1970s Country-Jazz Prog?
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Topic: 1970s Country-Jazz Prog?
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Subject: 1970s Country-Jazz Prog?
Date Posted: June 12 2024 at 11:39
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I've never liked country (never liked "happy" music), but then after thinking about it, and listening to a song by Matthews Southern Comfort (Moses In The Sunshine), I thought like every other genre, I need a little bit of prog. Any suggestions? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
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Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: June 12 2024 at 11:46
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I can see jazz and prog., but not country and prog. They're near opposites. Cold flames? Hot ice? But maybe folks will surprise us! |
Posted By: Criswell
Date Posted: June 12 2024 at 12:23
Dixie Dregs kind of fall into that sound...
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Boojieboy wrote:Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: June 12 2024 at 12:26
John Scofield's "Country for Old Men" |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 12 2024 at 19:50
| Steve Howe's guitar playing, specially some of his instrumental songs, have a lot of influence from country music. So is Jimmy Page'a playing. |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: June 12 2024 at 23:16
| Americana stylings sort of evoke country, but that sort of guitar (or occasionally piano) playing doesn't always equal true country. Just like having a rhodes piano and saxophone doesn't make your rock track a jazz fusion track necessarily (but it won't stop people from saying it is). |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 13 2024 at 04:42
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HELP YOURSELF (known as The Helps by their fans) were a London-based band with a unique sound that can best be described as Psychedelic Country. They recorded four albums during the early 1970's:- "Help Yourself" (1971); "Strange Affair" (1972); "Beware the Shadow" (1972); and "The Return of Ken Whaley" (1973). It seemed like Help Yourself may have been consigned to the annals of rock history after poor sales from their fourth album, but due to popular demand by their fans, they made a brief belated comeback with "Help Yourself 5" in 2004, which consisted mainly of 1973 recordings from an unreleased fifth album. It's time now to give Help Yourself's third helping a listen. Upon hearing the "Beware the Shadow" album for the first time, you'd be convinced they were an American Southern Rock band. In fact, their first song "Alabama Lady", sounds like a typical song that the U.S. bands Alabama or the Allman Brothers Band might have recorded in their heyday. Help Yourself have encapsulated the American Southern Rock sound perfectly with "Alabama Lady". It sounds as American as a Stetson-wearing cowboy in a rodeo riding a bucking bronco. Next up is the real highlight of the album, the 12-minute-long song "Reaffirmation". The floating sound of a Mellotron in the opening gives the song a somewhat mystical air, but this is only a prelude to a long Psychedelic Country jam session that sounds very reminiscent of some of the Grateful Dead's extended jams, only Help Yourself are much more Alive and Kicking in this exhilarating number than the Grateful Dead ever were in their seemingly endless jams. Side One draws to a close now (already?) with the brief "Calypso", which turns out to be a hippyish campfire sing-along song. The Side Two opener "She's My Girl" has the same happy and carefree sound of the summer as "Here Comes the Sun" by The Beatles. "She's My Girl" has Hit Song written all over it. It's a song that's positively aglow with passionate romantic love and optimistic hope for the future. Up next is "Molly Bake Bean", a song with childish innocence which sounds just as silly and frivolous as the song title implies. It's a perfect Country sing-along song to listen to and join in with whilst eating baked beans around a campfire with the kids. And now it's time for the BIG bluesy piano ballad "American Mother", another song that sounds as quintessentially Born To Be Wild American as riding a Harley-Davidson motorcycle over the Golden Gate Bridge. "American Mother" sounds like a song that Big Brother & the Holding Company might have recorded and it brings to mind another great song, "American Woman", by the Canadian band The Guess Who. Both songs represent good old-fashioned Blues-Rock numbers with the same raw and earthy appeal. We're just "Passing Through" now for the final song, a gently laid-back slice of Folk-Rock Americana. "Beware the Shadow" is unlikely to appeal to Prog-Rock fans generally, but if you're in the mood to listen to some good old country boys from the Deep South of London in England, then Help Yourself to this rather unique Psychedelic Country album.  1971: Help Yourself - Help Yourself - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mONXKW2JPzFqOMZKOiQb2DYjFhnlK7Gds" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mONXKW2JPzFqOMZKOiQb2DYjFhnlK7Gds 1972: Help Yourself - Strange Affair - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k2lfXw8VQ_NvVHWew2QGJDRdMN33U81RU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k2lfXw8VQ_NvVHWew2QGJDRdMN33U81RU 1972: Help Yourself - Beware the Shadow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nQ8pzu-wGj05m9IZb8TgYubCX6TJaN52M" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nQ8pzu-wGj05m9IZb8TgYubCX6TJaN52M  1973: Help Yourself - The Return of Ken Whaley - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nJ73TCkhrqa5eTiyNzvVYIsYPKnaxyrrQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nJ73TCkhrqa5eTiyNzvVYIsYPKnaxyrrQ 2004: Help Yourself - 5 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kBfeUzCVH4OCdhmTtfMY54q453GQ74avc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kBfeUzCVH4OCdhmTtfMY54q453GQ74avc |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: June 13 2024 at 04:55
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 13 2024 at 06:25
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If memory serves, both Charlie Daniels band and Marshall Tucker Band's longer tracks are somewhat proggy, but again those groups are borderline Southern rock thingies
Bella Fleck as well, though he's more folk than country, IMH0 =============== It's always difficult to make a distinction between country rock and US folk rock. I tend to use the Mississippi line top divide the areas, but it's porous, obviously; especially so the Nashville is East of the river. But to me, most from Acadia to Appalachians mountain range is not "Country music", but folk, like Cajun, Hillbilly, Appalachian folk, etc... most if those do not have that "twang" or Hawaiian that is so typical of C&W or CR. my 0.02o on the topic. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: June 13 2024 at 06:49
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It's only one song, but... https://youtu.be/r2XbRK6a2ew" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/r2XbRK6a2ew ------------- “I don’t like country music, but I don’t mean to denigrate those who do. And for those who like country music, denigrate means to ‘put down.'” – Bob Newhart |
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: June 13 2024 at 07:06
I actually listened to their first dozen studio albums and yeah, definitely. "Weather Report Suite" might be another one. "Terrapin Station" is pretty proggy. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: June 13 2024 at 10:12
| I second The Dregs. Also, Danny Gatton fits the requirements. |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: June 13 2024 at 13:48
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Willie Nelsons "Red Headed Stranger": while not prog, is a trippy concept/story album that is musically perfect for country. And there is nothing happy about it at all. A sad tale. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024 |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: June 13 2024 at 21:09
| Béla Fleck is a bluegrass and jazz player. Again, not all Americana equals "country." |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 14 2024 at 21:22
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The poco track made me think of th is and Messina was in Poco then....sounds like he based Angry Eyes from part of that Poco track ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 14 2024 at 21:27
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One of my favorite country blues rock -with jazz and psych bands of all time..... ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 14 2024 at 21:35
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Country, blues, rock ,and jazz all in 3:26.....one of the best bands ever that no one hardly ever talks about.....or even knows of. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |