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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I'm probably repeating myself but the music matters much more than if an artist is gay or not.  I mean, is there such a thing as gay music anyway?
 
 
I'm probably repeating myself but the music matters much more than if an artist is gay or not.  I mean, is there such a thing as gay music anyway?

Probably.

Here, as much as you like:  http://www.queermusicheritage.us/2012.html
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Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:


I'm probably repeating myself but the music matters much more than if an artist is gay or not.  I mean, is there such a thing as gay music anyway?


Yes there is.




On topic,  Spock's Beard had a funny tune about a gay guy in the closet but other than that I don't know anyone with prog songs on that topic. I don't think even gay musicians write about it that specific.
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If you want to go to crude, there is always Frank Zappa...
I love the line: "His evening's not complete without some meat in the seat."


Edited by Slartibartfast - March 21 2012 at 19:23
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I'm probably repeating myself but the music matters much more than if an artist is gay or not.  I mean, is there such a thing as gay music anyway?
 
 
I'm probably repeating myself but the music matters much more than if an artist is gay or not.  I mean, is there such a thing as gay music anyway?

Probably.

Here, as much as you like:  http://www.queermusicheritage.us/2012.html


WTF???

rushfan4 and I were having a wonderful time with Slarty repeating himself (probably).Wink

We didn't ask for the gay music link.  (That was kinda like calling and ordering a pizza and some guy showing up
at you door with spinach quicheShocked)
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I'm probably repeating myself but the music matters much more than if an artist is gay or not.  I mean, is there such a thing as gay music anyway?


Actually there is, if we include openly gay artists whose lyrics speak directly to the issues of homosexual attraction, gender identity, and discrimination.

The "Queercore" music scene has been on the fringes of punk rock for years. Perhaps the most well known of these bands is Pansy Division who have been around for some 20 years and were championed by Green Day.

Perhaps not their best song, but a good sampling...



Not only in punk but in rap music, there are also uncloseted artists who speak directly to being gay. God-des and She being one prime example...



Of course their music is for all to enjoy... gay, straight and everyone in between!
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Man, it's pretty stunning how little LGBT representation there is in prog, in terms of both musicians and fanbase. I knew there wouldn't be that many, but I think this whole thread is up to less than 7, which is insane considering that it's 9 pages long. 

Edited by 40footwolf - March 21 2012 at 21:30
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

In the course of many edits, I phrased this question many ways, but I'm just going to go with this:

Why is homosexuality a defining characteristic when it comes to music?

It's not, though.


I apologize.  That isn't what I wished to say.  What I don't understand is why homosexuality is such a "thing."  I mean, I'm heterosexual, but I don't go about advertising it or making a thing of it.

I don't go about making a thing of whom I f**k.  That's all I'm wondering: Why is it that the fact that some man f**ks a man or some woman likes a woman so important to us?  It isn't to me.  I don't regard their sexuality as a different "class of prog."

I'm going to try to explain this as best I can, and I'm going to do so with starting off by asking this question: Why did you join ProgArchives.com to begin with?

If you're like me, you did it because you wanted to talk with other like-minded people about progressive rock and all its various subgenres. Chances are not a whole lot of your friends are very into this kind of music and so you see this place as a way to interact with like-minded people who understand your taste and can converse and relate with you about it. 

This is why it's important that the LGBT community is able to identify itself and the members within it. They need to know that there are other people like them out there, who understand their struggles and the lens through which they view the world-one which is very often considerably divorced from how your typical straight person views it. So to take that a little further, wouldn't it be nice for someone of this community to be able to see people like themselves reflected in the music they listen to? Do you ever notice how people from smaller countries, often in South America and Eastern Europe, will champion bands from their area in a way that, say, people from America won't? By which I mean, an Ecuadorian is likely to feel a lot more solidarity with a band from their home country by virtue of that band being from Ecuador, than an American is likely to feel with their band simply by virtue of that band being American. 

This is how it is with the LGBT community: It's not very well represented in progressive rock or metal, so every musician and fan that identifies as such is something of a revelation. It makes you feel more like you're part of the community you love so much. And if wanting to be a part of a community that gets your tastes and mindset isn't something you relate to, well, I simply don't believe you-why else would you have joined PA to begin with?!

(I identify as bisexual, by the way, so this is coming from a position of experience)
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Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

I'm not asking for prog that sounds gay, which arguably would be most of it from the '70s considering the obvious flamboyance (capes, long girly hair, etc.



Yiipess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I just re-read this and I noticed how you completely trashed 1970's prog, which was only the first and best prog of all time and really only a few artists "over did it" like Bowie or Freddie Mercury.  You want gay looking music???,  Well the telephone is ringing:  Its the 1980's calling baby!  All those hair bands, Loverboy, Billy Squire, Flock of Toliet Bowl Lickers er.. Flock of Seagulls...   C'mon man.!!!!!

How can you get more gay than Lover Boy or Frankie Does Hollywood or that cross dresser Boy George??
Please don't confuse the 70's with the 80's.Cry

 I withdraw my support for this thread until you apologize for trashing as you say "most of it"(that the 70's) sound gay. Angry

Oy Vey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ouch


A cape makes somebody gay?  So is Superman gay?

If a man has long "girly" hair is he gay?  Was Christ gay?  Was Fabio gay?  (Oops don't answer that!Wink)

Man, you deal in some major stereotyping in this part of your post


OK, lets calm down (mostly meWink) and look at this objectively:

ELP - How do they sound gay?
YES - How do they sound gay?
Pink Floyd - How do they sound gay?
RUSH - How do they sound gay?
Nektar - How do they sound gay?
Genesis - How do they sound gay?
Led Zeppplin - How do they sound gay?
Gentle Giant - How do they sound gay?
Alan Parsons - How do they sound gay?
Deep Purple - How do they sound gay?
Renaissance - How do they sound gay?

WTF???



Edited by dennismoore - March 21 2012 at 21:51
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^ I mean, I love Genesis, Renaissance and Yes, but '70s prog is fruity as all hell, those bands included. High-pitched vocals, lyrics based on fairy tales and the whole tight pants/billowing open shirt thing don't exactly come across as the most masculine traits. And frankly that's one of the things I love about them. I don't consider whether or not music sounds "gay" to be a positive or a negative, just an aspect. Queen is about the gayest sounding music around and it's phenomenal; Muse is pretty gay themselves ("NAOR TIME IS RROOOOOOOOAWWWWWWNNNNNING OWWWWWWWT") and they completely suck. 
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Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

I'm not asking for prog that sounds gay, which arguably would be most of it from the '70s considering the obvious flamboyance (capes, long girly hair, etc.



Yiipess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I just re-read this and I noticed how you completely trashed 1970's prog, which was only the first and best prog of all time and really only a few artists "over did it" like Bowie or Freddie Mercury.  You want gay looking music???,  Well the telephone is ringing:  Its the 1980's calling baby!  All those hair bands, Loverboy, Billy Squire, Flock of Toliet Bowl Lickers er.. Flock of Seagulls...   C'mon man.!!!!!

How can you get more gay than Lover Boy or Frankie Does Hollywood or that cross dresser Boy George??
Please don't confuse the 70's with the 80's.Cry

 I withdraw my support for this thread until you apologize for trashing as you say "most of it"(that the 70's) sound gay. Angry

Oy Vey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ouch


A cape makes somebody gay?  So is Superman gay?

If a man has long "girly" hair is he gay?  Was Christ gay?  Was Fabio gay?  (Oops don't answer that!Wink)

Man, you deal in some major stereotyping in this part of your post


OK, lets calm down (mostly meWink) and look at this objectively:

ELP - How do they sound gay?
YES - How do they sound gay?
Pink Floyd - How do they sound gay?
RUSH - How do they sound gay?
Nektar - How do they sound gay?
Genesis - How do they sound gay?
Led Zeppplin - How do they sound gay?
Gentle Giant - How do they sound gay?
Alan Parsons - How do they sound gay?
Deep Purple - How do they sound gay?
Renaissance - How do they sound gay?

WTF???


First of all, that was just an attempt at humor to start the thread off on a lighthearted note -- I enjoy classic prog or else I wouldn't have registered.

But your argument implies that "gay" is simply a derogatory term. Even catfood03 recognized the *sterotypical* gay quality in classic prog. 

Anyway, I'm sorry and I suppose I withdraw my comment.

It's worth mentioning that I'm the gayest heterosexual man I've ever met.


Edited by colorofmoney91 - March 21 2012 at 23:14
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Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

 

Here, as much as you like:  http://www.queermusicheritage.us/2012.html


WTF???

rushfan4 and I were having a wonderful time with Slarty repeating himself (probably).Wink

We didn't ask for the gay music link.  (That was kinda like calling and ordering a pizza and some guy showing up
at you door with spinach quicheShocked)


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Hah!  The old pizza/quiche delivery guy routine....bad imagery!!  
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Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

I'm not asking for prog that sounds gay, which arguably would be most of it from the '70s considering the obvious flamboyance (capes, long girly hair, etc.



Yiipess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I just re-read this and I noticed how you completely trashed 1970's prog, which was only the first and best prog of all time and really only a few artists "over did it" like Bowie or Freddie Mercury.... 
 
