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    Posted: October 17 2005 at 03:31
Friday night I read my local paper and in the concert section was a 1 page article describing a band called Coheed and Cambria and prog-rock.  It described that the band was playing here locally and what progressive rock music is and why Coheed and Cambria are exactly that. 
So now the band claims to be prog, their fans claim they are prog, many members of this site agree, they release concept albums, and fit the description given by this website of prog-rock, and news journalists claim they are prog.  But still this site cannot add them to the page. 
progarchives.com, your ultimate prog resource but it includes bands that most don't regard as prog and doesn't include bands that are clearly prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 03:55
Yeah, it's strange. Maybe it's because nobody has been willing to write them
a description and info about the band?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 08:09
I find it pretty strange too!

C&C : Great band, art rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 08:13
coheed and cambria - prog and excellent
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 08:36
Agreed. I'm sure they will be accepted ... only someone needs submit them for addition.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 08:42
After months of internal debate about this band, I finally figured out why simultaneously I love and hate them.  They are a progressive rock band.  They write solid, entertaining songs.  However, I think they incorporate all of the lame, embarrassing, excessive parts of prog (i.e. extremely high vocals, disgustingly long song/album titles, and a general flair for the bombastic), and few of the real progressive elements.  Also, I can't really decide if they take themselves seriously or not.  By reading the comics and listening to the albums alone, you might think they are actually serious about their music, but watching their music videos and live shows, you might think otherwise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 08:44

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

After months of internal debate about this band, I finally figured out why simultaneously I love and hate them.  They are a progressive rock band.  They write solid, entertaining songs.  However, I think they incorporate all of the lame, embarrassing, excessive parts of prog (i.e. extremely high vocals, disgustingly long song/album titles, and a general flair for the bombastic), and few of the real progressive elements.  Also, I can't really decide if they take themselves seriously or not.  By reading the comics and listening to the albums alone, you might think they are actually serious about their music, but watching their music videos and live shows, you might think otherwise.

IMO "taking themselves seriously" is a very important thing ... I think that Cradle of Filth's music is progressive, but they're not taking music seriously enough.

I think that C&C are genuine artists though ... intuitively, after listening to the samples.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 09:05
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Agreed. I'm sure they will be accepted ... only someone needs submit them for addition.


They were already turned down once.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 09:43

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Agreed. I'm sure they will be accepted ... only someone needs submit them for addition.


They were already turned down once.

Those were different times ... a lot has changed since then (The Band Admissions Team was not yet in place).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 09:57
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Also, I can't really decide if they take
themselves seriously or not.

I don't know, I think it's entirely possible to take not taking yourself seriously seriously... if that means anything
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 11:49
Jean and I have been to their website and listened to the examples there. Unless someone comes up with something better, we say "no thanks". Not prog at all.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 12:18
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Agreed. I'm sure they will be accepted ... only someone needs submit them for addition.
They were already turned down once.

Those were different times ... a lot has changed since then (The Band Admissions Team was not yet in place).


They should be added ASAP then!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 12:48

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Jean and I have been to their website and listened to the examples there. Unlews someone comes up with something better, we say "no thanks". Not prog at all.

Is this based on your personal taste or on the definition of prog that this website uses? I remember you having extreme difficulties with Rush and Devin Townsend as well. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 12:58
It has nothing to do with personal taste; actually we like the music. But it isn't prog. If there is any prog in Coheed and Cambria, it is there in homoeopathic doses. You can of course suggest a new category named "homoeo-prog", and they woiuld fit very well there.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 13:03

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

It has nothing to do with personal taste; actually we like the music. But it isn't prog. If there is any prog in Coheed and Cambria, it is there in homoeopathic doses. You can of course suggest a new category named "homoeo-prog", and they woiuld fit very well there.

You're evading the question. Are they more or less progressive than Devin Townsend?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 13:11

about the same level, I'd say. If this is basis for inclusion, fine ; personally I think the concept of "progressive rock" has been watered down way too much if either Townsend or C&C are included. why not include Abba ?

seriously though: please point out the progressive elements in either C&C or Townsend



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 13:13
Jean was faster than I. I agree with her. It is hard to tell though with prog that exists in such homoeopatic doses.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 13:35
the videos on their website are extremely cheesy, by the way, whatever one thinks of the music


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 13:39
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

about the same level, I'd say. If this is basis for inclusion, fine ; personally I think the concept of "progressive rock" has been watered down way too much if either Townsend or C&C are included. why not include Abba ?

seriously though: please point out the progressive elements in either C&C or Townsend

Please read my review of Terria or Infinity, I tried really hard to express my thoughts about the albums.

Here's a nice review of Terria (in German):

http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?albumId=4858&co ntent=review&left=grade&grade=9

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 14:17
I had read your review before. I think it is highly interesting what mental images music creates within people; sadly for me the only mental image "Terria" creates is of me on a long and winding road in the midst of a heavy thunderstorm (the music on the album), and somewhere in the distance there is a cottage where i will find shelter (the album's end).
But you may look forward to something: Jean and I have decided that IF (there is a big question mark behind this "if" though) we ever make a 2nd album, it will be a prog-metal one, or at least how WE think prog-metal should be.
The album will have the title "Bald Heavy Metal Angels", by the way.


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