LGBT in Progressive Rock
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Topic: LGBT in Progressive Rock
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Subject: LGBT in Progressive Rock
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 15:16
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inb4 "This thread isn't going to end well" and other variations. inb4 "lol ur gey" and other variations. I'm a supporter of the LGBT community and I like to honor their spokespeople such as Harvey Milk, Neil Patrick Harris, Elton John, and Ellen DeGeneres. Now that the Dharun Ravi v. US case is now underway, though tragic, has somehow sparked an interest for me in learning about LGBT musicians in progressive rock or otherwise progressive music (other than Freddie Mercury). There was http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6610&PN=1" rel="nofollow - this thread back in the day that kind of touches on the subject but it was a bit vague in scope and didn't really offer much helpful information from contributors. I'm not asking for prog that sounds gay, which arguably would be most of it from the '70s considering the obvious flamboyance (capes, long girly hair, etc.), but I'm instead looking for specific progressive rock musicians and hopefully to offer an opportunity to recognize them appropriately if their musicianship sticks out in anyway, given their unique stance in their personal lives. If you're gonna be a dick then don't bother to post, but if you're an admin who seriously sees an ethical problem with this thread then definitely do feel free to close it.  ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 15:18
| If you are including post rock, the only person I can think of off the top of my head is Jonsi. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 15:21
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Jonsi is gay? :D Seems obvious now, and he definitely does have a unique style worth mentioning, both as a solo artist and with Sigur Ros. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 15:30
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I don't care of anybody's sexual tastes unless they involve me directly and it doesn't happen often, ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 15:32
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Incidentally, there's a band listed on PA named "Harvey Milk". They're one of my favorite bands, from Athens GA (right down the road!). It's unclear to me whether they're actually gay or not (not that I care really), but it is clear that they're not using his name in an ironic/joking manner either. They fall under "experimental/post-metal" here, and they play art-damaged sludge. I was pleasantly surprised to see them in the database, to be honest - I would never have thought of them as prog or prog related. I guess a lot of stuff is prog now.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 15:33
Maybe because I'm not too dissimilar from my avatar  ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 15:51
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I really don't see much point in "Elton/Freddie/Jonsi is gay" or "ABC bassist from XYZ band is gay". Rather, keeping in mind open-mindedness (artistic and otherwise) of prog community I would like to hear about some elaborate lyrics/storytelling. We have some brilliant lyricists in prog rock, touching the topics of religion, philosophy, life and death, politics and whatnot...I guess LGBT topic was occasionally visited too. I know a number of such songs which belong into good pop, but not any from prog sphere (except Queen, which were most lascivious when they were most complex, and...Arnold Layne perhaps). |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 15:51
------------- What? |
colorofmoney91 wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 15:58
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LGBT? WTF? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 16:00
I was going to include in my OP, but neglected to, that I was hoping to hear from songwriters in prog who have written lyrics based on their personal viewpoint of them being LGBT. But I did mention that I don't care much for simply "X is gay" but I instead hope for pointing out musicians who meet the criteria and who also have their own unique style that could be celebrated. For example, Jonsi has a unique artistic style that can be heard in his voice, in his songwriting, and even in his music videos, whereas another "gay musician X" might sound just like everyone or anyone else. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 16:00
LOL WTF ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 16:01
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 16:01
I agree with that  ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 16:02
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 16:03
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I knew that. Bi the way I am totally supportive as well. "It's only water in a stranger's tear." It's no skin off my back if consenting adults have sexual and relationship freedom and enjoy things that are different than I do. Proggers really don't usually make a big deal about their sexuality. So you know this thread can only go so far anyway. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 16:12
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Good to know ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 16:50
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The name eludes me, but there was that guy who played with Jethro Tull that is now a woman.
Edit: David Palmer, who is now known as Dee Palmer. Played keyboards for Jethro Tull during the 70's. ------------- 
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:01
She seems to be moderately accomplished. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:03
I vaguely remember hearing about that. Reminded me of Walter Carlos who became Wendy. I've got a couple albums by Wendy - The Beauty In The Beast and Digital Moonscapes. The first one is a masterpiece, the second one I listed is rather dull. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:07
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Well I like Elton John. In the 70s at least.
