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Topic: Most overrated albums
Posted By: King Winter
Subject: Most overrated albums
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 04:12
Here are some albums that I find to be overrated :
1. VDGG - Godbluff
4 Good songs, but not even one of them compares to the fantastic epics on Pawn Hearts. And generally I think that in this album the lost their crazy\experimental\avant-grade direction, and that's too bad.
2. Caravan - In The Land Of Grey And Pink
Classic case of one good epic of 20-25, and some othe nice songs. "If I Could Do..." is their real masterpiece for me.
3. Rush - Moving Pictures
Side A is very strong, Side B less. But as a complete product It really doesn't compare to the big classics of Yes, King Crimson, Genesis...
4. Camel - Moonmadness
I can't see how come this album is rated higher the The Snow Goose.
So, name the albums you consider to be overrated...
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Posted By: Falx
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 04:21
I have to disagree, Godbluff is by far my favourite VDGG album. They lose the craziness sure, but replace it with deep, meaningful lyrics - something that had been lacking from their earlier albums. I do like Pawn Hearts too.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 04:59
Close to the Edge. really a good album, and I would give it four stars anytime, but by far not the epitome of prog that it is always depicted as. "Relayer" is a much better album. the same is true for "In the Court of the Crimson King". yes, yes, a good album, but a far better one was to come, which is "Lizard". actually I believe that many people who give it 5 stars don't like the final 10 minutes of "Moonchild" at all, and they make up about 25% of the album, so how these people who don't like it can give the album 5 stars is beyond me. I like "Moonchild", by the way, but "Epitaph" is a bit soggy, so the album only gets 4 stars from me. "Lizard", on the other hand, is very underrated
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 05:16
In The Court Of The Crimson King.
Yes, an important album but it's not even King Crimson's best (that's Red) or second best (that's Lark's Tongue In Aspic).
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 05:25
1. I'd rather say that Pawn Hearts is somewhat overrated. At least I don't understand the doting upon this album, which consists of one solid prog track, one masterpiece track and a from a musical point of view rather disjointed epic in which good and poor passages alternate. It is a good album, but this band has created at least three albums that are far better. One of these albums is Godbluff.
2. I think that Grey and Pink is not overrated. I won't debate which of Caravan's albums is their real masterpiece, but they have made some excellent albums during ther first half of the 70's.
3. Moving Pictures is imho not overrated. Side A is very strong indeed and the first two tracks on side B are even better!
4. Moonmadness deserves its rating, but The Snow Goose is the best of these two albums.
I think that Ommadawn on the top of the Xover list is overrated: its 4.40 average is too low for side A, which is a masterpiece indeed, but the major part of side B (before the horse song) causes severe earaches, even when it is not played loudly.
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Posted By: King Winter
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 05:34
That's true, In The Court is more influential than "Masterpiece"...
Most interesting albums from KC are in the 72-74 period.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 05:45
Looking at the top 10, I'd say:
Selling England by the Pound - two brilliant songs, the rest is pretty average Genesis stuff.
Close to the Edge - great album, but nowhere near as great as Relayer.
Dark Side of the Moon - one of the least interesting Floyd albums. The production is flawless (even a bit too flawless), but The Great Gig in the Sky is the only song on the album that shows some originality.
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 05:58
Pink Floyd The Wall. I only like a couple of songs. Agree with some Camel masterpiece (snowgoose and moonmadness), too soft for me. Same i could say with Wish You were here.Le Orme Felona again for the same reason.
And for other reasons :
All the Ayeron stuff! Frank Zappa Hot Rats Gong Magma
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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 06:37
Vompatti wrote:
Looking at the top 10, I'd say:
Selling England by the Pound - two brilliant songs, the rest is pretty average Genesis stuff.
Close to the Edge - great album, but nowhere near as great as Relayer.
Dark Side of the Moon - one of the least interesting Floyd albums. The production is flawless (even a bit too flawless), but The Great Gig in the Sky is the only song on the album that shows some originality.
