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    Posted: October 18 2005 at 07:50

I'm using Skype ... and I think it's nice for chatting. It's like any other instant messenger, except that it just works - not only for voice communication, but also 1 - 1 chat, group chat and file transfer.

My IDs are:

  • mlriess (at home)
  • selltec_riess (at work)

You're welcome to post your user names, so that we can add each other to our buddy list. One good thing about Skype is that you can choose not to reveal if you're online ... if you wish, your online status can be totally invisible.

What do you say? Please post also if you don't like Skype for some reason ... I'd be interested in all kinds of opinions.  
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That's a Kaaza product Mike- are you sure you want to use it?
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cobb: Read this:

http://www.skype.com/products/explained.html

It doesn't have anything to do with file sharing, and there are no indication of any spyware functions. It would surely be best if they offered the source code to the client (open source), but I can understand that they don't do that.

 
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Points: 2383 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2005 at 08:22
Does it have anything that MSN Messenger doesn't have?
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Points: 1149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2005 at 08:40
Yeah, VOIP. But there are better and cheeper options for this, at least in Australia.
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2005 at 08:41
Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

cheeper

Than free? Or are you talking about computer to telephone?

my username is tgoose.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

It doesn't have anything to do with file sharing, and there are no indication of any spyware functions. It would surely be best if they offered the source code to the client (open source), but I can understand that they don't do that.



I was of the understanding they did bundle some of the same scumware that Kaaza contains.
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Yeah, goose that's right broadband internet to the public telephone system. VOIP also allows you to ring normal telephones.

I use VOIP for my business telephone system, as it is by far the cheapest solution.


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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2005 at 08:50
Me and Mike are chatting on it now.Pretty cool program.


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Here's just something I picked up with a quick search on skype +spyware


Think twice before deleting that Kazaa-Skype spyware

Posted by Russell Shaw @ 12:59 pm

The late, great Warren Zevon's "Send Lawyers, Guns and Money" epitomized his view of the roots and exercise of power.

So when someone who knows a good bit about this nexus speaks, I for one, have a tendency to listen.

Ben Edelman knows a lot about the lawyers and money part. He's a Ph.D. candidate at the Harvard School of Economics and a student at Harvard Law, and a frequent commentator on Internet-related legal issues.

He wrote me this morning to comment on my post, in which I noted that when I downloaded and installed the Kazaa-Skype bundle yesterday, I obtained more than 2,500 adware files.

Ben sent a link to an artice he wrote, in which he notes that in their license document, one of the leading spyware hitchikers on Kazaa-Skype downloads fails to list anti-spyware utilities as an authorized means of removing their files from your PC.

He quotes: "You agree that you will not use, or encourage others to use, any unauthorized means for the removal of the GAIN AdServer, or any GAIN-Supported Software from a computer."

Well, I suppose I could say that I never claimed I had used PestPatrol to make things right again. Nor did I "encourage" you to do so. I only said I was going to.

I say I am "going to do" a lot of things. So maybe I did, and maybe I didn't.

But if "they" come after me, I can imagine the cellblock conversation a year from now. "What are you in for, man?" Breaking and entering." And you? "Hot-wiring a car." And you? "using PestPatrol to clean up my hard-drive Registry."

Maybe the best solution then, would be to do what Brian Turner of Platinax Internet News wrote back in response to my post. Brian recommends thatif you don't want all that adware, then just download the separate Skypeutility.
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Points: 1149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2005 at 09:06
Here's another gem straight from EULA

Skype EULA says it's spyware/backdoor trojan?

i was looking over »www.skype.com/eula.html and i found the following entry pretty worrying:
9. Disclaimer of Warranties.
(c) THE SKYPE SOFTWARE IS UTILIZED AND DISTRIBUTED BY THIRD PARTIES WHICH ARE UNRELATED TO SKYPER. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT INSTALLATION OF THE SKYPE SOFTWARE WILL ALLOW THIRD PARTIES WHO ARE NOT AFFILIATED WITH SKYPER THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR COMPUTER ("OUTSIDE PARTIES"). YOU AGREE THAT SKYPER WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGE, CLAIM OR LOSS OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES AS STATED IN PARAGRAPH 9(a) ABOVE, RESULTING FROM ANY ACTIONS OR OMISSIONS OF THE OUTSIDE PARTIES.

Sorry guys, basically you are f**ked!!
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2005 at 09:44
Um... how can you have a conversation with anyone online if no one can communicate with your computer?
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2005 at 09:47
Originally posted by http://forums.spywareinfo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t26248.html http://forums.spywareinfo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t26248.html wrote:

Skype was created by Niklas Zennstrom & Janus Friis, the original creators of Kazaa. Kazaa was bundled with ad-ware after it was sold to Sharman Networks of Australia.
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2005 at 09:58
Anyhow, people are working on an open source alternative anyway, which I'll replace Skype with, because whether it has spyware or not, open source makes me feel warm inside

edit: called OpenWengo, for the interested. Watch this space, or that space.

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What's your point goose?

Skype is owned by Kaaza and contains all the GAIN crap and more, and what's more when it is installed you tick the box to say any third party can gain access to your computer via skype backdoors. Is this a VOIP solution for any sensible person- I think not!
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Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Anyhow, people are working on an open source alternative anyway, which I'll replace Skype with, because whether it has spyware or not, open source makes me feel warm inside


I'm sure every country has many VOIP companies that are more honest than skype- that's all I'm trying to say.


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Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

It doesn't have anything to do with file sharing, and there are no indication of any spyware functions. It would surely be best if they offered the source code to the client (open source), but I can understand that they don't do that.



I was of the understanding they did bundle some of the same scumware that Kaaza contains.

No software is bundled, no ads, no spyware. I haven't heard anything to the contrary.
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Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Um... how can you have a conversation with anyone online if no one can communicate with your computer?


You need to read that highlighted line again- it is not refering to legit communication for/by the user. Read up on GAIN


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Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

What's your point goose?

Skype is owned by Kaaza and contains all the GAIN crap and more, and what's more when it is installed you tick the box to say any third party can gain access to your computer via skype backdoors. Is this a VOIP solution for any sensible person- I think not!

There is no evidence for that.
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2005 at 10:09
Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

What's your point goose?Skype is owned by Kaaza
Kazaa isn't a company, it's a program which was originally spyware free, until it was bought by Sharman(?) who have nothing to do with Skype. At the minute it's in fact eBay who own Skype.

Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

when it is installed you tick the box to say any third party can gain access to your computer via skype backdoors. Is this a VOIP solution for any sensible person- I think not!

It doesn't necesarily say anything about back doors - that clause could equally refer to the way individual users connect directly to your computer rather than through any central server. Perhaps I'm being naive, but I don't see that Skype would need to support itself with third party advertising, since basically every screen tells me to buy Skype credit

Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

I'm sure every country has many VOIP companies that more honest than skype- that's all I'm trying to say.
I'm sure that's true, but there's no way I'd be able to get my whole family and my friends to convert to another program (and I assume the one you use does?) - incidentally, the standard for internet telephony should allow cross-network conversations - the fault is Skype's for not conforming to this. So I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with Skype, just that there's no other sensible option for me, until we have some open source alternative

edit: I'm assuming of course that this allows communication with the Skype network. If not, I'm buggered.

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