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Topic: Coheed and Cambria
Posted By: video vertigo
Subject: Coheed and Cambria
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 03:31
Friday night I read my local paper and in the concert section was a 1 page article describing a band called Coheed and Cambria and prog-rock.  It described that the band was playing here locally and what progressive rock music is and why Coheed and Cambria are exactly that. 
So now the band claims to be prog, their fans claim they are prog, many members of this site agree, they release concept albums, and fit the description given by this website of prog-rock, and news journalists claim they are prog.  But still this site cannot add them to the page. 
progarchives.com, your ultimate prog resource but it includes bands that most don't regard as prog and doesn't include bands that are clearly prog.

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Posted By: GFoyle
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 03:55
Yeah, it's strange. Maybe it's because nobody has been willing to write them
a description and info about the band?


Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 08:09
I find it pretty strange too!

C&C : Great band, art rock.


Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 08:13
coheed and cambria - prog and excellent

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 08:36
Agreed. I'm sure they will be accepted ... only someone needs submit them for addition.

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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 08:42
After months of internal debate about this band, I finally figured out why simultaneously I love and hate them.  They are a progressive rock band.  They write solid, entertaining songs.  However, I think they incorporate all of the lame, embarrassing, excessive parts of prog (i.e. extremely high vocals, disgustingly long song/album titles, and a general flair for the bombastic), and few of the real progressive elements.  Also, I can't really decide if they take themselves seriously or not.  By reading the comics and listening to the albums alone, you might think they are actually serious about their music, but watching their music videos and live shows, you might think otherwise.

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 08:44

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

After months of internal debate about this band, I finally figured out why simultaneously I love and hate them.  They are a progressive rock band.  They write solid, entertaining songs.  However, I think they incorporate all of the lame, embarrassing, excessive parts of prog (i.e. extremely high vocals, disgustingly long song/album titles, and a general flair for the bombastic), and few of the real progressive elements.  Also, I can't really decide if they take themselves seriously or not.  By reading the comics and listening to the albums alone, you might think they are actually serious about their music, but watching their music videos and live shows, you might think otherwise.

IMO "taking themselves seriously" is a very important thing ... I think that Cradle of Filth's music is progressive, but they're not taking music seriously enough.

I think that C&C are genuine artists though ... intuitively, after listening to the samples.



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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 09:05
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Agreed. I'm sure they will be accepted ... only someone needs submit them for addition.


They were already turned down once.


Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 09:43

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Agreed. I'm sure they will be accepted ... only someone needs submit them for addition.


They were already turned down once.

Those were different times ... a lot has changed since then (The Band Admissions Team was not yet in place).



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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 09:57
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Also, I can't really decide if they take
themselves seriously or not.

I don't know, I think it's entirely possible to take not taking yourself seriously seriously... if that means anything


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 11:49
Jean and I have been to their website and listened to the examples there. Unless someone comes up with something better, we say "no thanks". Not prog at all.

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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 12:18
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Agreed. I'm sure they will be accepted ... only someone needs submit them for addition.
They were already turned down once.

Those were different times ... a lot has changed since then (The Band Admissions Team was not yet in place).


They should be added ASAP then!


Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 12:48

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Jean and I have been to their website and listened to the examples there. Unlews someone comes up with something better, we say "no thanks". Not prog at all.

Is this based on your personal taste or on the definition of prog that this website uses? I remember you having extreme difficulties with Rush and Devin Townsend as well. 



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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 12:58
It has nothing to do with personal taste; actually we like the music. But it isn't prog. If there is any prog in Coheed and Cambria, it is there in homoeopathic doses. You can of course suggest a new category named "homoeo-prog", and they woiuld fit very well there.

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 13:03

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

It has nothing to do with personal taste; actually we like the music. But it isn't prog. If there is any prog in Coheed and Cambria, it is there in homoeopathic doses. You can of course suggest a new category named "homoeo-prog", and they woiuld fit very well there.

You're evading the question. Are they more or less progressive than Devin Townsend?



