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    Posted: August 01 2019 at 08:35
With my review, just posted, http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=2241329 , I saw that (I think for the first time) Wish You Were has overtaken Thick As A Brick, which slipped to fourth place.

In this regard, in the last 4 years I have seen some trends within the Top 10.

Four years ago, Thick As A Brick was in second place, then it moved to the third, overtaken by Selling England By The Pound and finally, after being approached slowly by WYWH, today he moved to the fourth (perhaps it would take only one review by a prog reviewer with 5 stars to make him recover). I also noticed another trend: Nursery Crime 4 years ago was in the top 10, I think even in eighth place (or ninth?), today it is the thirteenth: his was a long descent. It has benefited Godbluff who was eleventh place four years ago and is now in tenth, so fortunately the Van Der Graaf have an album (in my opinion the wrong one) in the top 10.


Incidentally, I contributed with my reviews to both trends: 4 years ago I gave Thick As A Brick three stars, contributing to lowering the score, and almost a year ago I gave three stars to Nursery Crime, helping to bring it down to score. Just like today with the 5 stars given to Wish You Were, I helped make it move to third place. Obviously, this is neither a merit nor a demerit on my part, I am only pointing out the fact that I participated in a trend (right or wrong according to taste) to which several reviewers contributed, and therefore with this post I limit myself to point out this trend because many internet users who come to this site first look at the top 10 (or 20) albums at all times, and therefore this ranking is a sort of PA presentation, so I think it's important to be aware of the historical variations that is having.


Edited by jamesbaldwin - August 01 2019 at 08:39
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Does that mean i should like it more now? LOL. The only think i like about chart moving activity is that you pushed Comus up several notches. That album should be in the top 20 at least :)

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You are a numbers guy, aren't you ?
Giving an album "Medium quality of the songs: 7,875" makes me wonder I've been overlooking  something ermm  Ermm important.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Does that mean i should like it more now? LOL. The only think i like about chart moving activity is that you pushed Comus up several notches. That album should be in the top 20 at least :)

First Utterance is a great album but at the moment in my ranking there are four
records that separate all the others and to which I'd give 6 stars: three of the VdGG and Rock Bottom.

But there are still many albums among the ones I know that I have to listen to and evaluate well, and then others that I must listen for the first time: my musical knowledge is still not as wide as yours.

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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

You are a numbers guy, aren't you ?
Giving an album "Medium quality of the songs: 7,875" makes me wonder I've been overlooking  something ermm  Ermm important.

Numbers and average quality of the songs help me to to give a balanced numerical rating, as fair as possible, so as to create a certain order, but the final rating I give to an album depends not only on the average quality of the songs but on the whole of the record.

Then, in giving a rating to the songs, I don't have a mathematical algorithm, I don't believe in the perfect album in its structure, otherwise I would immediately give 5 stars to Close to the edge: instead I am more excited about Van Der Graaf because I feel a lot of pathos in their music and in Hammill's voice and I believe that the ability to engage, to create emotions is fundamental in evaluating an album, and this is a bit the opposite of mathematics: for me beauty has to do with emotions more than with the perfection of musical writing.
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Pfffft....2 albums I don't often listen to anyway. There are so many interesting things out there...that I simply don't play those 'classics' that much any more.
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I noticed court recently overtook WYWH, now we just need Moonmadness to overtake everything ahead of it...

All jokes aside, cool, can’t say either WYWH or TAAB would be in my top 5, but it’s cool to see movement

I do think wywh is a better album, that one is probably top 15 for me

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WYWH is brilliant, and Aqualung should be head and shoulders over TAAB.
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If I remember correctly, when I first started checking out PA, even before joining the forum (more than 10 years ago, I guess near 15), Wish you were Here was first place. I don't remember so well the changes, and I have checked them even less latley (I think they don't even appear in the first page anymore, which makes it more difficult to pay attention to them), however, I do remember Selling England has been in number 1 too. I guess right now it's CttE?
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Wish is a 3.5 star and Thick 4.5 star
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

WYWH is brilliant, and Aqualung should be head and shoulders over TAAB.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

WYWH is brilliant, and Aqualung should be head and shoulders over TAAB.
 

Agree with the first comment but not with second.

