Angel (US Symphonic/Crossover)
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Topic: Angel (US Symphonic/Crossover)
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Subject: Angel (US Symphonic/Crossover)
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 04:57
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Here's one that should've been on PA before Aviary, Queen, or Styx. Angel played a fast, hard driven symphonic rock. Albums and samples are as follows: Angel - 1975 http://www.amazon.com/Angel/dp/B000001DU7/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1230633889&sr=1-2 - http://www.amazon.com/Angel/dp/B000001DU7/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1230633889&sr=1-2 Helluva Band - 1976 http://www.amazon.com/Helluva-Band-Angel/dp/B000001DU8/ref=pd_sim_m_12 - http://www.amazon.com/Helluva-Band-Angel/dp/B000001DU8/ref=pd_sim_m_12 On Earth as it is in Heaven - 1977 http://cdbaby.com/cd/angelrocks - http://cdbaby.com/cd/angelrocks White Hot - 1977 http://www.amazon.com/White-Hot-Angel/dp/B000001DUA/ref=pd_sim_m_3 - http://www.amazon.com/White-Hot-Angel/dp/B000001DUA/ref=pd_sim_m_3 Sinful - 1979 http://www.amazon.com/Sinful-Angel/dp/B000BQU5A8/ref=pd_sim_m_1 - http://www.amazon.com/Sinful-Angel/dp/B000BQU5A8/ref=pd_sim_m_1 In the Beginning - 2000 Angel's Official Website/MySpace http://www.myspace.com/AngelOfficialSite - http://www.myspace.com/AngelOfficialSite Angel Bio Part 1: http://www.angelrocks.com/bio/index.html - http://www.angelrocks.com/bio/index.html Angel Bio Part 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_%28band%29#Discography%20 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_(band)#Discography |
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 06:01
Oh Punky!
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 11:10
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Hi American Progster and welcome.
Sorry but I have to be honest in this case, even if it sounds harsh.
Angel is a Glam - Hard Rock band with IMHO absolutely no connection with Prog or even Prog Related, sounds like The Sweet meets Europe.
They don't have a chance in Symphonic and if I'm not wrong, not even in Prog Related.
Had to be absolutely honest.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 11:20
| I have to agree with Ivan here. Glam rock/ soft hard rock. |
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 13:12
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Then no offense, but you guys need to actually listen to some of their stuff, particularly their first and second albums. Sure they played hard rock but to say that there is no prog in it is just plain ignorant. P.S. What is Soft Hard Rock? 
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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 13:18
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"Hi American Progster and welcome.
Sorry but I have to be honest in this case, even if it sounds harsh.
Angel is a Glam - Hard Rock band with IMHO absolutely no
connection with Prog or even Prog Related, sounds like The Sweet meets
Europe.
They don't have a chance in Symphonic and if I'm not wrong, not even in Prog Related.
Had to be absolutely honest.
Iván"
So the extensive use of the Moog and Mellotron (the same way that other symphonic bands, who will remain nameless, use them) plus the odd time signatures means absolutely nothing? Look I'm not saying they're the most complex US prog band, they're far from it, but they DID play prog. Even if its a small amount of prog, then according to PA's own definitions of Prog Related or Crossover, its still enough to include bands such as Angel who often incorporated prog rock into their music. In Angel's defense listen to the following songs: The Tower Long Time Mariner Sunday Morning The Fortune Cast the First Stone Just a Dream Just to name a few of their proggiest tracks. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 13:20
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I'm only familiar with some Greg Giuffria solo and House of Lords, but here is a link to Wikipedia entry for Angel, and lo and behold progressive rock is listed as one of their genres along with glam rock and hard rock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_%28band - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_(band ) As always, I realize that a definition from another site means little to most here at PA and absolutely nothing to Ivan, but I just found it interesting that elsewhere does mention progressive rock as one of their genres. ------------- 
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:08
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Well, at least it seems quite clear that Symphonic is permanently out of the question for these guys *chuckles* Haven't listened to the band in ages myself, so can't really say anything about how worthy or not they are. If someone from Crossover would like to take a listen, PM me if you need samples. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:17
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Oh I know, but they did incorporate symphonic sounds in their music and wasn't sure if I should've mentioned that so I did just to cover all my bases. But definitely should be classified as Crossover because of those symphonic tendencies. In my opinion Angel's music cannot be so easily classified as just "glam" or just "hard rock" unless you purposely ignore the bulk of their material and just listen their more simple songs, which even those still have certain complexities that their peers (such as The Sweet or Europe) wouldn't even dare go into. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:24
| The Crossover team will be informed of your suggestion. However, there is no guarantee that they will be accepted. In fact, unlike some people seem to think here, Xover is considered a FULLY prog genre, and if the band don't qualify for inclusion there, the only other solution is to suggest inclusion in Prog-Related to the Admin Team. |
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:31
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Thank you, I appreciate it.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:12
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Xover has been paged... and will take a looksie at it. If it fits ...it's in... if not... we'll toss it in the wastecan of PA's or pass it to the team we feel it fits if it is not Xover. (if symphonic... we won't bother Olav )
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:31
The use of an instrument doesn't define agenre, Stevie Wonder used Mellotron also...It's the way the instrument is used.