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:16
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I find it odd that people have a need to categorize others by who or what they have sex with. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:20
Human sexuality is odd in and of itself. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:20
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I have never liked popcorn. I remember disliking popcorn long before I went to kindergarten. Folks never believe me, they're always trying to offer me some variant. "Ooooohhh, you'll like caramel corn." etc. But no I really don't like it. I don't know if I had a traumatic experience with popcorn, if my amygdala is warped or if I'm the chosen popcorn hater. I realise most folks enjoy popcorn. Fine. Have all you want. I don't want it. I'd rather have something else. I happen to like mussels which many people don't like but quite a few do. So you have your popcorn, I'll have my mussels and that's about all I have to say about that. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:21
I agree, but that's the way it is now and hopefully it will change someday. I also see no reason to distinguish between races or genders, but that's a whole different thread. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:22
What. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:24
Thank you. Had no idea. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:25
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You want to get a little freaked out. Get a copy of The Encyclopedia Of Unusual Sexual Practices. One of the "A"s is Acousticophilia. http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Unusual-Practices-Brenda-Love/dp/1569800111/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331763681&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow - http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Unusual-Practices-Brenda-Love/dp/1569800111/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331763681&sr=1-1 It also has entries on the usual suspects.
He likes his sex with popcorn and mussels.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:30
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A couple of songs by Prog bands that deal with being gay "Gyrosame" by Headstone off of their 1975 self titled album "Be Nice To Joe Soap" (what a title!) from the album 9 Parts To The Wind by Strange Days I figure that a person's sexual orientation is their business I happen to be straight, and some people are gay. Such is life. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:31
I'll gladly support that too. That book sounds interesting, I might have to check my local library for a copy. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 17:33
It is really fascinating and sometimes creepy. I'd be surprised if you can get a copy at your local library. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 18:21
I have both of those albums too! Digital Moonscapes has its moments but it is not a great album, but I agree with you about Beauty in the Beast. I also have a couple of the Switched-On Bach albums, which are interesting but I prefer both my electronica and classical more pure. Personally, I do not care what a person's sexual orientation is. As a music fan, my interest is in the music itself. I have long had friends and colleagues in the LGBT community and think it sad that many feel they have to hide their orientation (often with good reason). I have even been flattered that some of them thought me attractive, a fact that would cause some to shudder, buy that's their problem.  ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 18:28
Human beings categorize everything. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 18:33
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I've heard but never had the Switched albums. They were way out shined by Tomita. But Beauty In The Beast is a real gem.
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 18:50
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I feel like people aren't really understanding the first post... ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 18:53
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...and this surprises you because.... ------------- What? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 18:57
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You are looking for L G B or T prog musicians. If they are out there they are either out or you likely won't know who they are.
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 19:36
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I wasn't referring to you, Slarti :) It seems like people are more interested on voicing their approval of LGBT folk in general. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: gen77c
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 19:37
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ah, I thought this thread was more like LGBT fans of prog. Those who break the stereotype of just listening to Bjork and electropop and disco and Barbra Streisand... that would be interesting to know.... well, count me in there... |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 19:41
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I guess I give up. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 19:45
| Robert John Godfrey of The Enid is gay and talks about what that means to him personally to a fairly regular extent. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 19:48
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Oh cool, I've not listened to them but I've read some good reviews. I've been meaning to check them out but I always forget. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 20:37
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In the course of many edits, I phrased this question many ways, but I'm just going to go with this: Why is homosexuality a defining characteristic when it comes to music? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 20:49
| Neal Morse, though he's closeted. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 20:50
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 20:52
It's not, though. I'm mostly trying to get at the possibility that maybe LGBT prog musicians might have their own style, not as a group, but as individuals who write about their own experiences or whatever. Kind of like how Robert Johnson wrote songs about being black and sad and also had his own defining blues style, perhaps a someone in the gay community also has their very own style that has to do with their personal life style or whatever. Like Jonsi.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 20:54
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count me as a friend of the entire LGBT community, in music or not-- 'course I grew up in S.F. so I guess I really don't count. Ah well. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 20:59
This is not okay to say. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:00
I apologize. That isn't what I wished to say. What I don't understand is why homosexuality is such a "thing." I mean, I'm heterosexual, but I don't go about advertising it or making a thing of it. I don't go about making a thing of whom I f**k. That's all I'm wondering: Why is it that the fact that some man f**ks a man or some woman likes a woman so important to us? It isn't to me. I don't regard their sexuality as a different "class of prog." ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:02
Ah! Thanks for the edit! I understand.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:04
Neither do I. I revised my response to your post to make my intentions clearer. Anyway, sexual orientation doesn't mean much to me because I consider all people to be people. I just wanted to recognize and honor LGBT prog musicians on this site as kind of a "good thing" to do because of all the negativity regarding the community in the news lately (the suicides and whatever else). I just wanted to be positive. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:05
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:08
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:16
There's a difference between the music being homoerotic, which basically applies to all progressive rock but especially symphonic prog, and the musicians actually being homosexual or not |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:29
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As if we didn't have enough categories in PA already...