Wish You Were Here is such a beautiful album . Rick's synths are like bathing in warm sunshine and the lyrics mean something. Title track may be my very favorite song of all time (close run thing with Solsbury Hill)

I love the title track for Aqualung but I wish they had made that longer. TAAB is when they fully crossed from being a blues rock band to all out prog imo. It's a wonderfully ambitious album that appears was slightly accidental on purpose. Anderson was not keen it seems on taking Tull in that direction but it had to happen anyway.
I seem to remember it being NO1 on the chart in the early days. I can remember even starting a thread asking was it really the best prog album.

 
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A bit ironic given all the love/hate TAAB has been getting in the new threads, yeah? LOL

This is actually really cool to see to me. Numbers are numbers, but it is neat to see PA quantified in some sort of sense, even if it's ultimately still art and opinion. Very refined and well-argued (most of the time, lol) opinion, none the less.

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

If I remember correctly, when I first started checking out PA, even before joining the forum (more than 10 years ago, I guess near 15), Wish you were Here was first place. I don't remember so well the changes, and I have checked them even less latley (I think they don't even appear in the first page anymore, which makes it more difficult to pay attention to them), however, I do remember Selling England has been in number 1 too. I guess right now it's CttE?

My first thought in this thread has been "Was CTTE always #1, and if not, how long has it been #1?". I've been visiting PA since I got serious about progressive music around 2007-2008. I can't recall what the top 100 was like! Someone enlighten me!

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Pfffft....2 albums I don't often listen to anyway. There are so many interesting things out there...that I simply don't play those 'classics' that much any more.

How dare you, good sir?! How are you TOO GOOD to eat your breakfast whilst listening to the PA top 10 endlessly, and with no diminishing returns in enthusiasm the entire process? What, you're too cool for that?! And you call yourself a prog fan?! LOLWink

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

WYWH is brilliant, and Aqualung should be head and shoulders over TAAB.
 

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

WYWH is brilliant, and Aqualung should be head and shoulders over TAAB.


Um no. Loco breath, Wind up and My God are just standard compositions. Taab is genius. I think you need to be over 40 to understand. Although only some 40 + are smart   

Edited by dr prog - August 02 2019 at 03:26
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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

WYWH is brilliant, and Aqualung should be head and shoulders over TAAB.


Um no. Loco breath, Wind up and My God are just standard compositions. Taab is genius. I think you need to be over 40 to understand. Although only some 40 + are smart   
 


I like TAAB but I don't find anything particularly ingenious in TAAB's music: the fact that it's a single suite doesn't automatically make it a brilliant composition. Instead I find My God surely above JT's standards: it's very brilliant and enthralling, and I consider it in contention for the best Jethro Tull song. 
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

WYWH is brilliant, and Aqualung should be head and shoulders over TAAB.


Um no. Loco breath, Wind up and My God are just standard compositions. Taab is genius. I think you need to be over 40 to understand. Although only some 40 + are smart   
 


I like TAAB but I don't find anything particularly ingenious in TAAB's music: the fact that it's a single suite doesn't automatically make it a brilliant composition. Instead I find My God surely above JT's standards: it's very brilliant and enthralling, and I consider it in contention for the best Jethro Tull song. 


My god is just a repetitive riff. It’s good but probably 6th best on the album for me. The quad version is better though. The extra layering of vocals fixes the growly squeely voice Ian decided to use on side 2. Side 1 is classic Tull. Heavy folk prog rock. Side 2 should have made use of great Tull such as Up the pool, Wondring again, Just trying to be, For later, Bogenbroom etc. 1971 one of tulls best years. Tull had busy ballsy smart compositions. They didn’t have to run to the mellotron to make a good track
Can’t wait for Stormwatch remix. Double album worth. It’ll contain more strong tunes than any other Tull year. Best band of the 70s comfortably. Horses and Songs were great remixes too. All the remixes are excellent. There’s a reason they’re all ranked 4.5 stars. Love the 74 and 76 outtakes. Better than the album stuff

Edited by dr prog - August 02 2019 at 06:23
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Neither of these albums would make my top 10 (although they're both very fine albums)
 
If it was my ranking then they would both drop out the top 10
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WHO CARES ????



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Stop looking at these PA top whatever lists (they're rigged, skewed, fixed and cheated anywaysClown), it ruins your brains and waste your life

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I vaguely recall "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" so am sure I must have heard WYWH once.
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