I can't talk for Crossover, but IMO not remotely related with Prog, and don't consider the people who give their opinions here ignorants, it's a bit strong specially being a newbie.
reading the evolution of your posts it's obvious we are before a fan, first you say:
Quiestioning our knowledge of Prog, STYX made two or three full Prog albums, QUEEN also, not familiar with Aviary, but if they were added, a reason must exist.
Then you change your argument to:
The band that deserved to be here more than QUEEN or STYX, is now a band that probably played (acciording to you) a small amount of Prog.
So please. Symphonic it isn't, i don't believe Prog or even Related to Related, butthat's not my call.
I never give my opinion without having listened them Am,ericanProgster:
- The Twoper has only a nice Mellotron solo in the instrumental breakk, but the rest of the song is purely Rock.
- Long Time is a Power Ballad and nothing more, good track, IMO their best, but again not Prog
- Mariner is another simple ballad
- Sunday Morning is an AOR/Heavy Rock track with a good Moog section.
- The Fortune: Again an interesting instrumental break but nothing more
- Cast the Fitrst Stone: Pure Heavy Rock with distorted guitars and a touch of Arena Rock
- Just a Dream: Beside the pompous opening a la Europe witha good piano, nothing remortelyuy related.
Yes I do care for what some people say, but not in all cases for Wikipedia in which I don't have the slightest idea who wrote it, but which never says they are a prog band (Please read the article)
But I also case for their official Myspace site that describes them as Hard Rock, Classic Rock and Glam
Also verified the most open policy sites as
But after a lot of search found:
As a fact the article itself makes no mentioon of them being Prog, except for a comment made about Zappa
And of course the fact that they:
Which is not very Prog to say the least.
So please, don't say i don't care for what others say.
Thanks
Iván -------------
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AmericanProgster wrote:Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:36
I'm not sure why the link didn't work. This is the info as copied from Wikipedia.Angel (band)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Angel are a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glam_rock - Glam rock and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music - Heavy metal band from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_DC - Washington, DC , formed in the mid-70s by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punky_Meadows - Punky Meadows and Mickie Jones. They were signed to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casablanca_Records - Casablanca Records , and had the image of dressing in white.
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angel_%28band%29&action=edit§ion=1 - edit ] HistoryAngel were discovered by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_%28band%29 - KISS bass player http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Simmons - Gene Simmons performing at a nightclub and were signed to Kiss’s record label http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casablanca_Records - Casablanca http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_%28band%29#cite_note-0 - [1] . Angel's image of dressing in all white was a deliberate contrast to Kiss, who wore black. Angel sported an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynous - androgynous image and elaborate stage sets. They were slammed by rock critics, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa - Frank Zappa ridiculed the all-male band’s female appearance in the song “Punky’s Whips.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_%28band%29#cite_note-1 - [2] Angel never achieved mass commercial success but acquired a following as a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_band - cult band . Their first album was the self-titled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_%28album%29 - Angel and consisted of the lineup of guitarist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punky_Meadows - Punky Meadows , bassist Mickie Jones, vocalist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Dimino - Frank Dimino , keyboardist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Giuffria - Gregg Giuffria , and drummer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Brandt - Barry Brandt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_%28band%29#cite_note-2 - [3] . This lineup would hold for the following two albums, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helluva_Band - Helluva Band and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Earth_As_It_Is_In_Heaven - On Earth As It Is In Heaven , after which Jones would be replaced with http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Felix_Robinson&action=edit&redlink=1 - Felix Robinson . They made an appearance in the film http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxes_%281980_film%29 - Foxes and Frank DiMino sang “Seduce Me Tonight” on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flashdance - Flashdance soundtrack. Although Angel never officially disbanded, members went on to other things following the release of their live album. Lead vocalist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Dimino - Frank Dimino joined http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_%28band%29 - UFO guitarist Paul Raymond in the http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Raymond_Project&action=edit&redlink=1 - Paul Raymond Project in which he sang lead vocals. Bassist http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Felix_Robinson&action=edit&redlink=1 - Felix Robinson played on the debut album of the band White Lion, Fight to Survive. Angel’s keyboardist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Giuffria - Gregg Giuffria had modest success as the leader of the band http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuffria - Giuffria during the 1980s, along with the band http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords_%28band%29 - House of Lords . The rest of the band (sans Giuffria) reunited in 2002 and released a new album http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_And_The_Myth - The Power And The Myth on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontiers_Records - Frontiers Records . In 2006, Giuffira appeared as a guest keyboardist on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Upside_Down - World Upside Down . House of Lords released http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_to_My_Kingdom - Come to My Kingdom in 2008, again without Giuffria. In the late ’90s, Angel reformed with a new line-up. Keyboardist Gordon G.G. Gebert joined the band in 1999 and left in 2002. Currently, the band members are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Dimino - Frank Dimino , vocals; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Brandt - Barry Brandt , drums; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Gregg_%28musician%29 - Randy Gregg , bass; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Blaze - Steve Blaze , guitars; and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Ross - Michael T. Ross , keyboards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_%28band%29#cite_note-3 - [4] . The band’s 2000 release In the Beginning also features guest appearances by original guitarist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punky_Meadows - Punky Meadows , as well as Robinson. In 2000 came the release of Angel: The Collection, making it the most extensive Angel greatest hits compilation including 16 songs. In 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith - Lilith released two singles albums which has singles released through the band’s career (1975-1981), and even though it has most singles released at that time it does not include “Better Days” which was taken off the White Hot album and replaced with “The Winter Song.” This song remain unreleased on CD or cassette format. It is however available as a 7" single but is very hard to find. Angel is now working on a new album, which so far has no name, but there has been a total of three written songs and they are: “Worship the Sun,” “Hold On To Your Dreams,” and the third song does not currently have a title. The fourth song is “Even Now,” but it is not certain whether this is the third untitled song, a new fourth song, or just an unreleased track. For better or for worse, Angel was quite influential in their own way—particularly on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glam_metal - glam metal boom of the 1980s—and represent a kind of missing link between keyboard-driven hard rock bands of the ’70s such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriah_Heep_%28band%29 - Uriah Heep and ’80s acts like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_%28band%29 - Poison . [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angel_%28band%29&action=edit§ion=2 - edit ] Discography
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angel_%28band%29&action=edit§ion=3 - edit ] Notes and references
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angel_%28band%29&action=edit§ion=4 - edit ] External links
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_%28band%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_(band) "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Categories - Categories : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Progressive_rock_groups - Progressive rock groups | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Glam_rock_groups - Glam rock groups | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_heavy_metal_musical_groups - American heavy metal musical groups | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Musical_groups_established_in_1975 - Musical groups established in 1975 -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:39
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Thanks for pyublishing Rushfan, I had already corrected my post...But again, the article itself says nothing of them being Prog, read my previous post.