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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 13:11

about the same level, I'd say. If this is basis for inclusion, fine ; personally I think the concept of "progressive rock" has been watered down way too much if either Townsend or C&C are included. why not include Abba ?

seriously though: please point out the progressive elements in either C&C or Townsend



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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 13:13
Jean was faster than I. I agree with her. It is hard to tell though with prog that exists in such homoeopatic doses.

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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 13:35
the videos on their website are extremely cheesy, by the way, whatever one thinks of the music

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 13:39
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

about the same level, I'd say. If this is basis for inclusion, fine ; personally I think the concept of "progressive rock" has been watered down way too much if either Townsend or C&C are included. why not include Abba ?

seriously though: please point out the progressive elements in either C&C or Townsend

Please read my review of Terria or Infinity, I tried really hard to express my thoughts about the albums.

Here's a nice review of Terria (in German):

http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?albumId=4858&content=review&left=grade&grade=9 - http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?albumId=4858&co ntent=review&left=grade&grade=9

 



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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 14:17
I had read your review before. I think it is highly interesting what mental images music creates within people; sadly for me the only mental image "Terria" creates is of me on a long and winding road in the midst of a heavy thunderstorm (the music on the album), and somewhere in the distance there is a cottage where i will find shelter (the album's end).
But you may look forward to something: Jean and I have decided that IF (there is a big question mark behind this "if" though) we ever make a 2nd album, it will be a prog-metal one, or at least how WE think prog-metal should be.
The album will have the title "Bald Heavy Metal Angels", by the way.


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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 14:58

 post a sample track when you start recording ... it's still a mystery to me what your ideal kind of prog metal could sound like.

BTW: What do you think about Heaven's Cry? In my database there are links to two full songs and several samples.



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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 15:02

I can understand one not considering Coheed & Cambria prog, the album of theirs I heard was borderline at best.

However, their new album is supposed to be pure prog.  If this is true, maybe it could be used to sway people into accepting them on the site.



Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 15:32
I thought that we recently introduced the prog related genre and added bands like Queen and Deep Purple ... there really shouldn't be any question about Coheed and Cambria. I don't even like them, but since they're on most other websites, there's no reason that they shouldn't be here as well.

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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 03:02
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Jean and I have been to their website and listened to the examples there. Unlews someone comes up with something better, we say "no thanks". Not prog at all.


I'm not sure if the samples on their website were of the proggier songs, so I don't know how much of a judgement you can make from those.  They're certainly not prog if you compare them to a band like Genesis.  But they certainly are prog when compared with their contempories, in a similar way that Queensryche are prog when compared with their contempories.


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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 17:18
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Also, I can't really decide if they take
themselves seriously or not.

I don't know, I think it's entirely possible to take not taking yourself seriously seriously... if that means anything


It is definitely possible to be extremely serious about not being serious at all.  Take the case of Zappa, or even Tenacious D.  However, there's not enough humor in Co&Ca's songs to say that this is their goal.  Sometimes it seems like they want to be a real rock band thatwrites real songs, and other times it seems like they want to be a silly pop band.


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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 17:27
Let's try to separate quality and prog/not prog. I would fight for C&C to be included ... and it's entirely possible that I'd give them 2 star ratings.

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Posted By: Cygnus X-1
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 17:59
I showed a mate of mine this site and he asked if this band was listed on here. I've never heard any but they sound prog, aparently doing concept albums etc.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 16:14
well if we have deep purple and queen on here it sort of opens the floodgates and i suppose they should be put on the archives but the songs i heard on their site were not bad songs except THOUSANDS OF BANDS BEFORE THEM HAD DONE THE EXACT SAME THING. Explain to me how doings something many have done before is progressive?!


Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 03:07
Originally posted by Franklinstower3 Franklinstower3 wrote:

well if we have deep purple and queen on here it sort of opens the floodgates and i suppose they should be put on the archives but the songs i heard on their site were not bad songs except THOUSANDS OF BANDS BEFORE THEM HAD DONE THE EXACT SAME THING. Explain to me how doings something many have done before is progressive?!


Thousands of bands have written a science fiction concept that spans 4 (maybe 5?) albums?  I've said it before - they're not prog if you compare them with the prog giants of the 70s, but they certainly are prog if you compare them with their comtempories.


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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 03:55

Originally posted by Franklinstower3 Franklinstower3 wrote:

well if we have deep purple and queen on here it sort of opens the floodgates and i suppose they should be put on the archives but the songs i heard on their site were not bad songs except THOUSANDS OF BANDS BEFORE THEM HAD DONE THE EXACT SAME THING. Explain to me how doings something many have done before is progressive?!

That doesn't have anything to do with being prog. Progressive vs. Prog. Of course it's best if a band is totally innovative. But IMO that should affect the ratings and reviews only ... not the question if the music is prog or not.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 16:20
yeah but beyond that they dont really have a "prog sound" they sound like alot of other mainstream rock bands granted i only listened to the 2 songs on their site but those 2 were not prog or even proggish in the least the only proggy thing was the fantasy style video deal with the mermaids and such and lots of non-prog bands have done fantasy before i suppose i would have to really listen to a whole album or 2 before making a final judgment


Posted By: CKY Guy
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 13:06
I don't think that this band was given enough of a chance. I'm not even a fan of Co&Ca, but I've listened to their latest album in it's entirety. While I wouldn't necessarily consider them straight up "Prog Rock", especially when compared to The Mars Volta, as every reviewer in every publication I've read feels the need to do, but they are definately "Rock Prog", if you will, Rock with much Prog influence. By judging the band solely based on their singles, you're effectively discarding them as another emo/pop-rock act, which is entirely foolish. Listen to the newest album, Good Apollo, I'm Burning Star IV: Volume 1 - From Fear Through The Eyes Of Madness. In fact, if you don't want to listen to the entire album, I suggest at least giving the first 3 and definately final 2 tracks of the album a chance, as I think it will sway your opinion. All of the tracks Coheed has made videos for, released to radio, and made available as samples on their site are the poppiest, non-prog of their songs. If you listen to the two singles from their last album you'll swear there is no way this band can be prog, but actually spin the disc and I'm sure you'll change your tune. At least give them a proper listen before discarding them as something other than prog, I feel it makes the archive look very incomplete to not even try and give them a chance.


Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 15:31
They're rather better at pop music than prog, whichever way you look at it


Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: December 01 2005 at 13:53

The material on their website displays their more mainstream side. Coheed's material includes a large array of styles, which is best displayed on, but not limited to, In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3. Furthermore, no two Coheed songs sound the same. Their progressive material is surely worthy of being included on this website. Songs such as "The Crowing," "2113," and the entire "Willing Well" series. Even the poppy material far exceeds its contemporaries. Coheed takes basic, accessible material, and expands on it. I don't think any pop-punk/rock band out there could write that type of material on par with them. Even their simplest material contains much depth and emotion, not to mention that it is all revolving around a concept, which spans over multiple albums. Much like in movies, the styles used in the songs correllate to what's happening in the story at the time. Movies don't use the same music throughout its entirity, likewise, this story doesn't. For example, the catchy, uptempo songs "33" and "A Favor House Atlantic" both take place in what's supposed to be a chase scene. The music fits the part.

Also, I have seen them numerous times live. They are great musicians, and they can pull of an extended improve jam quite well.

I would reconsider them for addition to the site. I would elaborate further, but I am on a tight schedule.



Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 04:54
I currently have their latest album in my car, but I've only heard the first 3 or 4 tracks so far, so I cannot comment, but I will give the album two or three listens.  The first track was interesting and reasonably progressive I would say.

My friend likes them and is now into Rush as well, so they certainly are not a bad thing for prog rock, they are helping the genre.


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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 09:37
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I currently have their latest album in my car, but I've only heard the first 3 or 4 tracks so far, so I cannot comment, but I will give the album two or three listens.  The first track was interesting and reasonably progressive I would say.

My friend likes them and is now into Rush as well, so they certainly are not a bad thing for prog rock, they are helping the genre.


I mentioned in another forum that I think C&C belong in the Prog realm.  I think they are pushing limits by today's Modern Rock standards towards Prog Rock.  I certainly hear enough elements that show they are very creative in this genre.  If Radiohead can be considered Prog and C&C not, I fail to see the reasoning.  Both bands produce Modern Rock that is outside the boundaries of this genre.

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Posted By: TheOracleIV
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 15:32
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

After months of internal debate about this band, I finally figured out why simultaneously I love and hate them.  They are a progressive rock band.  They write solid, entertaining songs.  However, I think they incorporate all of the lame, embarrassing, excessive parts of prog (i.e. extremely high vocals, disgustingly long song/album titles, and a general flair for the bombastic), and few of the real progressive elements.  Also, I can't really decide if they take themselves seriously or not.  By reading the comics and listening to the albums alone, you might think they are actually serious about their music, but watching their music videos and live shows, you might think otherwise.


About "taking themselves seriously" Claudio actually said Coheed and Cambria started off as kind of a joke after their first band "Shabutie" fell through. Which is probably why their first album Second Stage Turbine Blade doesn't sound very "proggy", but after that became so popular it seems they've changed their style to make it a lot more progressive with In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3.

I think they should be added to the archives, I've listened to bands on here that were a lot less progressive then they were.
 


Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: December 30 2005 at 01:18

Originally posted by TheOracleIV TheOracleIV wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

After months of internal debate about this band, I finally figured out why simultaneously I love and hate them.  They are a progressive rock band.  They write solid, entertaining songs.  However, I think they incorporate all of the lame, embarrassing, excessive parts of prog (i.e. extremely high vocals, disgustingly long song/album titles, and a general flair for the bombastic), and few of the real progressive elements.  Also, I can't really decide if they take themselves seriously or not.  By reading the comics and listening to the albums alone, you might think they are actually serious about their music, but watching their music videos and live shows, you might think otherwise.


About "taking themselves seriously" Claudio actually said Coheed and Cambria started off as kind of a joke after their first band "Shabutie" fell through. Which is probably why their first album Second Stage Turbine Blade doesn't sound very "proggy", but after that became so popular it seems they've changed their style to make it a lot more progressive with In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3.

I think they should be added to the archives, I've listened to bands on here that were a lot less progressive then they were.
 

The Second Stage Turbine Blade may not sound as "proggy," but I think it's just as good as the other work.



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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: December 30 2005 at 13:46

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

They're rather better at pop music than prog, whichever way you look at it

Agree- would NOT like to see them on this site. They sound like 100 others poppy high school bands



Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: December 30 2005 at 14:05
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

They're rather better at pop music than prog, whichever way you look at it

Agree- would NOT like to see them on this site. They sound like 100 others poppy high school bands

They do not. You must have falsely assumed that by only listening to their singles and such.



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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: December 30 2005 at 17:47

'though I do not know their music, as someone has said to me in the past... we (= ProgArchives) would be relatively stupid not to include bands that are generally regarded as prog rock/metal bands.

Maybe the problem is that no-one has taken the time to write a biography for them? Or are they totally rejected?



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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: January 02 2006 at 19:21
I have listened to two of their albums the last couple of days and I sure vote in favour of their addition to the site!

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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: January 02 2006 at 19:58
they are definitely prog. "A favor house atlantic" and "blood red summer" do them no justice (although i do enjoy the catchiness) moatilata was right in that the story and mood of the songs go along together.

even if they arent listed as prog on this site, theyre definitely a great band that is unfortunately being bundled up with pop bands like falloutboy and howthorne hieghts while they should be over there with the mars volta. and system of a down should stop touring with mars volta.


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Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: January 03 2006 at 06:50
There are a few MP3 samples here for those interested
http://music.download.com/coheedandcambria/3600-8709_32-100130220.html - http://music.download.com/coheedandcambria/3600-8709_32-1001 30220.html



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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: January 03 2006 at 10:07
from the above site, download welcome home or the crowing

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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: January 03 2006 at 19:42

As a short note... under what subgenre of the progarchives database would you like to see them included? Please look at the genre descriptions when deciding.

I agree that they should be included though no matter what!  



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 03 2006 at 19:55
Art Rock, hands down.

