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Conor Fynes
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 19:10 |
Dorsalia wrote:
Dude, people have probably been saying that since the dawn of time.
"What's with these teenagers nowadays? Have you heard that new polyphonic music they're playing? Absolute rubbish!"
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stopthismadness
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 19:13 |
im 15 also, and i agree. i hate all the kids in school because they all like crap like a day to remember and the devil wears prada. i ask them if they know who yes or rush is and they look at me like im dumb. so i beat them up.
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deathlifereborn
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 04:17 |
you beat them up? you got some serious problems if you can't abide someone liking something different to you
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'What happened to our innocence, did it go out of style'
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Vompatti
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 04:23 |
I sometimes ask people on the street if they like King Crimson, and if they don't I punch them in the face.
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thellama73
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 04:31 |
You know what I hate? Skateboards. Stupid teenagers.
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Textbook
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 05:15 |
I sometimes ask people if they like things and if they do or don't I perform an action.
Thread locked.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 05:33 |
Well this is becoming a flame thread for teens to vent their frustrations.
I think from what i read here now that the impression is that teenagers are unable to hold interest for long, have short attention spans and want everything instantly in this whizz bang age of instant coffee, instant TV and instant relationships online. Instant messaging and instant success.
We want everything and we want it now. The faster the better, the more instant the better. Everything is coming at us at a million frames a second and we take it in like sponges. None of us are exempt unless we lock ourselves away in a cave and switch off the world.
Technology is the villain of the age and we are spoilt for choice. It is designed to make life easier, but our lives have become complex mazes of techno info overload. We don't even need to leave our chair to change a channel, send a PM online or email someone from Italy, and i can watch people cross the road at Abbey Road online, and then switch to Egypt and see the pyramids and then find out what is happening in Czechoslovakia and then switch back to Australia and see what is the latest news all in the space of 20 minutes.
Some people can't live without a cell phone yet when I was a teen such things were science fiction. Gasp, we even needed to dial our phones and visit a phone booth to make outside calls. Today we even drive our cars with a phone pressed to our ear or can't let a call go while we are talking to our friend. What a rude gesture yet we do it without a moments thought.
It is a faceless society, teens can't communicate face-to-face when all they need to do is text message someone across the road from them rather than cross it to meet them. And here is the crux of the problem, the generation of today is lazy and they don't even realise it, they are a spoon fed generation and everything has to be instantaneous or they are not interested and get bored easily.
My students in the classroom have a favourite phrase "Do we have to do this?" My reply, is "Yes, and you will complete the task or be back here at recess and use your own time to complete it." That usually works. But they act surprised at this alternative. But it surprises me that everytime a student is asigned a task they want to get it out of the way straight away and get on with some net surfing activity. if I set a task to surf the net for assignments then there is no problem, they will do it as it fascinates them. I hear in the class "This is stupid, i am bored." Writing tasks, putting pen to paper is almost a torture. And of course they are bored in this techno age where images are being flashed at them all day on TV and the net.
However the exceptions to the rule are out there. I have heard from them on this very thread! Some students in my class are incredily intelligent and work hard and are always the achievers, always getting A grades and consistently handing in high quality work, their work shines in comparison to all the dull work with no effort put in, and so i have to award them accordingly. it is not that they are the bright sparks so much, it is just that they provide evidence that they care and put in a consistent effort and this is awarded everytime. It is all about attitude. If the attitude is right they excel and teachers find it a joy to teach them. Their report card always talks about attitude and effort.
Back to Prog. Prog music takes a lot of patience and it is complex and not spoon fed music but takes a degree of intelligence to comprehend and i am glad to say there are many teens here who do just that and it is gratifying to learn this.
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Textbook
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 06:08 |
ACR: I'm a teacher myself and have to say, in diplomatic terms, that you seem quite out of touch. The minute you start going "Oh the world is going to hell and technology is bad and teenagers are mostly awful except for the few that confirm to my personal preferences" (not that you said that exactly, I'm facetiously paraphrasing) you're throwing up huge walls and distance. It's a war you cannot win because the clock is not going to be turned back. If you're older, you've lost.
"All this were fields when I were a lad" couldn't be less relevant. You're preparing them for the world as it is today and if you can't engage in that world today, your usefulness to them will be limited. Sure, give them a perspective and insight into the past but don't go around thinking of particular times as "better" than others and don't detach yourself from their lifestyle, particularly when I assume you condemn it without having lived it.