Iván
BTW: I insist, your link DOESN'T WORK, keeps sending me to a blank page, I had to search...But the important issue is that the articcle werote by God knows who, doesn'tr say they played Prog, only a mention in the tag. -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:44
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I think HeavyProg may have looked at them and decided against based on the vast majority of their work.. but that first album has Prog written all over it and is quite good. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:45
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Again it falls under for whatever it is worth, but here is a link to the AllMusicGuide review of their debut album. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:wbfrxq95ldde - http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:wbfrxq95ldde
Noted the following: "But from the opening notes of "Tower," there's a curious admixture of progressive rock, almost entirely due to http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:knfqxq95ldje - Gregg Giuffria 's contributions of harpsichords, piano, and Mellotrons."
I haven't heard them, and it doesn't make them a prog band, but at least one other person out there makes a connection between the band and Prog Rock.
Also, from the Wikipedia article "
"For better or for worse, Angel was quite influential in their own way—particularly on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glam_metal - glam metal boom of the 1980s—and represent a kind of missing link between keyboard-driven hard rock bands of the ’70s such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriah_Heep_%28band%29 - Uriah Heep and ’80s acts like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_%28band%29 - Poison ." I know that you, Ivan, may be the biggest Uriah Heep fan on PA, so there is something to be said with this quote. -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:52
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Before your display of power and fury, please anser me:
1.- Does your link work?
Was it nevcessary to post the whole page?
2.- It sauys it's the link between URIAHH HEEP and POISON...Doesn'tt say Ptrogressive Rock, as a fact for many people Uriah heep iis just a Hard Rock band
I heard them so i can't talk, I don't see the connection between Uriah Heep and Angel but yes with Poison.
3.- Does the article say they are a Progressive Rock band?
BTW: Would you trust in a person who does a comparison between Uriah heep and Poison.
Again as i saidbefore, if you don't like me giving oinions or have a problem with me...tell me directly, but don't invent things as:
"As always, I realize that a definition from another site means little to most here at PA and absolutely nothing to Ivan·,
Being a monitor doesn't give you the faculty to invent.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:55
Hi Ivan, The link isn't working for me either. I'm not sure why???? That is why I copied the article. I also agree that since it is from Wikipedia that it doesn't carry much weight, I just felt it was interesting that they did assign progressive rock as one of the band's genres. No skin off of my back either way.
Cheers,
Scott
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 17:01
The your explosion of rage publishing the whole article and insinuating I was lying was unnecessary, so please next time verify before,
I said the link doesn't work and now you admit the link doesn't work.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 17:09
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^ the link doesn't work because the closing ")" in (band) is not included in the link - a simple error easily fixed, thus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_%28band - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_(band )
I am sure Scott only cut and pasted the entire contents of Wikipedia because the link did not and not because he thought you were lying. ------------- What? |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 17:11
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I never disputed the link didn't work. That is why I copied the article. I think that you are misinterpreting what I typed because the words that I typed were in bold. I pasted the article first and the beginning of the article was in bold letters. When I typed the opening sentence that was the font that PA chose for me, and I was not able to change the font. I'm sorry that this was misinterpreted as rage or insinuation that you were lying. That was not the case. I honestly don't know why the link didn't work. I have only been pasting links in PA every day for the last year and a half. I have no idea why that link decided not to work.
Peace,
Scott
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 17:19
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Oh boy what a quarrel over a simple misunderstanding. The web address is OK, only RF4 didn't put the ending bracket in the hyperlink
This is better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_%28band%29%20%20%20 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_(band) |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 17:25
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That's not all Swan Song, saying
"I realize that a definition from another site means little to most here at PA and absolutely nothing to Ivan,·
Is totally unjustified, false and aggressive, as a fact when i add a band, I check and quote what every other site says as a referenvce, even if the other site doesn't agree with me,
I do exactly the same when i disagree with a band, to the point that if I had a buck for every time I read That we are the Nª 1 site and shouldn't care for what others say, I would be rich.
The last thing I would do is not caring for what otthers say, I have my position, I defend it with passion, that's how I am and won't change.
But i do listen others even if I disagree.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 18:30
That's true, but he may have simply mistook you for Cert1fied for a moment. Trying to remember that debate about the definitions for Symphonic Prog you had with Cert some time ago, it was difficult even for me to remember exactly who supported those various definitions and who didn't.  |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 18:42
Swan Song you and me know Rushfan knows Certif1ed and me enough for years.
