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    Posted: December 30 2008 at 04:57
Here's one that should've been on PA before Aviary, Queen, or Styx. Angel played a fast, hard driven symphonic rock.

Albums and samples are as follows:

Angel - 1975
http://www.amazon.com/Angel/dp/B000001DU7/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1230633889&sr=1-2

Helluva Band - 1976
http://www.amazon.com/Helluva-Band-Angel/dp/B000001DU8/ref=pd_sim_m_12

On Earth as it is in Heaven - 1977
http://cdbaby.com/cd/angelrocks

White Hot - 1977
http://www.amazon.com/White-Hot-Angel/dp/B000001DUA/ref=pd_sim_m_3

Sinful - 1979
http://www.amazon.com/Sinful-Angel/dp/B000BQU5A8/ref=pd_sim_m_1

In the Beginning - 2000

Angel's Official Website/MySpace
http://www.myspace.com/AngelOfficialSite

Angel Bio Part 1:
http://www.angelrocks.com/bio/index.html

Angel Bio Part 2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_(band)#Discography
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 06:01
Oh Punky!Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 11:10
Hi American Progster and welcome.
 
Sorry but I have to be honest in this case, even if it sounds harsh.
 
Angel is a Glam - Hard Rock band with IMHO absolutely no connection with Prog or even Prog Related, sounds like The Sweet meets Europe.
 
They don't have a chance in Symphonic and if I'm not wrong, not even in Prog Related.
 
Had to be absolutely honest.
 
Iván


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 11:20
I have to agree with Ivan here. Glam rock/ soft hard rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 13:12
Then no offense, but you guys need to actually listen to some of their stuff, particularly their first and second albums. Sure they played hard rock but to say that there is no prog in it is just plain ignorant.


P.S. What is Soft Hard Rock?LOL 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 13:18
"Hi American Progster and welcome.
 
Sorry but I have to be honest in this case, even if it sounds harsh.
 
Angel is a Glam - Hard Rock band with IMHO absolutely no connection with Prog or even Prog Related, sounds like The Sweet meets Europe.
 
They don't have a chance in Symphonic and if I'm not wrong, not even in Prog Related.
 
Had to be absolutely honest.
 
Iván"

So the extensive use of the Moog and Mellotron (the same way that other symphonic bands, who will remain nameless, use them) plus the odd time signatures means absolutely nothing? Look I'm not saying they're the most complex US prog band, they're far from it, but they DID play prog. Even if its a small amount of prog, then according to PA's own definitions of Prog Related or Crossover, its still enough to include bands such as Angel who often incorporated prog rock into their music.

In Angel's defense listen to the following songs:

The Tower
Long Time
Mariner
Sunday Morning
The Fortune
Cast the First Stone
Just a Dream

Just to name a few of their proggiest tracks.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 13:20

I'm only familiar with some Greg Giuffria solo and House of Lords, but here is a link to Wikipedia entry for Angel, and lo and behold progressive rock is listed as one of their genres along with glam rock and hard rock.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_(band)   As always, I realize that a definition from another site means little to most here at PA and absolutely nothing to Ivan, but I just found it interesting that elsewhere does mention progressive rock as one of their genres.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:08
Well, at least it seems quite clear that Symphonic is permanently out of the question for these guys *chuckles*

Haven't listened to the band in ages myself, so can't really say anything about how worthy or not they are. If someone from Crossover would like to take a listen, PM me if you need samples.
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http://www.progressor.net
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:17
Oh I know, but they did incorporate symphonic sounds in their music and wasn't sure if I should've mentioned that so I did just to cover all my bases. But definitely should be classified as Crossover because of those symphonic tendencies.

In my opinion Angel's music cannot be so easily classified as just "glam" or just "hard rock" unless you purposely ignore the bulk of their material and just listen their more simple songs, which even those still have certain complexities that their peers (such as The Sweet or Europe) wouldn't even dare go into.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:24
The Crossover team will be informed of your suggestion. However, there is no guarantee that they will be accepted. In fact, unlike some people seem to think here, Xover is considered a FULLY prog genre, and if the band don't qualify for inclusion there, the only other solution is to suggest inclusion in Prog-Related to the Admin Team.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:31
Thank you, I appreciate it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:12
Xover has been paged... and will take a looksie at it.  If it fits ...it's in... if not... we'll toss it in the wastecan of PA's or pass it to the team we feel it fits if it is not Xover.  (if symphonic... we won't bother Olav LOL)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:31
Originally posted by AmericanProgster AmericanProgster wrote:



So the extensive use of the Moog and Mellotron (the same way that other symphonic bands, who will remain nameless, use them) plus the odd time signatures means absolutely nothing? Look I'm not saying they're the most complex US prog band, they're far from it, but they DID play prog. Even if its a small amount of prog, then according to PA's own definitions of Prog Related or Crossover, its still enough to include bands such as Angel who often incorporated prog rock into their music.
 
The use of an instrument doesn't define agenre, Stevie Wonder used Mellotron also...It's the way the instrument is used.
 
I can't talk for Crossover, but IMO not remotely related with Prog, and don't consider the people who give their opinions here ignorants, it's a bit strong specially being a newbie.
 
reading the evolution of your posts it's obvious we are before a fan, first you say:
 
Quote Here's one that should've been on PA before Aviary, Queen, or Styx.
 
Quiestioning our knowledge of Prog, STYX made two or three full Prog albums, QUEEN also, not familiar with Aviary, but if they were added, a reason must exist.
 
Then you change your argument to:
 
Quote they DID play prog. Even if its a small amount of prog
 
The band that deserved to be here more than QUEEN or  STYX, is now a band that probably played (acciording to you) a small amount of Prog.
 
So please. Symphonic it isn't, i don't believe Prog or even Related to Related, butthat's not my call.
 
 

Originally posted by AmericanProgster AmericanProgster wrote:

In Angel's defense listen to the following songs:

The Tower
Long Time
Mariner
Sunday Morning
The Fortune
Cast the First Stone
Just a Dream

Just to name a few of their proggiest tracks.
 
I never give my opinion without having listened them Am,ericanProgster:
 
- The Twoper has only a nice Mellotron solo in the instrumental breakk, but the rest of the song is purely Rock.
 
- Long Time is a Power Ballad and nothing more, good track, IMO their best, but again not Prog
 
- Mariner is another simple ballad
 
- Sunday Morning is an AOR/Heavy Rock track with a good Moog section.
 
- The Fortune: Again an interesting instrumental break but nothing more
 
- Cast the Fitrst Stone: Pure Heavy Rock with distorted guitars and a touch of Arena Rock
 
- Just a Dream: Beside the pompous opening a la Europe witha  good piano, nothing remortelyuy related.
 
 
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I'm only familiar with some Greg Giuffria solo and House of Lords, but here is a link to Wikipedia entry for Angel, and lo and behold progressive rock is listed as one of their genres along with glam rock and hard rock.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_(band)   As always, I realize that a definition from another site means little to most here at PA and absolutely nothing to Ivan, but I just found it interesting that elsewhere does mention progressive rock as one of their genres.

 
Yes I do care for what some people say, but not in all cases for Wikipedia in which I don't have the slightest idea who wrote it, but which never says they are a prog band (Please read the article)
 
But I also case for their official Myspace site that describes them as Hard Rock, Classic Rock and Glam
 
Also verified the most open policy sites as
 
  1. Proggnosis, who says"Formed in the early 70-s as a progressive glam rock band. In the 80-s they became a more melodic rock band" I never heard of a Progressive Glam band and there's not a single review of them.
  2. Also checked GEPR who doesn't mention them
  3. If this wasn't enough, also DPRP and again not mentioned
  4. Ended with Progressor who again doesn't mention them
  5. Used your link and it sends me to a blank page where I'm informed
 
Quote

Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Angel (band in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_(band)

But after a lot of search found:
 
Quote Angel are a glam rock and heavy metal band from Washington, DC, formed in the mid-70s by Punky Meadows and Mickie Jones. They were signed to Casablanca Records, and had the image of dressing in white.
 