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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 01:04
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Posted By: Mikeypoo
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 23:23

i was more of the opinion that thery should be under "prog-metal", though it definatly doesnt fit them to a Tee. At least from the songs i heard, (and very much enjoyed by the way). Maybe "prog-related" would be better. actually i believe that would be a very good sub genre for them. And i have to add... a friend of mine purchased "In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3" and i absolutly love a few of their songs. i think prog-archives should defiatly add them to the site. now i've said my piece, thanks...

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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 09:58
^ they have to much in common with prog to be dismissed to the 'catch-all' genre Prog-Related. I'd say the  description of Art Rock fits them nice!  Maybe a small twist of Experimental?

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Posted By: Mnemosyne
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:20
Art Rock fits them better

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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:29

Originally posted by king16 king16 wrote:

^ they have to much in common with prog to be dismissed to the 'catch-all' genre Prog-Related. I'd say the  description of Art Rock fits them nice!  Maybe a small twist of Experimental?

there's nothing experimental about them... theyre not doing anything new.  art rock fits i suppose.



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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:30
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Originally posted by king16 king16 wrote:

^ they have to much in common with prog to be dismissed to the 'catch-all' genre Prog-Related. I'd say the  description of Art Rock fits them nice!  Maybe a small twist of Experimental?

there's nothing experimental about them... theyre not doing anything new.  art rock fits i suppose.

 



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:49
They're not reinventing prog ... but they do incorporate an EMO vibe into the music, which makes them somewhat unique as a band with 1 1/2 feet in the progressive territory (so to speak).

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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:57

Ive just listened to Meshuggah's "Catch 33" and Coheed's "Secrets" back-to-back.I'm not suggesting they are similar but I couldnt detect any more Prog-merit in Meshuggah compared to C&C to be honest.

They are, in my opinion, prog-related and therefore whilst not a Prog Rock band they do merit inclusion....



Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 15:21
what other prog bands released 5 concept connecting concept albums with graphic novels of the story?

i think coheed and cambria should be in art rock, fosho


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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 15:33
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Ive just listened to Meshuggah's "Catch 33" and Coheed's "Secrets" back-to-back.I'm not suggesting they are similar but I couldnt detect any more Prog-merit in Meshuggah compared to C&C to be honest.

They are, in my opinion, prog-related and therefore whilst not a Prog Rock band they do merit inclusion....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coheed_and_Cambria - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coheed_and_Cambria

"Coheed and Cambria is an American Progressive Rock Band" ... I'm not suggesting that the wikipedia is always an reliable source of information (it is not), but still. The main reason for me to call them a prog band is that they're covered by prog magazines.



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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 16:15
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Ive just listened to Meshuggah's "Catch 33" and Coheed's "Secrets" back-to-back.I'm not suggesting they are similar but I couldnt detect any more Prog-merit in Meshuggah compared to C&C to be honest.

They are, in my opinion, prog-related and therefore whilst not a Prog Rock band they do merit inclusion....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coheed_and_Cambria - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coheed_and_Cambria

"Coheed and Cambria is an American Progressive Rock Band" ... I'm not suggesting that the wikipedia is always an reliable source of information (it is not), but still. The main reason for me to call them a prog band is that they're covered by prog magazines.

Wikipedia isnt a reliable source for Prog Rock designation,surely?



Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 16:24
^ I thought I had said so ... I'm sorry, but I couldn't find a link for the various articles on Coheed & Cambria in print magazines.

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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 16:54

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I thought I had said so ... I'm sorry, but I couldn't find a link for the various articles on Coheed & Cambria in print magazines.

Caught out skimming posts again!

Sorry Mike.

 



Posted By: Bowzo
Date Posted: January 09 2006 at 17:44

So are they getting added? I strongly think they should!

Just listen to 2113!



