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USA Seventies 'Prog' that is NOT Jazz Fusion!
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I have excluded the Jazz Fusion mob which accounts for 90% of the prog from USA. It's their thing after all. I'm including the Dan because I don't think they should be classed as Jazz fusion. I class them as 'Eclectic'. It's my poll so my decision. Actually Kansas are really the only significant band or artist of any note from the USA from that period that called by called 'prog' IMO.
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Predictable I know, but it has to be Kansas tbh...

I'm guessing Styx got in by the skin of their fingernails? Toto (Hydra/ Turn Back) have a feint shout here, as do Journey (first 3), early Reo & early Chicago... but I know we're pushing it a bit.

Utopia would have been in with a shout, but its really all based on the strength of one album, so...
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1. Kansas
2. Styx
3. Steely Dan 
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Frank Zappa - Over-nite Sensation

Well, it's actually The Mothers album, but I reckon it's okay to include it here.






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I'm obviously for Zappa, but he will likely win the poll so I vote for my second choice: Kansas
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Zappa
Steely Dan
Kansas
Utopia


Others...Todd Rundgren's solo material, Happy the Man, and Dixie Dregs (more country and rock than prog). And the bands I listed are all "significant" for me.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Actually Kansas are really the only significant band or artist of any note from the USA from that period that called by called 'prog' IMO.

I'd include Zappa's Over-nite Sensation and the first two of Utopia's and Happy the Man's albums.




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It's between these three:

Steely Dan
Zappa
Beefheart

All known to be quite difficult, unpleasant people - and musical dictators. I think both the first and the last option are closer to my heart than the guy in the middle. I think I'll go for Beefheart.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Actually Kansas are really the only significant band or artist of any note from the USA from that period that called by called 'prog' IMO.

I'd include Zappa's Over-nite Sensation and the first two of Utopia's and Happy the Man's albums.



I can't think of any Zappa release that was Prog. Now, 'Prog' sort of fits. It's Avant-Garde, Experimental. In many ways what Zappa did was beyond Prog. 
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Frank Zappa, and the rest are very close in second.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Actually Kansas are really the only significant band or artist of any note from the USA from that period that called by called 'prog' IMO.

I'd include Zappa's Over-nite Sensation and the first two of Utopia's and Happy the Man's albums.
I can't think of any Zappa release that was Prog. Now, 'Prog' sort of fits. It's Avant-Garde, Experimental. In many ways what Zappa did was beyond Prog. 
I don't disagree. Mother of Invention-era Zappa comes close every once in a while though. This reminds me a lot about early Soft Machine + guitar. So much I was certain it had to be them the first time I heard it. If Canterbury Scene is Prog and not just 'Prog'

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I can't think of any Zappa release that was Prog.
You could say the same of Pink Floyd, ELP, and Tull (besides Thick as a Brick).
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I can't think of any Zappa release that was Prog.
You could say the same of Pink Floyd, ELP, and Tull (besides Thick as a Brick).
Really? ELP? Tull? I could name a handful albums more by Tull I consider to be mainly Prog. And I've never heard or seen anyone saying that about ELP ever before.
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^Ok so, name me the 70's Tull albums that are prog, besides Thick... Tull was more of a folk rock band. Is Bungle in the Jungle,Locomotive Breath, Too Old to Rock and Roll prog songs? For ELP, they were more classical influenced rock with the Lake penned guitar "hit". If Zappa isn't prog then...

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Actually Kansas are really the only significant band or artist of any note from the USA from that period that called by called 'prog' IMO.

I'd include Zappa's Over-nite Sensation and the first two of Utopia's and Happy the Man's albums.
As other significant works, also:
Yezda Urfa - Boris
Cathedral - Glass Stories


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Zappa
Kansas
Styx
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Some of Bloodrock's albums strayed into prog territory; I am thinking of Bloodrock USA and Bloodrock Passages, for example. 
            Known mainly for their one hit DOA-there is much more to them than that....
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Went with Zappa. I'm also a fan of the short-lived Yezda Urfa and Quill. I'm sitting here watching rubber elastomers falling down the steps.
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Steely Dan
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