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:33
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:41
I have gastrointestinal problems  ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:41
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:42
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Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:42
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:46
| I sure could go for a LGBT right now. With plenty of ranch dressing. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:54
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 22:10
| I can't think of any prog musicians/singers/writers who are known to be GLBT. There may well be some. Of course, folk music has a much greater presence in this regard, mostly among individual artists, and unfortunately not extending into my beloved prog folk genre |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 22:11
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There are very few gay musicians in prog. It is a remarkably masculine and hetero genre of music. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 22:11
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Obviously the Neal Morse thing was a hysterical* joke but there is an interesting thing about artists that people "know" are gay but haven't come out. Michael Stipe from REM was an example of this (until he did come out recently) but anyone close to the band knew that he'd dated only men since the late 80's. Probably the best remaining example is Morrissey who refuses to answer any questions about his love/sex life (and always has) but, well, we all know don't we, largely but not exclusively down to how regularly references to homosexuality pop up in his lyrics. And yet there's this sort of "Well we can't say he's gay because he didn't say it himself first" thing, which I understand, it's someone's decision to come out, what Carrie Fisher did to John Travolta was pretty scummy, but it's wierd to act like you don't know someone is but you do.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 22:11
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A question I see getting raised a lot in the last page or so is -- to paraphrase as I understand it -- if we're so enlightened and tolerant of the gay sexual orientation (if in fact we are), then why do we make a point of singling it out, classifying it as if it were different from anything else? Wouldn't it be better to just say everyone's essentially the same and sexual orientation doesn't matter? But I think the point of this thread is simply to recognize those musicians who are confirmed gay, and who give us a glimpse of their personal perspective in their art. Not as a good or bad thing, but just as a perspective we don't often see in prog. Or do we? That's the question here. I think so, anyway.
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 22:12
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Prog seems to be pretty good about homosexuality though. There don't seem to be a lot of homosexuals in prog but I'm very confident that most people would have no problem with it. This contrasts very well with rap where in 2012, it's still physically impossible to get through a battle rap without both MCs describing in minute detail how much the other one enjoys being sodomised. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 22:18
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the object of one's affection is often written about in popular music, even if somewhat less in prog. That often includes the use of pronouns to imply the sex of that person, and therefore the sexual preference of the writer. If a LGBT singer/songwriter sings honestly about this, it can be construed as political, just for being mentioned. But, while equal rights do not exist everywhere, it remains a political issue which happens to be tied up in sexual preference, just as is being disabled in some way and not being provided reasonable accommodation or being treated with dignity. So, in short, it is/isn't a political issue, but it definitely is a different perspective
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 22:32
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 22:47
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You know, I mentioned to my students in my music class that Little Richard was gay and they were shocked because, and I am quoting, he didn't "sing like a gay." I asked how a gay sings and they did a sissy, feminine squeak. I was genuinely disgusted. I gave them a bit of Judas Priest, Leather Rebel and so on. (If you didn't know, Judas Priest vocalist Rob Halford, one of British metal's biggest badasses, is openly gay.) That shut them up a bit.
Forgot to mention Boy George for some reason.
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 23:19
I don't think everyone is the same - there's beauty in diversity. We're not (well at least I am not) singling LGBT artists out because of what they are. It's because of their potential life experience reflected into a song. To make things simple: if you want a song about a man who was left by his woman, there's plenty songs to choose from. If you want to hear a song that deals with specific topic of forbidden love in a fundamentalist political system - you need something more specific - perhaps a prog band from Islamabad. If you want to hear a song about LGBT issues you need a LGBT artist. Preferably a prog artist since we're talking about prog here. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 04:47
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I don't think you at all need an LGBT artist to make an LGBT song. I mean Peter Gabriel's white so that makes Biko pointless? No. You can put yourself in other people's shoes. For some people, Rod Stewart's The Killing Of Georgie is a key LGBT song. Also I once had a discussion about which musician had done the most to inject gay culture into music and I think it was David Bowie, a heterosexual. Though not gay he knew loads of gay people and was very familiar with that scene and drew on gay/transgendered culture for inspiration for key periods of his career, paving the way for male musicians to do all sorts of things they "weren't supposed to do".
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 05:13
 I try to imagine Peter Gabriel black.... ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 05:19
I do believe David is on record as being bi, but settling for straight. If there is a gay scene, but don't assume all gays are into it. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 06:21
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Goo Goo ga joob
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 06:56
Raunch dressing?------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 12:28
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Hi,
I have never worried about anyone's orientation for this or that! Why? ... because at that point it is NOT about the two folks that are together or anything else ... and I sincerely doubt that "love" or wanting to be with someone has anything to do with their gender -- and I prefer to not insult their intelligence or choice! Artist or not!
Personally the term itself, is insulting to me ... because I would no longer be a "person" that has a choice! I'm socially marked with a Scarlet Letter! And if that is your choice, I don't have to tell you the number of martyrs that have been sacrificed hoping to find some peace one day as a person! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 13:34
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^ LGBT is a self-designation used by the LGBT community as a means of recognising themselves without the innacuracy of the phrase "gay community" and all the associated excess bagage and social stigma that comes with it - it's their word, let them use it. ------------- What? |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 13:54
Come to find out that the leather and spike outfit is apparently fairly standard issue in English gay bars. I am long since over it, but initially it did come as quite a shock. -------------
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 14:49
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I really wonder if Rob Halford's coming out did more for tolerance in the U.S. and U.K. than any other single person. A huge segment of the population that probably would have been the most "Grrr, damn, fa....ts" had to look at themselves, knowing damn well they had shaken their fist at the skinny dude in leather. I know several of my motorcycle riding cousins had a bit of this.
Now, they pretty much say "That's his business. Still love the Priest." ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 15:00
There is no LGBT community only people who are L G B and T. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 15:01
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Britain's most important people for coming to accept gay people are Oscar Wilde (after the fact, when society came to regret what it did to his career) and Quentin Crisp. Though not particularly famous today, Quentin Crisp was a pioneer of gay fashion and lifestyle and one of the first people in modern Britain to be openly, unapologetically homoseuxal. He got the ball rolling and if not for him, gay rights might be in a very different state today. John Hurt portrayed him brilliantly in two films, The Naked Civil Servant and An Englishman In New York. (Sting wrote that song after meeting Crisp, hence the title of the film.) He was also extraordinarily witty and a brilliant raconteur.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 15:10
There are most certainly LGBT communities.
I have several adult family members who are out, and have found LGBT communities in multiple metro areas. People with specific interests that are not in common with the majority tend to find others with whom they can identify.
Kind of like us. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 15:10
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 15:42
I stand corrected, in that sense there are. It just sounds a bit cultish. For all who commune, I'm sure there are many others out there who don't and some who don't feel the need to. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 15:45
 Do you know what the LGBT community is? Do you know the "rainbow" flag Alan showed in the OP?------------- What? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 15:47
I think you have to start with having your genitals altered, then you could be bisexual but G and L are exclusive meaning you only have sex with your same gender. So logically speaking, I stand corrected again. And whatever your orientation, you have my total support.