 I withdraw my support for this thread until you apologize for trashing as you say "most of it"(that the 70's) sound gay. Angry

Oy Vey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ouch

ELP - How do they sound gay?
YES - How do they sound gay?
Pink Floyd - How do they sound gay?
RUSH - How do they sound gay?
Nektar - How do they sound gay?
Genesis - How do they sound gay?
Led Zeppplin - How do they sound gay?
Gentle Giant - How do they sound gay?
Alan Parsons - How do they sound gay?
Deep Purple - How do they sound gay?
Renaissance - How do they sound gay?

WTF???


First of all, that was just an attempt at humor to start the thread off on a lighthearted note -- I enjoy classic prog or else I wouldn't have registered.

But your argument implies that "gay" is simply a derogatory term. Even catfood03 recognized the *sterotypical* gay quality in classic prog. 

Anyway, I'm sorry and I suppose I withdraw my comment.

It's worth mentioning that I'm the gayest heterosexual man I've ever met.
 
Ok, now I am a happy camper once again.LOL   I renew my support to your thread.Tongue
 
However, I do take exception when you say my argument implies that "gay" is simply a derogatory term.  My argument
was simply and limited exactly to the 1970's as you described it.  I have lived through the 70's till now, (yep old ticker still beatin) and in relative terms(compared to other decades) the 70's were the least of all these, whether it be seemingly gay or hetero or image conscience or trendy or whatever adjective you wanna use.  The 1970's were all about the music baby!!!!!!!!!!  We have not seen a decade since then so focused on music and its performance. Big smile.
 
Ok, now we can move on and I can devote the rest of my life trying to figure out what the heck you meant when you said you were "the gayest heterosexual man (you've) ever met."
 
Is this like quadruple negative logic???  I can 't even begin to figure out what that means. Confused
 
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I don't know. I feel somewhat ambivalent about offending a heterosexual man in my thread dedicated to homosexuality in music.

I've been trying to abandon this thread entirely because I'm appalled at the amount of people who don't get it.


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One band that may be of interest (though not wholly prog) is King's X.
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Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

 
I've been trying to abandon this thread entirely because I'm appalled at the amount of people who don't get it.
 
What is it that people aren't getting? 
 
The only problem I see in this thread, is that you asked about prog and  virtually all the replies have been about rock, so that wasn't what was asked about in your post. 
 
And then... this guy Chuck from Chicago shows up at my door with a delivery of Spinach Quiche.Shocked  So I think
I am more confused then ever.Confused
 
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Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:


Yiipess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I just re-read this and I noticed how you completely trashed 1970's prog, which was only the first and best prog of all time etc



It's official, I can no longer take anything you post seriously.
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:


Yiipess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I just re-read this and I noticed how you completely trashed 1970's prog, which was only the first and best prog of all time etc



It's official, I can no longer take anything you post seriously.
 
Dear Dino-Tierra,
 
GotchaBig smile   What on Earth made you think I have ever posted anything seriously in the entire forum.???Wink
 
Ok, but to be serious(which I am told by a mod that I must do once in at least each ten posts...) here we go:
 
How can you possibly argue with this?Confused (Unless you are 13 years old and think Justin Bieber is the best
and only artist on the planet.)
 
Prog came from the 1970's so my premise is 50% correct already, and for you to win the remaining 50% you must supply
the prog bands from another decade who beat:
 
Pink Floyd - Genesis - YES - ELP - Nektar - Renaissance - Gentle Giant - King Crimson - UK - Led Zepplin
Jethro Tull - Alan Parsons Project...(and these are just some silly English geezers that pop out of my head...
 
How bout we continue with:
 
RUSH
Kansas
Pat Metheney
...
 
 
Ok, now it is your turn... Tongue
 
 
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No, I meant the rest of your post starting at that point and figured nobody wanted to have the entire thing quoted again

Besides, the roots of prog are in classical music (but that's not what I take issue with at all).  Also I like 40footwolf's answer to the post in question.


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Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

 
I've been trying to abandon this thread entirely because I'm appalled at the amount of people who don't get it.
 
What is it that people aren't getting? 
 
The only problem I see in this thread, is that you asked about prog and  virtually all the replies have been about rock, so that wasn't what was asked about in your post. 
 
And then... this guy Chuck from Chicago shows up at my door with a delivery of Spinach Quiche.Shocked  So I think
I am more confused then ever.Confused
 
Well, lo and behold and from on high, i just had a vision, Chuck Stack, why don't you forget all about the Environment and Music completely, and devote yourself soley in the future to delivering Quiche!LOL
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