If you think the answer really is to lock yourself in a cave and switch off the world, fine, you go do that, but I don't think someone who really believes this is the way forward has much to offer a class.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 07:39 |
Textbook wrote:
ACR: I'm a teacher myself and have to say, in diplomatic terms, that you seem quite out of touch. The minute you start going "Oh the world is going to hell and technology is bad and teenagers are mostly awful except for the few that confirm to my personal preferences" (not that you said that exactly, I'm facetiously paraphrasing) you're throwing up huge walls and distance. It's a war you cannot win because the clock is not going to be turned back. If you're older, you've lost."All this were fields when I were a lad" couldn't be less relevant. You're preparing them for the world as it is today and if you can't engage in that world today, your usefulness to them will be limited. Sure, give them a perspective and insight into the past but don't go around thinking of particular times as "better" than others and don't detach yourself from their lifestyle, particularly when I assume you condemn it without having lived it. If you think the answer really is to lock yourself in a cave and switch off the world, fine, you go do that, but I don't think someone who really believes this is the way forward has much to offer a class. |
Alternatively, if you would like a less sarcastic response to Peter's post, this is a pretty good one instead of mine. Also, I learned more from the internet than I ever learned in my high school history class.
stopthismadness wrote:
im 15 also, and i agree. i hate all the kids in school because they all like crap like a day to remember and the devil wears prada. i ask them if they know who yes or rush is and they look at me like im dumb. so i beat them up.
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Are you a real person?
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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TODDLER
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 08:39 |
DT-PT wrote:
I am 15 years old myself, and I've noticed every band all of those I know like are either on the radio all the time or its some screamo band that everyone has heard of. I've noticed no one ever goes beyond these things or expand their horizons. They sit there listening to the same stuff and never think to check out anything.
Also, you try to introduce them to prog. If it's over 5 minutes, I often get complaints of it being incredibly long and get asked how I can possibly listen to something that long. Then they don't even give it a chance. The rare times they DO give it a chance, if the first minute has no lyrics, they complain that the whole thing is instrumental and say that a song without vocals is not music. What is that supposed to mean?
What are your guys' thoughts?
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Basically they don't deserve an explanation.....but you do. I have all this BS to offer and It is good to take into consideration what I have to say to benefit yourself Go back and research the 60's on your own. Even if you don't personally enjoy the 60's....do it anyway for the sake of understanding history. You will discover facts like Mike Bloomfield....a great blues guitarist hosted rock festivals or was well known by most people during the 60's but is now virtually unknown in the media. The Doors and Jimi Hendrix were important to the 60's no doubt but, today are the usual suspects in the media.....Also continue to research the progressive rock history as well. This will put things into perspective for you and the next time you encounter those you think they know everything but, know nothing, you will feel confident to shy away from their viewpoints and or back in the woods way of thinking. Nothing is written in stone....I still discover bands that derived from the 60's and 70's to this day. These people just base their opinions and views off what the media presents and once you know the truth regarding different time periods of music, it will be a pleasure for you to not engage in conversation with them.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 09:31 |
What's funny is that this isn't a new phenomenon. I got into prog in the late '70's and it was the same back then.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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CyberDiablo
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 09:38 |
The actual art is always misunderstood and underrated by ignorant people.
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Music is some kind of art.
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Vompatti
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 10:00 |
CyberDiablo wrote:
The actual art is always misunderstood and underrated by ignorant people.
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Art critics, you mean?
Edited by Vompatti - June 09 2010 at 10:00
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TODDLER
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 19:14 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Well this is becoming a flame thread for teens to vent their frustrations.
I think from what i read here now that the impression is that teenagers are unable to hold interest for long, have short attention spans and want everything instantly in this whizz bang age of instant coffee, instant TV and instant relationships online. Instant messaging and instant success.
We want everything and we want it now. The faster the better, the more instant the better. Everything is coming at us at a million frames a second and we take it in like sponges. None of us are exempt unless we lock ourselves away in a cave and switch off the world.
Technology is the villain of the age and we are spoilt for choice. It is designed to make life easier, but our lives have become complex mazes of techno info overload. We don't even need to leave our chair to change a channel, send a PM online or email someone from Italy, and i can watch people cross the road at Abbey Road online, and then switch to Egypt and see the pyramids and then find out what is happening in Czechoslovakia and then switch back to Australia and see what is the latest news all in the space of 20 minutes.
Some people can't live without a cell phone yet when I was a teen such things were science fiction. Gasp, we even needed to dial our phones and visit a phone booth to make outside calls. Today we even drive our cars with a phone pressed to our ear or can't let a call go while we are talking to our friend. What a rude gesture yet we do it without a moments thought.
It is a faceless society, teens can't communicate face-to-face when all they need to do is text message someone across the road from them rather than cross it to meet them. And here is the crux of the problem, the generation of today is lazy and they don't even realise it, they are a spoon fed generation and everything has to be instantaneous or they are not interested and get bored easily.
My students in the classroom have a favourite phrase "Do we have to do this?" My reply, is "Yes, and you will complete the task or be back here at recess and use your own time to complete it." That usually works. But they act surprised at this alternative. But it surprises me that everytime a student is asigned a task they want to get it out of the way straight away and get on with some net surfing activity. if I set a task to surf the net for assignments then there is no problem, they will do it as it fascinates them. I hear in the class "This is stupid, i am bored." Writing tasks, putting pen to paper is almost a torture. And of course they are bored in this techno age where images are being flashed at them all day on TV and the net.
However the exceptions to the rule are out there. I have heard from them on this very thread! Some students in my class are incredily intelligent and work hard and are always the achievers, always getting A grades and consistently handing in high quality work, their work shines in comparison to all the dull work with no effort put in, and so i have to award them accordingly. it is not that they are the bright sparks so much, it is just that they provide evidence that they care and put in a consistent effort and this is awarded everytime. It is all about attitude. If the attitude is right they excel and teachers find it a joy to teach them. Their report card always talks about attitude and effort.
Back to Prog. Prog music takes a lot of patience and it is complex and not spoon fed music but takes a degree of intelligence to comprehend and i am glad to say there are many teens here who do just that and it is gratifying to learn this. |
I agree with the above and would also like to say that "quick results" and or instant gratification Is basically the expectations that my students have of me, the teacher and what they choose to learn....an instrument and music. I have groups of kids who are a bit intellectual and wealthy who make attempts to challenge me with B+ pieces or guitar solo's. They want to test me to prove a point. It's like they are a bit too late for that. I toured a circuit of mansions and played classical guitar by candlelight in 78'. I played jazz/fusion and progressive rock for decades. I paid my dues...so why challenge me like a snot nose, when you could be learning from me? I don't flaunt or show off. I post replies to younger people on P.A. hoping that I can be of some help to their dilemma. I really don't understand what's going on in the minds of my ambitious students but, I wish them good luck for sure. The music business that I lived is now dead. There are new concepts however, they seem to be threaded with an undertaste that makes me want to vomit. It's still the big guys on top who run the business. My Space and You Tube make folks happy and content. But what is this "Everybody wants to be a Star crap"? I don't understand the abundance of a teenager's instant gratification when the reason behind it relates to being a star or a big shot. Right there is a concept that's being applied to an unworthy cause. Jimi Hendrix or Janis Joplin desired for record contracts, expressing themselves to an audience and to a degree...stardom. But it wasn't for the same intent and purpose we see in the limelight today. If anything they were more sincere about it. Of course back then you didn't see a nobody eating bugs on a reality TV show . Music in the mainstream is more about money today then it was in the 70's. Not many want to practice and not very many see the point in it. That is how technology has effected many kids. They don't want to go the distance because the importance of desire is not felt due to the quick results mentality amongst us all. Computers are just an invention or a tool for getting quicker results then what we did in the 70's. That is a positive thing but, people have developed attitudes over this invention. The invention itself has taken away the spirit which is what music is all abouit to a large degree. Built on concepts that derive from business media fakers. Ironically it is good for musicians like me who were reported to the Art Police back in the 70's for ripping into an original progressive rock piece in a N.Y. recording studio. Now I can if I want, just record music and set up a website or gain the interest of vendors who sell progressive rock. But getting a review from a critic in Progression magazine is from being in the thicket,. I teach special ed and these kids are on a mission based off what they see on T.V.....They are very abused. They are badly beaten. I try to please them and work really hard at giving them shortcuts so they will get a quick result. Many times they breakdown at the guitar lesson and cry. I listen to their problems and feel like it is my duty to give a helping hand. I try to steer them clear of the high school shooting concepts and help them to focus more on developing power through experience and growth.
They want to release their negative energy through some tragic event which was aired on TV and internet. Zappa always talked against living your life in this way. Nobody can live your life for you so, why take some example through a TV broadcast? Why is the media so influential to teenagers? There are many teenagers who are doormats at their local high school simply because they choose a different path. One that does not consist of violence. Business jerks perpetuate violence through internet sources and serial killers are rock stars. Why can't there be a law against this? instead, there is more emphasis to the importance of a race of people offended over a derogatory term. Why? When our society is being destroyed with media concepts on sex and violence. People should be more concerned with what teenagers are viewing behind closed doors due to how business is conducted in this country. It's the business idiots who are destroying the minds and mentalities of our youth.
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Textbook
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 22:41 |
Toddler: It's all about fear of death. People used to believe in an afterlife. As that falls apart, they look for media immortality.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 23:10 |
I agree with both Peter and Scott. However, you also have to embrace modern technology as well. There is happy medium between the two.
Edited by James - June 09 2010 at 23:10
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: June 10 2010 at 02:05 |
TODDLER wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Well this is becoming a flame thread for teens to vent their frustrations.
I think from what i read here now that the impression is that teenagers are unable to hold interest for long, have short attention spans and want everything instantly in this whizz bang age of instant coffee, instant TV and instant relationships online. Instant messaging and instant success.
We want everything and we want it now. The faster the better, the more instant the better. Everything is coming at us at a million frames a second and we take it in like sponges. None of us are exempt unless we lock ourselves away in a cave and switch off the world.
Technology is the villain of the age and we are spoilt for choice. It is designed to make life easier, but our lives have become complex mazes of techno info overload. We don't even need to leave our chair to change a channel, send a PM online or email someone from Italy, and i can watch people cross the road at Abbey Road online, and then switch to Egypt and see the pyramids and then find out what is happening in Czechoslovakia and then switch back to Australia and see what is the latest news all in the space of 20 minutes.
Some people can't live without a cell phone yet when I was a teen such things were science fiction. Gasp, we even needed to dial our phones and visit a phone booth to make outside calls. Today we even drive our cars with a phone pressed to our ear or can't let a call go while we are talking to our friend. What a rude gesture yet we do it without a moments thought.
It is a faceless society, teens can't communicate face-to-face when all they need to do is text message someone across the road from them rather than cross it to meet them. And here is the crux of the problem, the generation of today is lazy and they don't even realise it, they are a spoon fed generation and everything has to be instantaneous or they are not interested and get bored easily.
My students in the classroom have a favourite phrase "Do we have to do this?" My reply, is "Yes, and you will complete the task or be back here at recess and use your own time to complete it." That usually works. But they act surprised at this alternative. But it surprises me that everytime a student is asigned a task they want to get it out of the way straight away and get on with some net surfing activity. if I set a task to surf the net for assignments then there is no problem, they will do it as it fascinates them. I hear in the class "This is stupid, i am bored." Writing tasks, putting pen to paper is almost a torture. And of course they are bored in this techno age where images are being flashed at them all day on TV and the net.
However the exceptions to the rule are out there. I have heard from them on this very thread! Some students in my class are incredily intelligent and work hard and are always the achievers, always getting A grades and consistently handing in high quality work, their work shines in comparison to all the dull work with no effort put in, and so i have to award them accordingly. it is not that they are the bright sparks so much, it is just that they provide evidence that they care and put in a consistent effort and this is awarded everytime. It is all about attitude. If the attitude is right they excel and teachers find it a joy to teach them. Their report card always talks about attitude and effort.
Back to Prog. Prog music takes a lot of patience and it is complex and not spoon fed music but takes a degree of intelligence to comprehend and i am glad to say there are many teens here who do just that and it is gratifying to learn this. |
I agree with the above and would also like to say that "quick results" and or instant gratification Is basically the expectations that my students have of me, the teacher and what they choose to learn....an instrument and music. I have groups of kids who are a bit intellectual and wealthy who make attempts to challenge me with B+ pieces or guitar solo's. They want to test me to prove a point. It's like they are a bit too late for that. I toured a circuit of mansions and played classical guitar by candlelight in 78'. I played jazz/fusion and progressive rock for decades. I paid my dues...so why challenge me like a snot nose, when you could be learning from me? I don't flaunt or show off. I post replies to younger people on P.A. hoping that I can be of some help to their dilemma. I really don't understand what's going on in the minds of my ambitious students but, I wish them good luck for sure. The music business that I lived is now dead. There are new concepts however, they seem to be threaded with an undertaste that makes me want to vomit. It's still the big guys on top who run the business. My Space and You Tube make folks happy and content. But what is this "Everybody wants to be a Star crap"? I don't understand the abundance of a teenager's instant gratification when the reason behind it relates to being a star or a big shot. Right there is a concept that's being applied to an unworthy cause. Jimi Hendrix or Janis Joplin desired for record contracts, expressing themselves to an audience and to a degree...stardom. But it wasn't for the same intent and purpose we see in the limelight today. If anything they were more sincere about it. Of course back then you didn't see a nobody eating bugs on a reality TV show . Music in the mainstream is more about money today then it was in the 70's. Not many want to practice and not very many see the point in it. That is how technology has effected many kids. They don't want to go the distance because the importance of desire is not felt due to the quick results mentality amongst us all. Computers are just an invention or a tool for getting quicker results then what we did in the 70's. That is a positive thing but, people have developed attitudes over this invention. The invention itself has taken away the spirit which is what music is all abouit to a large degree. Built on concepts that derive from business media fakers. Ironically it is good for musicians like me who were reported to the Art Police back in the 70's for ripping into an original progressive rock piece in a N.Y. recording studio. Now I can if I want, just record music and set up a website or gain the interest of vendors who sell progressive rock. But getting a review from a critic in Progression magazine is from being in the thicket,. I teach special ed and these kids are on a mission based off what they see on T.V.....They are very abused. They are badly beaten. I try to please them and work really hard at giving them shortcuts so they will get a quick result. Many times they breakdown at the guitar lesson and cry. I listen to their problems and feel like it is my duty to give a helping hand. I try to steer them clear of the high school shooting concepts and help them to focus more on developing power through experience and growth.
They want to release their negative energy through some tragic event which was aired on TV and internet. Zappa always talked against living your life in this way. Nobody can live your life for you so, why take some example through a TV broadcast? Why is the media so influential to teenagers? There are many teenagers who are doormats at their local high school simply because they choose a different path. One that does not consist of violence. Business jerks perpetuate violence through internet sources and serial killers are rock stars. Why can't there be a law against this? instead, there is more emphasis to the importance of a race of people offended over a derogatory term. Why? When our society is being destroyed with media concepts on sex and violence. People should be more concerned with what teenagers are viewing behind closed doors due to how business is conducted in this country. It's the business idiots who are destroying the minds and mentalities of our youth.
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Textbook
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Posted: June 10 2010 at 05:46 |
Yes, yes, very good, safe in the knowledge that you will die before the worst occurs, you stand about telling future generations that they are absolutely screwed and no one is doing anything about it, save for a few valiant souls who vent their spleens on internet message forums.
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Posted: June 10 2010 at 07:08 |
I sincerely hope what I have said is not hurting or insulting to anyone. I may consider my dribble based on facts that derive from years of experience however, it is not an exact science. There are beautiful people in this world that are in their youth and do not allow any outside influences to rule their decision making. There were so many aspects to my generation that I hated in my youth. One in particular was "Love In's" and communes in the hippie culture. Another was "Stadium Rock" in the mid to late 70's. So, in that sense you can make a clearer judgement on past events in comparision to today's. Many people from my generation feel that today's world is completely contrived and lacking in the expression of the arts but, when I was age 17 in 1974, there was so much garbage around me that I could not stand it! In that sense the generation I grew with is no different than today's. As a teacher of music theory and guitar instruction I must volunteer that. Even if I dislike today's social environment, I can honestly say that all the kids I teach, whether they are close minded or open minded make my life worthwhile. It's worth the distance because it's about them and their growth which is a rewarding experience.
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Posted: June 10 2010 at 08:04 |
Vompatti wrote:
I sometimes ask people on the street if they like King Crimson, and if they don't I punch them in the face. |
I see humour in this due to how in the 70's, kids in high school that listened to Grand Funk Railroad for example....would want to beat us progressive underground freaks up! 50 percent of them owned Zappa and ELP albums, the other 50 percent of them hated progressive rock. There is a strange twist and pattern to this war between music and crowds for decades. Picture yourself walking into a night club with guitar case in hand every night as extreme rockers in huge amounts are shouting foul remarks and threats to the disco crowd on the other side of the strip. The disco crowd is shouting back and wanting to get physical. The cops arrive after a few heads get busted and then it starts all over again on the following night. Very strange and extreme in the 70's. I remember bully male rockers punching out a disco queen for the mere fact that she did not belong in a rock venue to begin with. These people were crazy for each others throats and it went on 6 nights a week almost every venue I played in the 70's. But then again, when you have disco clubs on one side of a strip and rock or progressive rock clubs on the other, you are asking for trouble. Now the club owners had to deal with the police 7 days a week which now the police know you first hand and that you own a rock club. Musicians were busted for drugs upon entry to clubs often. Drugs came free from club owners, managers, and agents.
Anything you wanted, you could obtain for free because you were in a band working for a respected booking agency or corporation. At any rate many of the owners sold out as they couldn't stand the headaches. Yeah....differences in music expressed through violent measures was a real scene in the 70's.
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