Yeah, I live in Atlanta, but we don't have a gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender area of town. Some folks like to display the rainbow flag and it's a better sight than those that display the confederate flag. We also have a confederate "community" around here.  Now there's a group of folks who tend to segregate.------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Do you know what the LGBT community is? Do you know the "rainbow" flag Alan showed in the OP?Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 17:06
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I've been to Atlanta and there is a big transgender community there. Unsurprisingly though, it's mostly in the SWATS and it sounds like you don't frequent them. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 17:47
I went to high school with the local confederate community. I hated it.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 18:06
I grew up with a lot of Confederate enthusiasm around. I find it kind of weird, really. But the South will rise again, right? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 18:41
I hope not. That sounds terrible. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 19:12
Do not fear. We're far too busy working on cars that can never run, drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon until we pass out, and watching reruns of Jerry Springer.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 19:14
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 19:16
Stone Mountain is pretty cool though and I don't have a problem with the carving. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/StoneMountain.jpg" rel="nofollow">  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 19:32
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Been there twice. Enjoyable and entertaining place.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 20:03
Oh, the temptation to remove all posts that come between Rob's last post and Textbook's  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 20:47
Hush now. You only leave them there to shame us! ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 16 2012 at 10:11
I haven't been since they put up the recent "attractions". The family moved down in '72 to a Stone Mountain mailing address so I've been there more times than I can count. More times than I've been to Dixie Dregs concerts, I think. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: dennismoore
Date Posted: March 16 2012 at 10:57
Hi colorofmoney91,
First, I have experienced first hand that it is best not to talk about politics or religion, as it divides more than anything,
overall. Music is something that unites us and we all share in the joy that music brings. Having said this:
Considering all the other way off topic posts here: Pro Religion, Anti Religion, GOP... whatever, I can't imagine how anyone could have a problem with your thread, and not be a hypocrite. I try to stay clear of these threads in general, as I can have strong opinions, and I know that is not what others want to read in this forum, but I do have a very strong opinion about your thread:
Please know that as a proud heterosexual married, family man. I wholeheartedly support you. Having been raised,
Christian in the late 60's & 70's I was taught the principles of Christ, which were about love, inclusion & compassion
for my fellow man(that's men & women in 21st century parlance
 ) I am full of flaws and I try to hold true to "Let he who is perfect cast the first stone" You will see no stone throwing from me.As I get older, it is bitterly disappointing to me to see how the USA Christian movement(in general-not all) has devolved to a band of powerful & hateful temple leaders that Christ never approved of and preached against. Intolerance & bigotry are not family values and never will be, to me. This curent movement to discriminate against gays behind the hollow rhetoric of "defense of marriage" is most un-Christ-like, and offensive to me, personally as a heterosexual.
I pray for a day where people who claim to be of "faith" will come back to the actual values that Christ himself taught.
I am not gay, perhaps you are? Dunno. I could never imagine myself in a position to judge, Heterosexuals have done such evil & warmongering. What ill could I possible hold against LGBT people???
About your topic. It does seem basic rock has more LGBT artists, than Prog.. Freddie Murcury, Rob Halford, Billy Squire, K.D. Lang, Elton John, all ROCK artists. Though the keyboardist from J. Tull was mentioned here already.
I would hope that Progressive Music aspires to "progress" past simple bigotry and LGBT issues would not really be an issue here either way.
Its all about the music baby!!!!!!!
Cheers!
 Oh, and I do love dearly the music of Reginald Dwight 1969 - 1976.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 16 2012 at 11:03
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Posted By: dennismoore
Date Posted: March 16 2012 at 11:19
Having studied the bible as a young lad, I did not know I had so many options.
(The Sisters hid some stuff from me, obvioulsy.
)Slartibartfast, I will assume you posted this to ask for our preferences??
I would pick:
1st: The man & wife & concubines option. I'm guessing the concubines legally could not nag at you
like a wife can? What man needs a wife's nagging??? I regret that this option includes a wife at all.
Why not an all concubine option???
2nd: The man & wife & other wife option. Next best thing out there.
WTF category: Slave man & slave women. If I had female slaves, why on earth would I let any other man,
let alone a slave man get his hands on my slave women??? This option is just stupid dumb.
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