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    Posted: June 12 2024 at 11:39
I've never liked country (never liked "happy" music), but then after thinking about it, and listening to a song by Matthews Southern Comfort (Moses In The Sunshine), I thought like every other genre, I need a little bit of prog.

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I can see jazz and prog., but not country and prog. They're near opposites. Cold flames? Hot ice? But maybe folks will surprise us!
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Originally posted by Boojieboy Boojieboy wrote:

I can see jazz and prog., but not country and prog. 

Dixie Dregs kind of fall into that sound...


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Money Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2024 at 12:26
Originally posted by Criswell Criswell wrote:

Originally posted by Boojieboy Boojieboy wrote:

I can see jazz and prog., but not country and prog. 


Dixie Dregs kind of fall into that sound...

Dixie Dregs and possibly some tracks by the Allman Brothers, The Grateful Dead, Bill Frisell or Jerry Goodman.
John Scofield's "Country for Old Men"

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2024 at 19:50
Steve Howe's guitar playing, specially some of his instrumental songs, have a lot of influence from country music. So is Jimmy Page'a playing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Awesoreno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2024 at 23:16
Americana stylings sort of evoke country, but that sort of guitar (or occasionally piano) playing doesn't always equal true country. Just like having a rhodes piano and saxophone doesn't make your rock track a jazz fusion track necessarily (but it won't stop people from saying it is).
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HELP YOURSELF (known as The Helps by their fans) were a London-based band with a unique sound that can best be described as Psychedelic Country. They recorded four albums during the early 1970's:- "Help Yourself" (1971); "Strange Affair" (1972); "Beware the Shadow" (1972); and "The Return of Ken Whaley" (1973). It seemed like Help Yourself may have been consigned to the annals of rock history after poor sales from their fourth album, but due to popular demand by their fans, they made a brief belated comeback with "Help Yourself 5" in 2004, which consisted mainly of 1973 recordings from an unreleased fifth album. It's time now to give Help Yourself's third helping a listen.

Upon hearing the "Beware the Shadow" album for the first time, you'd be convinced they were an American Southern Rock band. In fact, their first song "Alabama Lady", sounds like a typical song that the U.S. bands Alabama or the Allman Brothers Band might have recorded in their heyday. Help Yourself have encapsulated the American Southern Rock sound perfectly with "Alabama Lady". It sounds as American as a Stetson-wearing cowboy in a rodeo riding a bucking bronco. Next up is the real highlight of the album, the 12-minute-long song "Reaffirmation". The floating sound of a Mellotron in the opening gives the song a somewhat mystical air, but this is only a prelude to a long Psychedelic Country jam session that sounds very reminiscent of some of the Grateful Dead's extended jams, only Help Yourself are much more Alive and Kicking in this exhilarating number than the Grateful Dead ever were in their seemingly endless jams. Side One draws to a close now (already?) with the brief "Calypso", which turns out to be a hippyish campfire sing-along song.

The Side Two opener "She's My Girl" has the same happy and carefree sound of the summer as "Here Comes the Sun" by The Beatles. "She's My Girl" has Hit Song written all over it. It's a song that's positively aglow with passionate romantic love and optimistic hope for the future. Up next is "Molly Bake Bean", a song with childish innocence which sounds just as silly and frivolous as the song title implies. It's a perfect Country sing-along song to listen to and join in with whilst eating baked beans around a campfire with the kids. And now it's time for the BIG bluesy piano ballad "American Mother", another song that sounds as quintessentially Born To Be Wild American as riding a Harley-Davidson motorcycle over the Golden Gate Bridge. "American Mother" sounds like a song that Big Brother & the Holding Company might have recorded and it brings to mind another great song, "American Woman", by the Canadian band The Guess Who. Both songs represent good old-fashioned Blues-Rock numbers with the same raw and earthy appeal. We're just "Passing Through" now for the final song, a gently laid-back slice of Folk-Rock Americana.

"Beware the Shadow" is unlikely to appeal to Prog-Rock fans generally, but if you're in the mood to listen to some good old country boys from the Deep South of London in England, then Help Yourself to this rather unique Psychedelic Country album.

3 stars 1973: Help Yourself - The Return of Ken Whaley - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nJ73TCkhrqa5eTiyNzvVYIsYPKnaxyrrQ
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Steve Howe's guitar playing, specially some of his instrumental songs, have a lot of influence from country music. So is Jimmy Page'a playing.
Steve Howe's guitar playing is a perfect blend of country, jazz and progressive rock. One of his biggest influences is country great Chet Atkins. Lately Steve has been leading his own jazz group.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2024 at 06:25
If memory serves, both Charlie Daniels band and Marshall Tucker Band's longer tracks are somewhat proggy, but again those groups are borderline Southern rock thingies

Originally posted by Criswell Criswell wrote:

Originally posted by Boojieboy Boojieboy wrote:

I can see jazz and prog, but not country and prog. 

Dixie Dregs kind of fall into that sound...

Bella Fleck as well, though he's more folk than country, IMH0

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It's always difficult to make a distinction between country rock and US folk rock. I tend to use the Mississippi line top divide the areas, but it's porous, obviously; especially so the Nashville is East of the river.

But to me, most from Acadia to Appalachians mountain range is not "Country music", but folk, like Cajun, Hillbilly, Appalachian folk, etc...  most if those do not have that "twang" or Hawaiian that is so typical of C&W or CR.

my 0.02o on the topic.


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It's only one song, but...

https://youtu.be/r2XbRK6a2ew
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Originally posted by ProgSynonym ProgSynonym wrote:

Bro, San Francisco 8/13/1975 ‘Blues for Allah’ is such a sick example of how The Dead create this whole jazzy mix of progressive country-rock!




Like, OMG, so listen up - the Beacon Theatre 6/14/76  ‘Crazy Fingers’ is, like, totally a rad mix of progressive jazz and country vibes, dude. It’s got that super smooth, chill groove that just makes you wanna kick back and relax, you know what I’m saying?



I actually listened to their first dozen studio albums and yeah, definitely.  "Weather Report Suite" might be another one. "Terrapin Station" is pretty proggy.
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I second The Dregs. Also, Danny Gatton fits the requirements.
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Willie Nelsons "Red Headed Stranger": while not prog, is a trippy concept/story album that is musically perfect for country. And there is nothing happy about it at all.  A sad tale.

Edited by Valdez - June 13 2024 at 13:53
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Béla Fleck is a bluegrass and jazz player. Again, not all Americana equals "country."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2024 at 21:22
The poco track made me think of th is and Messina was in Poco then....sounds like he based Angry Eyes from part of that Poco track



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One of my favorite country blues rock -with jazz and psych bands of all time.....




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2024 at 21:35
Country, blues, rock ,and jazz all in 3:26.....one of the best bands ever that no one hardly ever talks about.....or even knows of.



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