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Textbook
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Topic: You're A Prog Addict When... (Serious Edition) Posted: May 11 2010 at 17:21 |
We've got that thread for jokes about being a super-nerdy/obsessive prog fan, but what about the real/non-joke symptoms, things that make you stop and wonder about yourself?
In myself I notice something kind of stupid that I keep doing anyway- if I'm listening to an album and something interrupts me or my attention wanders for some reason and I "miss" a bit, I will often restart the album, regardless of its length, from track one and begin all over again. I've tried not doing it and I've gotten irritable and distracted and ended up doing it anyway. In this way it can take absolute ages to get through one album.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: May 11 2010 at 17:31 |
I notice if I try to do homework while listening to prog I get get highly distracted and zone out, listening to the msuic
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Posted: May 11 2010 at 17:41 |
Hi,
I live far enough inside the visuals that music create for me, that it is hard for me not to be able to get back into it if there is an interruption.
As you get older this happens a lot less I am thinking, what with no kids to ask for help with their homework, or mom telling you again, that you are not studying for your test!
In general, music has been my wife, lover, teacher, manager, instructor, god, devil, religion and everything else that you can think of to the point where it doesn't matter.
I tend to rate how nice and how good things are by the amount of inner excitement and visuals it creates. And a lot of music has none at all, and I often think that someone just sat there in front of a piece of paper and plugged notes and figured that is called music! There is a lot of that around here in these prog circles I sometimes think! But I'm insulated inside my own art, so it sometimes is easy to say that.
In the end, music is music, just like art is art, and a book is a book. And how you work with it, is not as important as the end result of the interaction between you and that work.
It's all really simple really!
Edited by moshkito - May 11 2010 at 17:42
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Posted: May 11 2010 at 17:53 |
When you decline to buy a new album just because you notice that the band doesn't have a keyboard member in the band. It happened me several times a couple of years ago, I went in a record store, see the album of some new band I've heard randomly wherever, and check the credits on the back and saw that they didn't have a keyboard member, you know, that the keyboards were played by the producer or a guest player, and I didn't buy it... I thought "how this guys could possible make good prog just with drums, bass and guitars?" and to say the true, just few bands can possible be interesting without a key member like a keyboard player... at least in prog...
Now it doesn't happen that often, but I think is because my policy now is just to by albums of my favorite bands (all of them have a formal member keyboard player in there so... ) and the fact that I don't buy a physical album in six months or so...
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 11 2010 at 18:03 |
When you log everything in into a spreadsheet and then devise a rotation scheme so no albums get neglected. Granted I do include non prog in the scheme, but most of the music in my collection is prog. I used to spend way too much time in the morning trying to figure out what I wanted to load into my CD case. And since I've been collecting CDs since the mid '80's, I try to tilt the balance in favor of the newer titles. Right now I've been going through the newest 700 titles. Right now I have fourteen slots open in the case. I've down to 330 of the newest 700.
Here's what generated: Automatic Man Automatic Man 1976 Bowie, David Station to Station 1973 Burton, Gary Good Vibes 1969 Gabriel, Peter Long Walk Home Music From The Rabbit-Proof Fence 2002 Hackett, Steve Cured 1981 Marillion Script For A Jester's Tear (Remaster) 1983 Muffins, The Bandwidth 2002 Oldfield, Mike Tubular Bells 2003 2003 Oregon Moon and Mind 1979 Porcupine Tree Up the Downstair 1993 Prince Musicology 2004 Radiohead Ok Computer 1997 Rush A Farewell to Kings 1977 Sylvian, David Dead Bees On A Cake 1999
Edited by Slartibartfast - May 11 2010 at 18:17
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Falx
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Posted: May 11 2010 at 18:52 |
Textbook wrote:
In myself I notice something kind of stupid that I keep doing anyway- if I'm listening to an album and something interrupts me or my attention wanders for some reason and I "miss" a bit, I will often restart the album, regardless of its length, from track one and begin all over again. I've tried not doing it and I've gotten irritable and distracted and ended up doing it anyway. In this way it can take absolute ages to get through one album.
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That sounds more like Obsessive Compulsive Disorder than Prog Addiction, to me  =F=
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 01:06 |
Exactly what I was thinking.
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friso
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 05:51 |
I can understand the need to feel an album in it's completeness. A song, composition or epic has a structure and emotional development, but often good prog albums have that same development on a larger scale: the complete album has a sort of complete feel with a beginning and an end (like a sort of ritual).
Though I also believe music is the most enjoyable when listening to complete albums (perhaps as a ritual of some sort), I do think what the topic-starter has described sounds a bit like an obsession. This obsession however, becomes a disorder when it seriously harms the person and lowers the quality of life (in multiple ways). This important latter part has not been mentioned by Textbook. So there's still no reason to use the term Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.
On topic. The only good measure of acquiring information about how addicted some-one is to prog is the time he or she spends listening and/or thinking about it. I do spend very much time with my prog-hobby, but perhaps less then the average time other people spend watching tv (active/in-active). This re-frames the prog-addiction from an addiction to a higher quality of spare time usage. I think watching tv is way more destructive (especially these days).
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 06:08 |
I'm not addicted to prog (or any other music), I don't go through withdrawal symptoms if I stop listening to it. Music does improve my quality of life a lot: if I'm feeling depressed, or obsessing over something I'd rather forget, music can drown out the errant thoughts in my head. It's also a lot easier to wash dishes (or do other boring housework) with loud music playing in the background. As for the forums, I'm definitely addicted to those  =F=
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 09:14 |
I work on many progressive pieces and it would seem that this so called accusation of being nerdy has more to do with the effect the music has on a large sum of people. The gymnastics of it is quite sportsmen and incorporates breathing exercises and development of the upmost dexterity. Most people define gymnastics in prog with the pompous in the musician. The interesting aspect for me is the fact that the technical side to music was written centuries ago. Whether you are a singer songwriter or a basic rocker there will come a time where you will be required to play something technical. Paginini or whoever, it has all been written before. I am still a prog addict when it comes to collecting titles and I keep the hobby private. Any pressure from the negative side should not be entered into and if you can somehow adapt the attitude of a monk, content with rejection, then solitude becomes a must with your afternoons of prog.
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 09:23 |
Personally, I spend way too much money on CDs. I often buy CDs I know nothing about because they look cool, and have found some great music that way (a few duds as well.) But the act of collecting strange and unusual music sometimes supercedes the music itself.
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 10:43 |
Apparently i have some serious psychological issues like the rest of you.
Like Slartibarfast i do have a rotation so that each cd gets listened to on a semi-regular basis.Although my rotation includes only what i consider 4 and 5 stars albums. I also feel the need to listen all the way through a cd and not skip anything. Buying cds has been a problem although i've talked myself(yeah that's normal) into not seeking out that one cd that will change my life.  Honestly when is enough enough? I should enjoy what i have instead of always collecting and searching(talking to myself again). Do they have a Prog Anonymous? Or PA? Nevermind.
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 15:11 |
kingfriso wrote:
I can understand the need to feel an album in it's completeness. A song, composition or epic has a structure and emotional development, but often good prog albums have that same development on a larger scale: the complete album has a sort of complete feel with a beginning and an end (like a sort of ritual).
Though I also believe music is the most enjoyable when listening to complete albums (perhaps as a ritual of some sort), I do think what the topic-starter has described sounds a bit like an obsession. This obsession however, becomes a disorder when it seriously harms the person and lowers the quality of life (in multiple ways). This important latter part has not been mentioned by Textbook. So there's still no reason to use the term Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.
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this is very much what i feel, but it is more the sign of a musically intellinget person than specifically a prog fan. i have many non-prog albums that i wouln't be the same if the track order would change and the songs work much better in context with the album. an album is an piece of music, the tracks are sections in it.
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 15:16 |
[QUOTE=jampa17]
When you decline to buy a new album just because you notice that the band doesn't have a keyboard member in the band. It happened me several times a couple of years ago, I went in a record store, see the album of some new band I've heard randomly wherever, and check the credits on the back and saw that they didn't have a keyboard member, you know, that the keyboards were played by the producer or a guest player, and I didn't buy it... I thought "how this guys could possible make good prog just with drums, bass and guitars?" and to say the true, just few bands can possible be interesting without a key member like a keyboard player... at least in prog...
Now it doesn't happen that often, but I think is because my policy now is just to by albums of my favorite bands (all of them have a formal member keyboard player in there so... ) and the fact that I don't buy a physical album in six months or so... [/QUOTE
So you have'nt got any Rush albums, then?????
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 16:22 |
When you listen to prog so often that you are influencing your young children's tastes in music. Seriously. Over the last few weeks, my 2 1/2 year old daughter has referred to songs from the following albums as "nice music":
IQ: Tales from the Lush Attic, The Wake, Frequency Marillion: Marbles by the Sea Arena: The Visitor Magenta: Revolutions, Seven.
She has also referred to Yes's The Ladder as "happy music."
About half an hour ago, she asked me to put some music on. I put on Tales from the Lush Attic, and she was satisfied.
We win.
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 16:25 |
Oh, I almost forgot: she also likes Transatlantic's Live in Europe.
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lazland
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 17:40 |
rod65 wrote:
When you listen to prog so often that you are influencing your young children's tastes in music. Seriously. Over the last few weeks, my 2 1/2 year old daughter has referred to songs from the following albums as "nice music":
IQ: Tales from the Lush Attic, The Wake, Frequency Marillion: Marbles by the Sea Arena: The Visitor Magenta: Revolutions, Seven.
She has also referred to Yes's The Ladder as "happy music."
About half an hour ago, she asked me to put some music on. I put on Tales from the Lush Attic, and she was satisfied.
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Now THAT is one cool girl with great taste     In answer to the question, I do not think I am addicted to prog, I just have to listen to some every day
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StrangerByTheMinute
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 17:47 |
I almost never buy albums that don't have 10+ minute long songs.
Edited by StrangerByTheMinute - May 12 2010 at 17:47
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J-Man
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 17:48 |
I have the homework procrastination issue... While I'm doing homework I always have music on and progarchives open, both of which tend to distract me. I get good grades, but I usually hold things off to the last day or two.
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 19:19 |
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