 
As a fact the article itself makes no mentioon of them being Prog, except for a comment made about Zappa
 
Quote Frank Zappa ridiculed the all-male band’s female appearance in the song “Punky’s Whips
 
And of course the fact that they:
 
Quote They made an appearance in the film Foxes and Frank DiMino sang “Seduce Me Tonight” on the Flashdance soundtrack.
 
Which is not very Prog to say the least.
 
So please, don't say i don't care for what others say.
 
Thanks
 
Iván 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:36

I'm not sure why the link didn't work.  This is the info as copied from Wikipedia.

 

Angel (band)

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Angel
Origin Washington, D.C., United States
Genre(s) Glam rock
Progressive rock
Heavy metal
Years active 1975-1981, 1987, 1998-present
Label(s) Casablanca, Coallier Entertainment
Associated acts The English Settlers, The Cherry People, Dry Ice, BUX
Website Official Angel MySpace site
Members
Frank Dimino
Barry Brandt
Randy Gregg
Steve Blaze
Michael T. Ross
Former members
Punky Meadows
Mickie Jones
Gregg Giuffria
Felix Robinson

Angel are a glam rock and heavy metal band from Washington, DC, formed in the mid-70s by Punky Meadows and Mickie Jones. They were signed to Casablanca Records, and had the image of dressing in white.

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Angel were discovered by KISS bass player Gene Simmons performing at a nightclub and were signed to Kiss’s record label Casablanca[1].

Angel's image of dressing in all white was a deliberate contrast to Kiss, who wore black. Angel sported an androgynous image and elaborate stage sets. They were slammed by rock critics, and Frank Zappa ridiculed the all-male band’s female appearance in the song “Punky’s Whips.” [2] Angel never achieved mass commercial success but acquired a following as a cult band.

Their first album was the self-titled Angel and consisted of the lineup of guitarist Punky Meadows, bassist Mickie Jones, vocalist Frank Dimino, keyboardist Gregg Giuffria, and drummer Barry Brandt[3]. This lineup would hold for the following two albums, Helluva Band and On Earth As It Is In Heaven, after which Jones would be replaced with Felix Robinson.

They made an appearance in the film Foxes and Frank DiMino sang “Seduce Me Tonight” on the Flashdance soundtrack.

Although Angel never officially disbanded, members went on to other things following the release of their live album. Lead vocalist Frank Dimino joined UFO guitarist Paul Raymond in the Paul Raymond Project in which he sang lead vocals. Bassist Felix Robinson played on the debut album of the band White Lion, Fight to Survive. Angel’s keyboardist Gregg Giuffria had modest success as the leader of the band Giuffria during the 1980s, along with the band House of Lords. The rest of the band (sans Giuffria) reunited in 2002 and released a new album The Power And The Myth on Frontiers Records. In 2006, Giuffira appeared as a guest keyboardist on World Upside Down. House of Lords released Come to My Kingdom in 2008, again without Giuffria.

In the late ’90s, Angel reformed with a new line-up. Keyboardist Gordon G.G. Gebert joined the band in 1999 and left in 2002. Currently, the band members are Frank Dimino, vocals; Barry Brandt, drums; Randy Gregg, bass; Steve Blaze, guitars; and Michael T. Ross, keyboards[4]. The band’s 2000 release In the Beginning also features guest appearances by original guitarist Punky Meadows, as well as Robinson. In 2000 came the release of Angel: The Collection, making it the most extensive Angel greatest hits compilation including 16 songs.

In 2006 Lilith released two singles albums which has singles released through the band’s career (1975-1981), and even though it has most singles released at that time it does not include “Better Days” which was taken off the White Hot album and replaced with “The Winter Song.” This song remain unreleased on CD or cassette format. It is however available as a 7" single but is very hard to find. Angel is now working on a new album, which so far has no name, but there has been a total of three written songs and they are: “Worship the Sun,” “Hold On To Your Dreams,” and the third song does not currently have a title. The fourth song is “Even Now,” but it is not certain whether this is the third untitled song, a new fourth song, or just an unreleased track.

For better or for worse, Angel was quite influential in their own way—particularly on the glam metal boom of the 1980s—and represent a kind of missing link between keyboard-driven hard rock bands of the ’70s such as Uriah Heep and ’80s acts like Poison.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:39
Thanks for pyublishing Rushfan, I had already corrected my post...But again, the article itself says nothing of them being Prog, read my previous post.
 
Iván
 
BTW: I insist, your link DOESN'T WORK, keeps sending me to a blank page, I had to search...But the important issue is that the articcle werote by God knows who, doesn'tr say they played Prog, only a mention in the tag.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:44
I think HeavyProg may have looked at them and decided against based on the vast majority of their work..  but that first album has Prog written all over it and is quite good.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:45
Again it falls under for whatever it is worth, but here is a link to the AllMusicGuide review of their debut album.  http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:wbfrxq95ldde
 
Noted the following: "But from the opening notes of "Tower," there's a curious admixture of progressive rock, almost entirely due to Gregg Giuffria's contributions of harpsichords, piano, and Mellotrons."
 
I haven't heard them, and it doesn't make them a prog band, but at least one other person out there makes a connection between the band and Prog Rock.
 
Also, from the Wikipedia article "

"For better or for worse, Angel was quite influential in their own way—particularly on the glam metal boom of the 1980s—and represent a kind of missing link between keyboard-driven hard rock bands of the ’70s such as Uriah Heep and ’80s acts like Poison."  

I know that you, Ivan, may be the biggest Uriah Heep fan on PA, so there is something to be said with this quote.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:52
Before your display of power and fury, please anser me:
 
1.- Does your link work?
 
Was it nevcessary to post the whole page?
 
2.- It sauys it's the link between URIAHH HEEP and POISON...Doesn'tt say Ptrogressive Rock, as a fact for many people Uriah heep iis just a Hard Rock band
 
I heard them so i can't talk, I don't see the connection between Uriah Heep and Angel but yes with Poison.
 
3.- Does the article say they are a Progressive Rock band?
 
BTW: Would you trust in a person who does a comparison between Uriah heep and Poison.
 
Again as i saidbefore, if you don't like me giving oinions or have a problem with me...tell me directly, but don't invent things as:
 
"As always, I realize that a definition from another site means little to most here at PA and absolutely nothing to Ivan·,
 
Being a monitor doesn't give you the faculty to invent.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:55
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Thanks for pyublishing Rushfan, I had already corrected my post...But again, the article itself says nothing of them being Prog, read my previous post.
 
Iván
 
BTW: I insist, your link DOESN'T WORK, keeps sending me to a blank page, I had to search...But the important issue is that the articcle werote by God knows who, doesn'tr say they played Prog, only a mention in the tag.
 
Hi Ivan,  The link isn't working for me either.  I'm not sure why????  That is why I copied the article.  I also agree that since it is from Wikipedia that it doesn't carry much weight, I just felt it was interesting that they did assign progressive rock as one of the band's genres.  No skin off of my back either way.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2008 at 17:01
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

 
Hi Ivan,  The link isn't working for me either.  I'm not sure why???? 
 
 
 
The your explosion of rage publishing the whole article and insinuating I was lying was unnecessary, so please next time verify before,
 
I said the link doesn't work and now you admit the link doesn't work.
 
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