Iván
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 18:49
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I hope this was a missunderstanding, no hard feelings.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 19:06
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 20:31
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Angel prog ? Angel , an influence on 80s hair metal ? Answer is no on both counts. No prog. No influence on 80s hair metal. The hair metal scene, while owing much to Glam Rock's penchant for anthems, also took a lot from 70s hard rockers like Kiss and Aerosmith. And Angel was seen in their time, and later as pomp rock. Puff piece music. I know of no references made to them by GnR, L.A Guns, Motley Crue, Warrant, or other leading lights in the Hair Metal scene. Indeed, the closest would be Axl Rose's championing the Aussie group Angel City. The reason they couldn't use their original name - the Angels, was because of Angel, and also a 60s girl group. And that's that. As for their first album being prog ... well it did fly progressively farther the harder you threw it. Friends of mine bought because of a perceived musical similarity to the then current hard rock scene. In the 80s, western civilization would invent the word "poser" to describe such musicians. If you like them , fine. They did have a following, and I did read a few articles about them in magazines like Hit Parader and Circus. But none alluded to them being prog. And Circus regularly had groups like Rush, Genesis, and (gasp) King Crimson, Tull and Yes during the mid to late 70s. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 01:11
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I don't know if Angel would qualify as prog but they are featured in Jerry Lucky's ''Progressive Rock files'' book.Mr.Lucky is an authority in prog circles I believe. I would say that some of their early material had similarities with Magnum,mid period Heep and other pomp-rock bands;Styx,Journey,Queen,ect...
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 01:42
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Ah yeah, pomp rock. A definition used on bands like Angel, Kansas and Starcastle - amongst others. Magnum and Saga too. Remember that style description and the bands mentioned as placed in that style since like forever; more than twenty years ago I first came across that style description containing those acts. Found a more detailed account in Italian; strangely enough: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomp_rock - http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomp_rock ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 07:18
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During the 70s in the UK, Symphonic groups like Yes and ELP were described as Pomp Rock (probably from Elgar's Pomp & Circumstance, though perhaps just from pompous) - at times the term was also applied to Queen (in the days when they were considered a Prog band). In the rest of the world, Pomp Rock evidently came to mean something completely different.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22387 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22387 ------------- What? |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 07:40
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You have some valid points here Michael. One of my first introductions to US prog was a sampler double LP called "Striktly for Konnoiseurs" issued by Music For Nations here in Europe; with bands such as Angel, Starcastle and Max Webster given the prog/pomp rock tag along with acts such as Legs Diamond, Trillion and Desmond Child & Rouge. http://rateyourmusic.com/release/comp/various_artists___genres___pop_and_rock/striktly_for_konnoisseurs/ - http://rateyourmusic.com/release/comp/various_artists___genres___pop_and_rock/striktly_for_konnoisseurs/ Interesting sampler, and one I hope will be reissued some day. Sampling vinyl over to digital files works; but a CD version would have been better ;-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 10:04
Thanks for the link.Unfortunately my Italian is crappy,but I was able to catch a bit of it.Some interesting band mentioned here;Mississipi?!?
 Ah well...Here's Jerry Lucky's description of Angel in his book;
''Only the first album had any amount of material that could be called progressive rock.They sprang from the glam-rock era and quickly changed their sound to accomodate the masses.Much of their material is pomp stadium rock,very aggressive,guitar oriented.However there are some longer pieces with well placed mellotron where the band's most prog side comes through.
Angel(75),Helluva Band(76)''
Another band of the same type,only even more progressive, was American Tears.They were the project of Keybordist Mark Mangold who's early CV include proto-prog band Valhalla.American Tears then morphed into Touch. ------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:01
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Okaayy! all I'm trying to point out, and I appoligize for not making much of anything clear, but along with Queen, Styx, Kansas, and Aviary in which they all took prog added their own touches and threw in some pop, hard rock, or whatever into the mix. That said, in my worthless opinion, there's not much of a difference between say Angel and Styx or Angel and Kansas, in which they all had great prog moments but none of it lasted that long. Yet here we are with these bands which often get critisism for not even being prog!
Ivan you said Styx had at least 3 prog albums, which is a good point, but why does that make them more worthy than a band that may have 2 or even just 1 prog album. I know it can't be because the bulk of Angel's material isn't prog, but neither is Styx's or Queen's! Just those couple of albums. Otherwise the bulk of Styx's, Queen's, Kansas', is just hard rock or mainstreem rock. I'm not denying that these bands had some wonderful prog moments, all I'm saying is that if one band is worthy for PA for those couple of albums or years, then so is Angel.
P.S. I also appologize for calling them symphonic, just me being stupidly and uncharacteristicly over zealous. Ivan I appologize to you for the unnecessary insult, I in no way question your intelligence in the matter of prog, for surely you know more about the subject than I. I am sorry and wish to learn from this awful misjudgement and loss of constraint. I hope to regain your and fellow PA members respect and salvage something from this. ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:08
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No need to apologize progsterman - as progressive music goes how you view it is very much a personal opinion whether you're a newbie or a nerdy, hardcore progger with thousands of posts on this forum. Your views aren't inferior to anyone else's; and you're as entitled to your views as anyone else are. In the case of the various collaborators here, they have influence on whether or not a suggested artist may be approved by the team they are in - no more, no less. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:13
I know. But I did make some statements, whether tame or not, that I usually don't unless I'm annoid. In which a lot of the things that come out of my mouth usally mean something different of what I actually believe.!
But Angel's first two and quarter albums are still proggy to me!  So there.... ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:16
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as I said earlier... they'll get a fair eval by the AR team. Other sites have the group listed so chances are they will have a place here. Those first couple albums sound interesting... I'm ordering them so we'll eval them when I get them. I did listen to some samples.. and that was some good stuff. the mellotron site about sh*t over themselves in praise of them. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:20
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Yeah, I noticed that one! I love that website! Find some interesting artist who get great reviews using the mellotron! ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:23
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oh yeah... and I'm sucker for the 'Tron anyway... doesn't make it prog by itself of course... but it goes a long way to making it good hahha. Give us some time to eval them and we'll get back to you in this thread.
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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:24
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Take your time and enjoy the music! ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:26
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that I will... and you enjoy the site while you wait hahha. The Italian cuisine here is divine .... JIm(Finnforest), our executive chef, can dazzle you with all kinds of stuff ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:27
Don't need to appologize AP, it's your position, i disagree, but I respect it..
BTW; Kansas is 100% Prog in most of their albums.
Great to have tyou here
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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:32
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Hey micky does every special collaborator get a personal chef? Good deal, man! ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:39
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hahahhahah... that is so funny on a couple of levels. I am married... as of last week.. to the QUEEN prog chef. I met one of our our Special Collaborators....Raffaella (Raff) on this site and after a long and difficult 2 1/2 year LDR. She was finally able to move to the states and become..the ULTIMATE personal chef ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:51
 Congrats! You know...now that I think of it.....I've never met a girl who likes prog....sigh...well at least you have someone to share Angel with! Peace-Out!
-AP ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 18:02
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I don't know that much about Angel, but remember buying Guiffria's Silk And Steel on cassette back in the 80's. They had a trivia thing about Greg Guiffria on That Metal Show and apparently he made a fortune inventing (something) and is out of the music business completely. Good to have you aboard, Progster. E ------------- 
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 19:22
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O.K., I will eat some crow here. Lacking for anything to do, and coming into this thread again, I went and listened to the Amazon MP3 samples. Here's my view - If we consider a much shorter career arc than Styx or Kansas, there does seem to be some validity in considering Angel. This is based mainly on the first two albums. By the third, they seem to have arrived at the point where Styx was with Pieces of Eight. A harder rock edge, and the once kinda "symphonic" melodies have become radio ballads. There's even a song or two on 'Heaven" that remind me of heavy Uriah Heep or Kansas. I don't think that they belong in Symph. And their turn to the type of arena rock that was emerging in the late 70s is going to play against them big time with many here (Heaven onwards). So, maybe crossover, or prog related at the very least. I'm assuming PA has moved Saga to Crossover. Please note one thing thoughre the compositions - I still didn't find too much that would make me like them. And that may be another obstacle they have to overcome. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 07:19
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Hello, last year I wrote reviews about the first two Angel albums for another
thread on the forum, perhaps it may help to give an impression of
their unique progressive sound for those who are not familiar with early Angel.
ANGEL - Helluvaband
 - I discovered this band on the radio, I was listening to a rock show with progressive hardrock bands (between 1973 and 1976 my favorite category) and when I heard Angel I was blown away!
- This is Angel their second effort (1976), enjoy their powerful and exciting sound, loaded with biting guitar - and flashy Minimoog solos and topped by great vocals! Musically you can split this album into two sections. First straightforward R&R-inspired songs like Anyway You Want It, Dr. Ice, Pressure Point and Chicken Soup with excellent ‘head-to-tail’ work on guitar and keyboards and powerful vocals. And second a section with songs that sound as very interesting Heavo Prog like The Fortune, one of the most compelling Heavy Prog songs I have ever heard: first a wonderful keyboard intro featuring majestic choir-Mellotron waves, a soaring string-ensemble sound and slow synthesizer flights, then lots of shifting moods, from twanging acoustic guitar with melancholical vocals to bombastic with excellent singing, fiery guitar and an eruption with fat Minimoog flights, what a tension and dynamics! Other strong compositions are Feelings (a sparkling Grand piano intro, then a slow rhythm with a wonderful harmony between vocals, guitar and piano and in the end a howling electric guitar solo) and Mirrors (great propulsive guitar riff, like Led Zep’s Immigrant Song, with outstanding vocals and biting electric guitar). At one moment Angel sounds like a hardrock band, at other moments as very intereting Heavy Prog! ANGEL - Same
 - I had the idea that USA formation Angel their second album Helluvaband was more progressive but today I listened to their eponymous debut LP (1975) and I am delighted this debut album! Keyboard-player Greg Giuffria (who looks like a member of other USA band The New York Dolls) ownes an impressive array of vintage keyboards and he colours almost every of the eights songs very tastefully.
- The album (almost 38 minutes) starts with the hit single Tower (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n07qiAo1lM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n07qiAo1lM ), this was my introduction to the sound of Angel and I am still blown away by the huge tension between the mellow parts (with flute- and choir-Mellotron and twanging guitars) and the bombastic pieces (with fat Minimoog flights, fiery electric guitar runs and dynamic drums), topped by Frank Dimino his excellent vocals, what a wide range his voice has! Then my highlight of this album, the long composition Long Time (at about 7 minutes): the intro contains violin – and flute-Mellotron, blended with warm vocals, then a slow rhythm with an omnipresent Mellotron along harpsichord and sensitive electric guitar, halfway interrupted by a powerful break with R&R guitar. Again the vocals lift the song to a higher level! Another wonderful song is the ballad Mariner with warm Grand piano play, emotional vocals, floods of beautiful Mellotron waves and halfway a swinging piano. The other five tracks are rock-oriented but less straightforward than on the second album, I notice more inventive arrangements with exciting vintage keyboards like bombastic Hammond organ, spectacular Minimoog flights and majestic Mellotron waves, especially the final song Angel (Theme) featuring a slow rhythm with all Mellotron sections (flute/violin/choir) and fat synthesizer runs, goose bumps! 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 24 2009 at 08:02
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just a bump... got their first two albums... and we'll see about this group.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 25 2009 at 09:51
hmmm... I think we could be 'seeing' about this group for some time to come...  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 09:17
OK people...
I didn't realise that the Godfather of the HP team had already spoken on the issue of Angel's possible submission, but in essence, we'd all agree with David...
The HP team has, after a considerable amount of deliberation, today, decided against adding Angel to the archives, involving both the Heavy Prog and Crossover teams (who, we are aware, have also turned them down).
That said, although we won't be persuing a case for them to be added to Prog Related, if anyone feels particularly strongly about this issue, then they can make a case out for the importance of their admission into the site, and PM one of the Admin team to that effect. They will let them know of the decision reached, in due course.
As far as HP are concerned, while we concede that while their debut album is certainly Art Rock/ Prog influenced (and a case may be made out for their second); neither albums were uniformly progressive enough to warrant inclusion on its own. Additionally, we felt that their case for inclusion was diluted considerably by their later output and persona.