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Right on the money. I enjoy all of these, but Dark Side in particular feels more poppy than other Floyd albums. I didn't even like it when I first heard it.
This may get me in hot water, but I also think Tales From Topographic Oceans is overrated. It's an awesome concept, but I can't even listen to The Remembering and The Ancients. As much as I like yes those two tracks just do nothing for me.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 07:44
I have to agree about Moving Pictures. I know it's highly rated amongst Rush fans (of which I am one) but I wouldn't even rate it in their top 5.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 07:57
I'm not keen on the 'The Land of Grey and Pink' either. It's ok, but I cant really see what the fuss is about.
I have to disagree about Moving Pictures. It remains my favourite Rush album.
I think Moonmadness is the best album Camel ever made.
For me, Brain Salad Surgery by ELP, and Relayer by Yes, dont catch my ear, like I feel they should, considering the adoration they get.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 07:58
Good old 'overrated' eh?
Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 08:09
Blacksword wrote:
I have to disagree about Moving Pictures. It remains my favourite Rush album.
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I knew you'd say that. It's my favourite Rush album, apart from Fly By Night, Caress of Steel, 2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres and Permanent Waves.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 08:11
Jim Garten wrote:
Good old 'overrated' eh?
Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong. |
So true.
I am right about Moving Pictures though.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 08:21
Jim Garten wrote:
Good old 'overrated' eh?
Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong. |
True! I never actually understood how great this overrated-concept really is until now.
For me its Wish You Were Here and Animals. Yawn.
yanch wrote:
This may
get me in hot water, but I also think Tales From Topographic Oceans is
overrated. It's an awesome concept, but I can't even listen to The
Remembering and The Ancients. As much as I like yes those two tracks
just do nothing for me. |
An album ridiculed for about 27 years, and featured in the top ten of every "worst album in the world... ever" lists ever made, overrated?
I feel like I'm one of millions of people not liking it.
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 08:57
Funny thread. Makes me more tolerant about other people's opinion. So I'll side with Jim Garten, because he's bloody right.
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Posted By: deafmoon
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 09:01
Bruce Springsteen and The E Street Band.
Yes, I know they are not Prog ...but let me capsulize this phenoma that continues to leave me scratching my head 40 years later.
BS and E Street Band unsubstantially took New Jersey bar band waste to the national, and ultimately world stage. If I never heard another song about 'life on the boulevard' again, I would consider myself blessed to the fullest by God Almighty.
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Posted By: pots555
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 09:32
In the Court of King Crimson was a bit of a letdown for me. Maybe I was expecting to much. I didn't think it was that inspiring. On the other hand, Selling England By the Pound is a masterpiece in my mind.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 09:44
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 09:57
Jim Garten wrote:
Good old 'overrated' eh?
Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong. |
After 6 years...yes, six years!! of picking people up on the old overated malarkey, I have no fight left in me, and simply join in. No one would listen to word I say anyway. At least I can say anything, without fear of any retribution...
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:07
Michael Jackson - Thriller
Prince - Purple Rain
Madonna - Like A Virgin
Janet Jackson - ?
Britney Spears - Oops I Did It Again and whatever else
Lady Gaga
Whitney Houston - whatever
Celine Dion - see Whitney Houston
Mariah Carey - see Celine Dion
i.e. it is pretty damn hard for a prog album to be considered overrated given they aren't even a blip amongst the conciousness of most of the living world.
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:09
True that Godbluff isn't the best VDGG album like some people say, but it's still a masterpiece. Not as much experimentation, but it has VDGG's tightest and most mature compositions in their career.
Now for the most overrated Prog album, I have two words: Misplaced Childhood. 
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Posted By: Pimpernal
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:18
UndercoverBoy wrote:
Now for the most overrated Prog album, I have two words: Misplaced Childhood.  |
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:21
Blacksword wrote:
After 6 years...yes, six years!! of picking people up on the old overated malarkey, I have no fight left in me, and simply join in. No one would listen to word I say anyway. At least I can say anything, without fear of any retribution...
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Nobody is above retribution...
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Posted By: apps79
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:21
I think LE ORME's ''Felona e sorona'' is way too overrated...Great concept,but musically speaking the previous two works of the band were a lot better.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:26
psarros wrote:
I think LE ORME's ''Felona e sorona'' is way too overrated...Great concept,but musically speaking the previous two works of the band were a lot better. | Felona e sorona is still a great album by itself-i could never see it as over-rated
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:32
Jim Garten wrote:
Good old 'overrated' eh?
Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong. |
I thought I'd check other people's comments before I'd type off on the subject and I can't put it any better than that. The whole point of this site for me is to explore strange new worlds of music, new civilizations of music, to boldly check out new forms of progressive music that few have before. Some artists do attract a lot of attention around here because a lot of us know them very well and appreciate their work. Concern yourself less with the rating and more with quality of the content.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:40
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:44
Jim Garten wrote:
Good old 'overrated' eh?
Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong.
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So what if this is what overrated means? Shouldn't we have a word for it and be able to discuss the concept? It sure is less cumbersome than titling a thread "Most Albums I Don't Like As Much As Other People Do."
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 11:05
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 11:22
Jim Garten (again) wrote:
Well, you see for me, 'Animals' is vastly under-rated; ie an album I really like, yet so many others don't... ergo (and again) I'm right & they're wrong
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 11:29
In the Court is revered for being the first true prog album, but 40 years on, it's pretty poor, Epitaph and the title track excepted.
The Wall isn't great, Godbluff leaves me cold (like all VDGG) and I completely fail to see why anything by PFM or Banco is so revered - their albums are 3* at best. Script is a bit overrated; I prefer Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws (but why didn't Script have Market Square Heroes on it??)
Moonmadness isn't as quite as good as The Snow Goose but that's like saying Rafael Nadal isn't quite as good as Roger Federer; it's still brilliant. ITLOGAP in my favourite Caravan album and nearly merits 5*.
But the album that gets my vote as most overrated is Harmonium's Si On Avait............etc. It's pleasant enough but never a masterpiece in a million years.
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Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 11:52
Vompatti wrote:
Looking at the top 10, I'd say:
Selling England by the Pound - two brilliant songs, the rest is pretty average Genesis stuff.
Close to the Edge - great album, but nowhere near as great as Relayer.
Dark Side of the Moon - one of the least interesting Floyd albums. The production is flawless (even a bit too flawless), but The Great Gig in the Sky is the only song on the album that shows some originality.
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All of what he said but Dark Side of the Moon that album was extraordinary for its time and hell got me into pink floyd which got me into prog and thats the case for many and should get some respect as good "Gateway prog"
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:09
The entire catalogue of Depeche Mode. They're good band band but not that good.
As for prog album, I won't even start naming them.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:15
I agree with numbers 2 and 3 of the OP, and would like to add First and Volume 2 of The Soft Machine, any Yes albums after Howe left, Tarkus (only the title track is remotely worth bothering with!), Nursery Cryme, and... lots others I can't think of right now.
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:21
Thirteen albums http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&salbumtypes=1&syears=1973&scountries=&sminratings=0&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=54&y=0#list - are all great, but since they are rated higher than number fourteen, they qualify as overrated by definition, imho.
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Posted By: 00ubermensch
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:21
I agree that Hot Rats is not close to the best Zappa album. I listened to it first because I heard it was the most accessible, and didn't like it. Then later I found Absolutely Free and Make a Jazz Noise Here and discovered his genius.
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:30
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
Thirteen albums http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&salbumtypes=1&syears=1973&scountries=&sminratings=0&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=54&y=0#list - are all great, but since they are rated higher than number fourteen, they qualify as overrated by definition, imho.  |
Ditto for the nineteen listed before number twenty one, excluding number fourteen of course.
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Posted By: progfannick1991
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:32
I'm going to say "Selling England by the Pound" by Genesis. Great album, don't get me wrong, but it does not deserve to be the highest rated of all time on prograchives...
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:57
Hercules wrote:
In the Court is revered for being the first true prog album, but 40 years on, it's pretty poor, Epitaph and the title track excepted.
The Wall isn't great, Godbluff leaves me cold (like all VDGG) and I completely fail to see why anything by PFM or Banco is so revered - their albums are 3* at best. Script is a bit overrated; I prefer Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws (but why didn't Script have Market Square Heroes on it??)
Moonmadness isn't as quite as good as The Snow Goose but that's like saying Rafael Nadal isn't quite as good as Roger Federer; it's still brilliant. ITLOGAP in my favourite Caravan album and nearly merits 5*.
But the album that gets my vote as most overrated is Harmonium's Si On Avait............etc. It's pleasant enough but never a masterpiece in a million years.
| but "In the Court of the Crimson King" is not really the first true prog album, at least definitely not in the way "this is the album that started it all", as some people claim. had there been no "In the Copurt of the Crimson King" prog would have started nevertheless at the same time; many bands were already doing similar things. the German prog scene goes back to 1967, but German bands had an inferiority complex and did not dare to publish an album. had it not been for Amon Düül's "Psychedelic Underground" Krautrock might never have happened, but after that album no band needed to have an ifneriority complex; they could certainly not be worse than that. as to "Epitaph": in my opinion the worst track on "In the Court of the Crimson King"
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 13:02
Pimpernal wrote:
UndercoverBoy wrote:
Now for the most overrated Prog album, I have two words: Misplaced Childhood.  |
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It is overrated in the prog community no doubt, but it's not really not that progressive. In my opinion it's underrated as a rock album, but then again what do I know?
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 13:05
EVen as a straightforward Pop album it's still boring.
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 13:07
rushfan4 wrote:
i.e. it is pretty damn hard for a prog album to be considered overrated given they aren't even a blip amongst the conciousness of most of the living world. | I'm pretty sure he means overrated as in overrated on this site.
With that said...
Everything by Led Zeppelin Everything by Genesis that doesn't involve Peter Gabriel (and Selling England by the Pound) Some Stuff by Pink Floyd (mainly Wish You Were Here and the Wall) Everything by Porcupine Tree Some Stuff by Dream Theater (but Train of Thought is actually underrated) Everything by Kraftwerk
EDIT: Oh yeah, and everything neo-prog.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 13:10
A pointless thread really. Just looking at this page, I love Misplaced Childhood, most of Led Zep, virtually all of Genesis of whatever era, all of Floyd, most of PT, and some DT. Just because I do, does not make them over rated - it just means I enjoy them more than other members.
For example, I think PT's new album is awful, and really cannot appreciate it at all, but it doesn't mean that it is over rated in my opinion - it's just that others enjoy it more than I do.
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 13:19
Speaking of overrated: Opeth 
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 13:19
lazland wrote:
A pointless thread really. Just looking at this page, I love Misplaced Childhood, most of Led Zep, virtually all of Genesis of whatever era, all of Floyd, most of PT, and some DT. Just because I do, does not make them over rated - it just means I enjoy them more than other members.
For example, I think PT's new album is awful, and really cannot appreciate it at all, but it doesn't mean that it is over rated in my opinion - it's just that others enjoy it more than I do.
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I don't think you get it...by overrated we mean what WE think is overrated. If everyone was to agree that some album is overrated, it wouldn't be overrated anymore now would it?
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 13:26
CinemaZebra wrote:
lazland wrote:
A pointless thread really. Just looking at this page, I love Misplaced Childhood, most of Led Zep, virtually all of Genesis of whatever era, all of Floyd, most of PT, and some DT. Just because I do, does not make them over rated - it just means I enjoy them more than other members.
For example, I think PT's new album is awful, and really cannot appreciate it at all, but it doesn't mean that it is over rated in my opinion - it's just that others enjoy it more than I do.
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I don't think you get it...by overrated we mean what WE think is overrated. If everyone was to agree that some album is overrated, it wouldn't be overrated anymore now would it?
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I think I do actually - dictionary definition of overrated:
to rate, assess, or estimate too highly
So, if an album is rated, on average, 4.52 (i.e. an indispensable album on PA by the ratings), and you think it is a 3.0 album, i.e. merely good, then some posters automatically call that album overrated. It isn't - it's just that you don't rate it as highly.
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 13:36
lazland wrote:
CinemaZebra wrote:
lazland wrote:
A pointless thread really. Just looking at this page, I love Misplaced Childhood, most of Led Zep, virtually all of Genesis of whatever era, all of Floyd, most of PT, and some DT. Just because I do, does not make them over rated - it just means I enjoy them more than other members.
For example, I think PT's new album is awful, and really cannot appreciate it at all, but it doesn't mean that it is over rated in my opinion - it's just that others enjoy it more than I do.
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I don't think you get it...by overrated we mean what WE think is overrated. If everyone was to agree that some album is overrated, it wouldn't be overrated anymore now would it?
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I think I do actually - dictionary definition of overrated:
to rate, assess, or estimate too highly
So, if an album is rated, on average, 4.52 (i.e. an indispensable album on PA by the ratings), and you think it is a 3.0 album, i.e. merely good, then some posters automatically call that album overrated. It isn't - it's just that you don't rate it as highly.
| That doesn't make sense though. If what you say it's true, the concept of overrating something is impossible, because it reverses itself. It's OUR opinion. We're simply stating what WE think is overrated. There's nothing wrong with that. But if you want, you can pretend the thread title is "Albums You Think Are Overrated" instead of "Most overrated albums". Either way, it won't change the content of the posts.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 13:39
CinemaZebra wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
i.e. it is pretty damn hard for a prog album to be considered overrated given they aren't even a blip amongst the conciousness of most of the living world. | I'm pretty sure he means overrated as in overrated on this site.
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I suspect that you are right, but since he never mentioned the word prog or on a prog site in his original post or title, I took liberty with that. And if I've posted it once, I've posted it 1000 I hate the word overrated and I pretty much find everyone who uses it to be pathetically overrated.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 13:48
I really understand why people get so violently upset about the word overrated. It's a shorthand way of saying that you don't like something that is popular with others. Why not have a word for that? It saves time.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 13:55
It is a word that is commonly used by trolls. And it is one of them there fighting words.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 13:57
Fighting words are /wiki/Writing - written or /wiki/Speech - spoken words , generally expressed to incite /wiki/Hatred - hatred or /wiki/Violence - violence from their target. .
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 14:03
WHOA WHOA...I don't think there's going to be hatred and violence on THIS thread over some disagreements and difference of opinions.
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Posted By: King Winter
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 14:16
Wow, look I made some troubles here ...
Anyway, I named some albums "overrated" because I consider myself consensus. I usually appriciate things that pepole usually like (I like very much all albums in the top 10 on this site, for example). So, when I hear a an everyone-likes-it album, and I don't find it that good, It's weird to me. I guess I use the word "overrated" just to explain myself how come I don't like that much an album that most of the proggers does like very much (I don't expect to be in consensus with people who listen to "regular" music)...
The purpose of this thread was to find out if there are people who agree with me, and what other classics\masterpieces pepople love to hate...
Talking with pepole who feels the same enthusiasm as you about song/album/band is a great thing to me, and I think that this is the main purpose of music : connecting people ... But, as I read more and more opinions, I understand that many times I can't have this connection, and that's o.k... because like I have my own special taste, everyone has it's own spaecial taste which is differenet than mine. And if everyone would have the same taste. the discussions in PA would have been very boring!
So, thanks everyone who took part in this thread, I learned from you all guys, and I hope I'll have other productive discussions here  ...
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 14:16
Who cares if something is overrated.
I feel much more for the many many gems here that don't get an inch of the attention they deserve!
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 14:20
Jim Garten wrote:
Good old 'overrated' eh?
Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong. |
Yes. Exactly.
And I must second the inclusion of The Wall. Most of it is boring. Sure, there are a few good songs, but not even enough to make an album side. And hadn't Roger Waters milked the Syd Barrett story to death by then?
Genesis, on the other hand, I don't particularly like, but I can appreciate the artistry of the albums.
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Posted By: Jinura
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 15:33
Fragile, as much as I like Yes. This seems like a pretty average album.. Well not average but not what people make it up to be.. Anyways I prefer The Yes Album to this.
In the Court of the Crimson King.. Haven't really listened to much King Crimson. Yes I know this was a very important album, but out of the five tracks, only two I "like" 21st Century Schizoid Man and the Title Track.
Brain Salad Surgery. Mainly because of Karn evil 9, can't remember the second half of the song, the first part was pretty awesome, but after that it sounded like to much of Keith Emerson pressing random buttoms
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 16:27
anything by Neil Young, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Eric Clapton or Bruce Cockburn, yawn. (i am already starting to fall asleep)
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 16:53
King Winter wrote:
Wow, look I made some troubles here ...
Anyway, I named some albums "overrated" because I consider myself consensus. I usually appriciate things that pepole usually like (I like very much all albums in the top 10 on this site, for example). So, when I hear a an everyone-likes-it album, and I don't find it that good, It's weird to me. I guess I use the word "overrated" just to explain myself how come I don't like that much an album that most of the proggers does like very much (I don't expect to be in consensus with people who listen to "regular" music)...
The purpose of this thread was to find out if there are people who agree with me, and what other classics\masterpieces pepople love to hate...
Talking with pepole who feels the same enthusiasm as you about song/album/band is a great thing to me, and I think that this is the main purpose of music : connecting people ... But, as I read more and more opinions, I understand that many times I can't have this connection, and that's o.k... because like I have my own special taste, everyone has it's own spaecial taste which is differenet than mine. And if everyone would have the same taste. the discussions in PA would have been very boring!
So, thanks everyone who took part in this thread, I learned from you all guys, and I hope I'll have other productive discussions here  ...
| Let us just say that "overrated" has just historically been a dirty word around PA. It basically is laden with negative innotations. Basically it says "my tastes are better than everyone else's", "you are an idiot for liking that garbage", "you have no business being on a prog site liking that stuff, you should only like Magma and their ilk", etc etc etc. Most posts in these threads end up being "I think that this classic album sucks." "Yes, me too". "Oh yeah, well i think this classic album sucks, and by the way your mama wears combat boots".
Maybe that was your intention, probably it wasn't, but just read this thread and see that is basically how it goes. I've learned long ago not to give a rat's ass about other people's opinions about what I like and what I don't like, and I couldn't give a rat's ass what other people's opinions are about my opinions. What irks me though is the negative way people go about it. I come here for happy entertainment, not negative Debby Downer entertainment. I am cool with the enthusiasm people have over bands that I don't necessarily like, but it does piss me off when people have nothing but negative things to say about bands or music that is on here. There is such a thing as bad prog, but my point of view some of the worst prog is still better than anything that you are going to hear on the radio today. Thus my post of overrated albums.
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Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 19:27
Some of the top 100 that I consider overrated are "Free Hand" by Gentle Giant...I personally prefer "The Power and the Glory" or "Octopus", which are rated significantly lower.
"In the Court of the Crimson King" I think is VASTLY overrated.
Although I love Rush, I always thought "Moving Pictures" as overrated 
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 20:31
Posted By: b4usleep
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 23:58
Harmonium - Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison
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My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 01:29
1.Dark Side Of The Moon
2.Selling England By The Pound
3.In A Glass House
4.Aqualung
5.In The Court Of The Crimson King
6.Tubular Bells
7.Hemispheres
8.Emerson,Lake and Palmer (debut)
9.Images and Words
10.Lateralus
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Posted By: kole
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 04:33
1. Dream Theater - I don't consider them progressive, they are technical metal, and that's it. 2. Porcupine Tree - Could be that I just don't get them, but I find them average at best. 3. Genesis' "Selling England by the Pound". I mean come on, #1 album on PA?
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Posted By: progman2010
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 06:06
These are mainly albums from my 15 fave bands but I consider these to be close to the weakest album these bands released in the 70s
Nursery Cryme
Dark side of the moon
Minstrel in the gallery
Mirage
Octopus
Going for the one
For girls who go plump in the night
In the court of the crimson king
Pawn hearts
A farewell to kings
Burn
Brain salad surgery
Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh
Zoot allures
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Posted By: Noak
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 07:56
Tool are not very good. I don't really care for Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Dream Theater or ELP either.
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Posted By: Camel666
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 08:16
Noak wrote:
Tool are not very good. I don't really care for Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Dream Theater or ELP either. |
 So why are you even here?!?
 Kiddin', kiddin'
I don't "like" The Lamb lies down on broadway. After years, I still can't understand what all the fuss is about.
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Posted By: Anirml
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 09:05
kole wrote:
1. Dream Theater - I don't consider them progressive, they are technical metal, and that's it. 2. Porcupine Tree - Could be that I just don't get them, but I find them average at best. 3. Genesis' "Selling England by the Pound". I mean come on, #1 album on PA?
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This and Relayer
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 09:13
King Winter wrote:
Here are some albums that I find to be overrated :
2. Caravan - In The Land Of Grey And Pink
3. Rush - Moving Pictures
4. Camel - Moonmadness
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None of them are overrated. Whether you are into prog or not, they are classic albums.
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 10:40
kole wrote:
1. Dream Theater - I don't consider them progressive, they are technical metal, and that's it.
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I don't see how they're not progressive.  Anyways, here's my list. 1. VDGG - H to He Who Am The Only One 2. Yes - Fragile 3. Genesis - Nursery Cryme (I absolutely love The Musical Box, but the rest is nothing special I find.)
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Posted By: b4usleep
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 10:56
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3. Genesis - Nursery Cryme (I absolutely love The Musical Box, but the rest is nothing special I find.) [/QUOTE]
At least you can easily like "Return of the Giant Hogweed" listen to it carefully
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My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 12:34
Posted By: Mladen_Serbia
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 14:17
The most overrated progressive rock album, in my opinion, is The Lamb lies down on Broadway. There's just way too much filler.
Some others:
Camel - Moonmadness Gentle giant - Power and the glory Gentle giant - Free hand Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer King Crimson - Red (slightly overrated) Yes - The Yes album (slightly overrated)
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 16:20
Mladen_Serbia wrote:
The most overrated progressive rock album, in my opinion, is The Lamb lies down on Broadway. There's just way too much filler.
Some others:
Camel - Moonmadness Gentle giant - Power and the glory Gentle giant - Free hand Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer King Crimson - Red (slightly overrated) Yes - The Yes album (slightly overrated)
| the ELP debut is their best album, and Gentle Giants Free Hand is their best, oh, well, to each his own
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Posted By: InClouds
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 16:48
kole wrote:
1. Dream Theater - I don't consider them progressive, they are technical metal, and that's it.
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Maybe if the only album you've listened to is Train of Thought. Otherwise, I have no idea how you would come to this conclusion.
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 16:50
InClouds wrote:
kole wrote:
1. Dream Theater - I don't consider them progressive, they are technical metal, and that's it.
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Maybe if the only album you've listened to is Train of Thought. Otherwise, I have no idea how you would come to this conclusion. |
Exactly this. If he's heard Images and Words or Scenes From A Memory before, he'd have to be a hater to say that.
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Posted By: kole
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 11:31
Hey, it's just my opinion. But well, what is progressive anyway? Everyone has its own definition of it.
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 11:41
Bonnek wrote:
Who cares if something is overrated.
I feel much more for the many many gems here that don't get an inch of the attention they deserve!
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Exactly! I'm going to that thread!
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:29
The Whirlwind was named by some as 2009's best album, I found it to be completely hollow and excruciatingly self-satisfied.
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Posted By: deafmoon
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 08:09
Rushfan4:
I cannot agree with you more!
Deafmoon
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Posted By: The Coastliner
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 11:51
I have never been able to understand why Selling England is the Genesis album that gets all the accolades. I have listened to it numerous times, and I love both "Dancing With the Moonlit Knight" and "Firth of Fifth", but the rest I still have a hard time getting into. Foxtrot is my favourite of theirs by far. I mean, it's not like that album is considered terrible by and large, but we're talking about relative popularity/rating here.
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 12:01
Close To The Edge... Very good music yes, but it feels sooo incomplete as an album..
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Posted By: jerryverrier
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 16:36
Dark Side of The Moon. The end of anything good by Pink Floyd
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Posted By: esky
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 14:16
rdtprog wrote:
Pink Floyd The Wall. I only like a couple of songs. Agree with some Camel masterpiece (snowgoose and moonmadness), too soft for me. Same i could say with Wish You were here.Le Orme Felona again for the same reason.
And for other reasons :
All the Ayeron stuff! Frank Zappa Hot Rats Gong Magma
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Agree with you on The Wall. Snowgoose is a little "soft", but Moonmadness remains as Camel's true masterpiece. I can get into Wish You Were Here more readily than Dark Side' due to its varied styles. And Le Orme's Felona Y Serona is as good as the group gets and well within my top 20.
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 00:03
Script for a Jester's Tear, Misplaced Childhood, and Clutching at Straws by Marillion. Godbluff by VDGG. Nursery Crime by Genesis.
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Posted By: Norman Kiddie
Date Posted: July 19 2010 at 10:16
I too feel Jim Garten has hit the nail on the head in this debate. No longer the youngest, I quite often pull out my favourite tracks throughout my prog collection and make my own samplers. I basically listen to what I like best. The music that makes my hair stand on end, gives me goose pimples. Therefore under or overrated doesn´t come into play. It´s what you love that matters. Your own personal world of music.
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Posted By: Ramma
Date Posted: July 21 2010 at 07:12
Porcupine Tree's Fear of a Blank Planet and Eloy's Oceans. Love both bands to death, but these 2 albums are amongst their poorest work in my opinion, not best
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 08:23
ELP's Brain Salad Surgery is blimmin' awful
------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 10:22
Posted By: XTChuck
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 16:32
Don't kill me..
The Wall - Pink Floyd
In Absentia - Porcupine Tree
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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 17:20
XTChuck wrote:
Don't kill me..
The Wall - Pink Floyd
In Absentia - Porcupine Tree
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In Abstentia is underrated as far as I'm concerned. Brilliant album. Best of SW.
Love The Wall as well, more so than most around here.
But I will decline to end your life at this juncture.
------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday
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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 17:24
Collage - Moonshine. I got it fairly recently but if has yet to reveal itself as the supposed great album that people claim.
------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday
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Posted By: lensag
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 08:30
Probably you didn´t gave them the time they need to breathe, just like a wine. I didn´t like Porcupine Tree or Opeth or Joy Division (just to say some of the bands i absolutely love now, even though i don´t like all the discography). They need to be discovered - for example the album that got me into Opeth was Damnation and for a lot of time I never really liked the rest of their albums, but that one got me into the band and made me wanna ear more.
I would give another chance, specially PT - try the sky moves sideways or stupid dream..
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 08:32
Overrated by whom?
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 08:51
Overrated would be giving something six stars when you can only give five.
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 09:38
I think the most overrated albums are "Dark Side of the Moon" & "The Wall". I much prefer "Animals" & "Wish you were here"
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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 09:54
We really do like to drag the corpses of old subjects from the ground and dust them down to show the children don't we? That said, it is a fun corpse isn't it?
Overrated albums...Hmmmm; Queensryche and Operation Mindcrime spings to mind but probably only because two of the guys in my band used to try and shovel it down my throat back when it was first released.
Context is everything in threads such as these. 
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- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 09:57
XTChuck wrote:
Don't kill me..
The Wall - Pink Floyd
In Absentia - Porcupine Tree
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How dare you!
Just get out!! It's all ruined! Ruined I tell you!!
------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 10:20
Everything is overrated......everything is mediocre.....how can anything be a 5?
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: September 18 2010 at 13:15
negative threads are over rated
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