Posted By: Mikeypoo
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 22:26

I Just purchased "Good apollo im burning star IV" and although i enjoyed the album, i have a changed opinion about the band. i was writing based on limmited exposure, so to speek, and it seem s that many of the other members were and are doing so as well. Welcome home i believe is the name of the song i first heard by the coheed bunch and since my background in music is metal... i loved it! i also heard in keeping secrets of silent earth III (the song) but was less interested in it along with the poppy/emo sounding "favor House Atlantic"  which is NOT a good representation of the band as a whole for those of you who saw the video and went "YucK" as i did. that's it. with those three songs as background, i formed an opinion of the band that was very wrong and it seems that many of you here have done the same. take the time to get to know a band before you discredit them or form an extreme opinion. coheed and cambria is a much more mature band than i would have ever thought based just listening to their singles.(which are crappy IMHO)  they definatly contain many elements of a couple different genres including prog and a indie/punk influence as well... but they are doing something that is completely different from almost every other band on the market today. they have their own unique sound, blend elements of diferent styles, are a constantly evolving entity, and continuously push the envelope musically. If this is not the definition of a prog band.. then i dont know what is. i dont mean to sound like a fan boy and if i do i am sorry but they clearly, at least from my point of view, merit inclusion on this site. I would have never discovered prog if i had blown off Dream Theater as a crappy metal wanna-be after i heard the single "Lie" which i disliked. please dont ignore C&C based on their singles or videos... you might end up regretting it as i did with dream theater. thanks for letting me spill my mind... Mike



Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 23:21
I have Good Apollo IV and have heard a lot now and I'm still not enjoying it greatly.  The three tracks I like and the final track "The Willing Well IV: The Final Cut" is the best track on the album, but the rest isn't my thing.  Great musicians, great concept.

I don't think they're prog either.  They have prog moments at the beginning and end of songs, but that's about it.  How is playing a Pink Floyd style of guitar progressive?  I love the final track, sure, but it's nothing new.  I'm also not keen on Claudio's singing.  "The Suffering" is the most irritating track on the whole album and the pathetic "hey!" from Kathryn are bad and that whole song is emo (nothing wrong with emo, it's just not my thing).  But this opinion is just after listening to this one album, I've not heard anything else.


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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: January 19 2006 at 13:39
Coheed and Cambria deserve to be on here   

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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: January 21 2006 at 11:48
they are art rock by definition. f**king put them on here already

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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: January 21 2006 at 12:11
They are currently under discussion - bear with us - no need to swear

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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 03:24
What did really happen with the inclusion?

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 04:47
They have been cleared for inclusion, but the collabs cannot decide which category to put them in. Personally I would put them in Art Rock, since we have no Progressive Alternative Rock category. But I guess that when they are added they'll end up in Prog Related.

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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 05:02

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

They have been cleared for inclusion, but the collabs cannot decide which category to put them in. Personally I would put them in Art Rock, since we have no Progressive Alternative Rock category. But I guess that when they are added they'll end up in Prog Related.

I would too agree with art rock...but i dont understand why everybody is compairing them to the mars volta  Infact the band that i found could most closely resemble them musically is A.C.T

But no doubt the 4 last tracks on the Good apollo album is prog



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 05:07
^ I've never seen anyone comparing them to TMV - it makes no sense, completely different genres.

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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 15:18
I have their second album 'In Keeping With Secret Earth' (or whatever the hell it's called) and it is emo-rock to me with some prog, well some Rush-esque, tendencies to the fore. Not sure I'd call them a priority act on the site, and it's 'prog related' at best imo.


Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 17 2006 at 21:53
coheed's metal forays are eerily similar to toned-down iron maiden riffs


Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 22:33
Resurrected for Rael! 

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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 22:49

Hey thanks a lot Trotsky.  I'm new, so you will have to excuse my newbieness until I get the swing of things.

I think they should be added to the list, but I am just starting to really delve into prog rock, so I may not have the best understanding of what prog, and what this site considers prog, but all I know is I really dig these guys. 

Their first album Second Stage Turbine Blade is definatly not prog, even though I still really like it.  Whether they belong on the list or not, they are still 10 times more progressive than the trash mtv spews, when they actually decide to spew it.



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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 15:26

Magazines persist in calling them a prog rock act, but I persist in my doubts- concept albums do not a prog band make, else we'd have Hall and Oates, The Osmonds and David Cassidy here!!

I think there's no sense in having them here whilst bands like Iron Maiden, Helloween and Rainbow are going to be vetoed as to these ears, I can relate far more to any of those bands' prog themes than C & C's, yet I wouldn't vote yes to any of those being here, therefore I wouldn't have done for C & C either... Still prog related at best, imo, if they are going to be added.




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