I hope everyone interested in this thread is able to accept this decision with magnanimity, and I would like to thank everyone for their interest. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 09:59
Agree with Ivan, Angel have not the qualities of beiong a prog band, they can compare with bands like City Boy. -------------  |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 10:09
Wow, Micky i do not know that.... you marry Raff. Simply wow.
Congrats for both of you ------------- |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 10:12
who nevertheless, are on PA:
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1034 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1034
 ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 10:21
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Micky, with your marriage a prog woman (Raff) i tell you this that happen to me very years ago: "One day i was with a friend (padawan for Jedi terms) and i remember to teach prog music, that was in the early 90's, then on a saturday we went to El Tianguis de El Chopo, a famous street market that sell, and trade cd's albums and everything being related to rock and to prog rock, we were walking through the market and my friend told me that behind of us there was a little lady that was asking for Uriah Heep albums or cd's, even cassettes, then i turn around to see who is she and when i see she looks like a princess, wow... i can believe it... a very beautiful girl asking for f+++ng Uriah Heep records!!!!!!
I try to reach at her but like the Golden Earring song: She was Shallowed by the road... and i never see again"
She looks like (more or less):
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 10:30
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Well, Alberto, I wish I looked like that - though I don't think I look too bad either. We did actually get married on December 23, and we are about to apply for my Green Card (long, tedious, and expensive process).
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 10:39
Well, congrats to you again
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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 15:45
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Well thanks for the interest Micky, I'm surprised Angel got this far. I still believe they should be on PA but at the same time I understand why Angel is easy to turn away, they did after all release 4 glam rock/AOR albums (last 3 albums,77-79, and their reunion album) and only have 2 albums (plus 2 songs from their 3 album) to defend the prog they DID play. But again thanks for the interest and defense I got from other members. So how would I go about suggesting Angel for the Prog-Related people? ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 16:01
| It may be that some other Collab will bring the issue to the Admin Team (who are in charge of Prog-Related), or you can try contacting them directly by PM. As Jared already stated in much better words, we of the Heavy Prog team thought it was best not to add them in our sub. However, we would be happy if they were eventually accepted for Prog-Related. |
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 16:11
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Oh, okay, thanks Raff. P.S. Cute cat by the way. ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 16:11
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Approaching the Admin's directly is not the way. Only a Special Collaborator willing to make the addition can suggest a band for Prog Related... therefore non-SCs wishing to have a band suggested for that category must convince a SC to sponsor the addition on their behalf. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 16:13
Sorry, Dean, I always get things mixed up ... Anyway, I think there might be someone interested in sponsoring Angel for inclusion in PR.
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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 16:28
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So a pretty please is out of the question then?
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 11 2009 at 13:21
| In response to a direct request, Angel will be considered for addition as Prog Related by the admin team. |
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: February 11 2009 at 13:23
Thank you. ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 13 2009 at 03:02
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After due consideration, Angel have been Rejected for Prog Related.
Sorry for the disappointment AP, the sincerity and eloquence of your proposal are appreciated.
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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: February 13 2009 at 06:41
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Well I suppose it was a crapshoot to begin with, but it was worth trying. I appreciate the time spent on Angel and I also appreciate the desicion made. Thanks again for looking into it! ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: February 13 2009 at 06:51
Believe me, it was a very hard decision... the hardest one I've had to help make in my time within the HP team, so I'd just like to thank you AP, for the magnanimous manner with which you've accepted the decision...
we wish a few more were like you...
and anyway look on the bright side, at least you have had GoodThunder added within the past week...  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: February 13 2009 at 06:53
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Yeah, I'm still proud of that one! ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 13 2009 at 07:09
| It was a hard decision indeed for us.... Personally, I think they would've deserved inclusion, but on the other hand I understand why the Admins decided not to give them the green light. Anyway, we'd be very happy if you kept on bringing your suggestions to our attention - I know there are still lots of obscure Seventies bands that haven't been included in our database yet, and we appreciate all the help we can get. Especially from a fellow citizen of Northern Virginia! |
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: February 13 2009 at 07:24
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Well I have a few bands in mind! Hopefully I'll be posting them this weekend. ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |