Why is it with most teenagers nowadays?
Printed From: Progarchives.com
Category: Other music related lounges
Forum Name: General Music Discussions
Forum Description: Discuss and create polls about all types of music
URL: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68064
Printed Date: November 26 2024 at 17:47
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Why is it with most teenagers nowadays?
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Subject: Why is it with most teenagers nowadays?
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:20
|
I am 15 years old myself, and I've noticed every band all of those I know like are either on the radio all the time or its some screamo band that everyone has heard of. I've noticed no one ever goes beyond these things or expand their horizons. They sit there listening to the same stuff and never think to check out anything.
Also, you try to introduce them to prog. If it's over 5 minutes, I often get complaints of it being incredibly long and get asked how I can possibly listen to something that long. Then they don't even give it a chance. The rare times they DO give it a chance, if the first minute has no lyrics, they complain that the whole thing is instrumental and say that a song without vocals is not music. What is that supposed to mean? What are your guys' thoughts?
|
Replies:
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:22
| Y'see, the kids, they listen to the screamo music, which gives them the brain damage. With their screamin' and their scrammin', and their bippin', and their boppin'... so they don't know what the prog is all about! You see, prog is like a Jello Pudding pop — no! Actually, it's more like Kodak film — no! Actually, prog is like the new Coke; it'll be around forever! Heh heh heh... |
Posted By: Dorsalia
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:25
|
Dude, people have probably been saying that since the dawn of time. "What's with these teenagers nowadays? Have you heard that new polyphonic music they're playing? Absolute rubbish!" ------------- "Es ist übrigens unmöglich, eine Meinung zu haben, ohne dass es unerfreuliche Überschneidungen gibt. Die Grünen sind für den deutschen Wald, die NPD ebenfalls." |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:31
And their hair and those clothes. 
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
|
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:33
I had an uncle named Stewie, and he used to sell prog albums.
....yeah teenagers have always been stupid and stubborn and closed-minded and followers of fads. Now here's a question for you: would you prefer that every teenage dolt around the world were real big into VdGG, Can, and Meshuggah? I sure don't, that would take half the fun out of it  ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:35
|
I know what you mean DT-PT. My friends and I used to love hanging out and listening to full albums together, sometimes more than one, and everyone would listen and not talk until it was over. As time went by, I noticed people in my own circle became less willing to do this, they had to talk or "go to the bar". I think its a shame if people lose the experience of playing whole albums together, but really listening, instead of talking and gabbing. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:35
Thats true. I guess I sort of enjoy being different from my peers. Still, their close-mindedness bugs me. :\
|
Posted By: sirfragalot86
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:40
|
DT-PT I agree and share the same experiences. The problem I see is they are being forcefed this garbage of music and they automatically think it is good. They have not been brought up to listen to a whole album and long songs. In fact, I actually think since they are like 15-16 they don't even have the attention span to last |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:41
|
I have a 16 year old friend - who although she listens to the likes of Nirvana, Slipknot and even Lady Gaga - also listens to more obscure stuff like Crystal Castles and Combichrist (I say obscure... they're not that well known compared to the majority of stuff people her age listen to). She's not into prog though, really. Anyhow, the reason they listen to what they do is due to a short attentio... oooh cookies! -------------   
|
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:42
|
They're not close-minded! They just don't care about your music! Most people don't! It's OK! I liked really bad music when I was your age too, but it all worked out!
Rap music. I'm not sure if Bill Cosby even knows about the existence of screamo.
------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:43
|
I'm 19, been listening to prog since ages ago. Only person I know who does, really. Sept a few mates who like some prog metal. But I prefer it this way, it lets me have passionate debates with them - and I usually win. Besides, as far as I can tell, alot of people will feel that way about music at any age. I have just as much trouble introduing an adult to, say, King Crimson as I do a teen (and in some cases, thr adult is harder... Strange as it may be)
Though I've yet to meet someone who didn't enjoy at least one side of Opeth  ------------- 'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:44
| I have to add that I don't think its about age really. My friends that can't sit still anymore are in their 40s. Likewise, I'm sure there are still PLENTY of kids who love music to devote time to active listening. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:44
As a matter of fact, it's not just teenagers that will have such reactions to long instumental filled songs. Most people of whatever age won't try anyting besides what they believe to be their "good pop stuff". However, I do believe that pop is reaching a rather low point; not that I'm very good to give that opinion since I don't really bother much listening to modern pop anyway, and I'm biased from having grown with other times pop which I did like quiet a bit. Oh, by the way, if they like those screamo bands so much, you should just show them Careful with that axe, Eugene, by Pink Floyd... now that's screaming. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:45
I don't care for them at all. |
Posted By: javier0889
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:45
In fact, scene kids tend to think YOU are the one who's being close minded, because you think all of their music sucks. They will look at you and say that, if you like Tull or Yes, you listen to "music for dads", stuff that "no one cares about", instead of what's popular at the time, and hence, "good". |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:47
And to think that Tull and Yes were relatively big with the kids in their time ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:47
 ------------- 'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:49
|
But JT and Yes is music for Dads...
-------------
|
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:50
Most of the kids never even heard of Tull or Yes believe it or not... >_> The thing is that I've given these genres numerous chances but it just never seems to appeal to me. You are right in the sense they view me as close-minded, but I don't think they realize what close-minded means. Just not liking a genre isn't being close-minded. Saying everything that goes a minute without vocals is instrumental and instrumentals are not music is close-minded. |
Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:54
Doesn't sound any different than teenagers of any generation. Prog pushed through to the mainstream in the 70's because, for a short time, it aligned with the post-hippie marijuana/LSD culture that was popular at the time. But, it could also be that you're just hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;-) I usually found that the "metal" crowd in high school tended to be the most open-minded about music, and on many other levels as well. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/ShadowCircus/" rel="nofollow - ..::welcome to the shadow circus::.. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:55
|
Teenagers think they have to fit in. They pick what is popular with most people and go with it. Of course, most of them indeed like the music they listen to but I am sure there are some who really do just listen to a band because their mates do. Unfortunately there are very few teenage scenes where prog or jazz is ever listened to and is thought of as popular. -------------
|
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:59
To add to the chorus, it has always been this way and always will be. People are always unwilling to try what you suggest to them and expect you to listen to their stuff with an open mind...which is just like you, duh!  It's nothing to do with today's teenagers. A very small percentage of people understand music (though a higher figure may listen to it) and a very small percentage of that in turn might share your tastes. If you are listening for your pleasure, what they listen to and their attitudes should not bother you.
|
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:59
I agree with the fact the metal crowd in schools are the most open-minded. Unfortunately, the metal crowd in my school is very small. My school is mostly rap and screamo dominated.
|
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:01
I don't think the metal crowd is all that open minded, having met a few of them regularly. The only open minded music listeners I find are those who don't give so much needless importance to the genre rather than the music itself and unfortunately, they has always been a small minority. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:03
Well, until you start to understand enough about music to be able to pinpoint what you like in it, that's the only way, right? It's just like watching the TV series that everybody else at home or college is. They don't usually attach any more importance to music than that and it's we on the other side who keep bothering why they don't...duh, music is not for everyone. |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:05
As a general rule, yes, I think the "metal crowd" is a very closed-minded group of people. Very exclusive and stubborn, in some ways even more so than the "mainstream crowd" (oh the terrors of the high school hallway...). But the exception is with music. I actually found my way into prog via metal, since the two have some very definite common ground. A Metallica fan may be an Iron Maiden fan may be a Dream Theater fan may be a Transatlantic fan may be a Flower Kings Fan may be a Yes fan etc. etc. etc...in that respect, yes, they are open-minded. In just about every other way, not so much. ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:07
|
^ There are some metal fans that are incredibly close minded and if the music has any quiet moment or the singer is not "Tough enough" then it's gay music.
Edit: Now, many posts came in while I was still writing mine, so I was beaten into making my point about some Metal Fans. But I guess in the end it's still valid. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:07
Quite so. Many of my friends are metallers and the majority of them are close-minded when it comes to most music. Even some other metal bands. Especially those that I usually mention... none of my friends have heard of Agalloch for instance. I have a few friends who like Porcupine Tree, Anathema and Opeth (as well as Marillion and other neo-prog) but they don't know about Riverside (although I hope my mate Martin will check them out, as he promised he would). However, they're not teenagers. -------------
|
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:08
Well, in my experience, they don't like anything without riffs because for them, riffs = God. Something like that. So maybe they branch out into prog metal through metal but that's usually just about it. I guess they are more open minded than the screamo crowd but still not very open minded at all. I know metalheads who don't even listen to 70s rock or metal because they are so besotted by the 80s crunchy tone. Think about that, they pass over all those great Sabbath albums even though they are right here waiting to be heard. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:09
You said it , I have heard them describe Bruce or Dio as effeminate. |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:09
See, but there your getting into that "screamo scene" that DT-PT was talking about. i'd argue there's a difference. ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:11
Indeed, there's a lot of segmentation within metal. You have the extreme metal crowd, the power-prog crowd and the traditional crowd. Usually, all three find a common ground in Bay Area thrash but otherwise, they generally like to make fun of the bands that the other group listens to. "Power metal is gay" has been said so many times it's not even funny.  |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:12
Not screamo, they like Bon Scott/UDO kind of vocals or just straight up punk shouts, growls and onwards. They can't take proper singing. |
Posted By: Dorsalia
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:14
 ------------- "Es ist übrigens unmöglich, eine Meinung zu haben, ohne dass es unerfreuliche Überschneidungen gibt. Die Grünen sind für den deutschen Wald, die NPD ebenfalls." |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:15
Well, yes, if melody is "gay" to you, I would say you're not likely to expand your musical horizons too much  ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:15
|
But Power Metal is gay. I have a mate who DJs at my local metal club and he's not too bad actually. He listens to Black Metal, Thrash, Black Sabbath, Ozzy, Pantera, Metallica, Slipknot, System of a Down, Rage Against the Machine and probably other stuff I don't know about. I don't know if he likes power metal though. But I also find a lot of metallers seem to like Michael Jackson... it's weird. Maybe it's due to Steve Vai.-------------
|
Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:16
------------- 'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:18
Yeah, anything 'mellow' is so un-metal and therefore s**ks. And as James says, they make the strangest choices when it comes to 'non-metal'. They tend to like glam/pop metal rather than classic rock. |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:20
|
^ Well that's ok, we could take the Michael Jackson to Steve Vai to Frank Zappa route, that's not too bad a stretch, is it? ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:22
|
At the metal club I frequent they seem to play Killswitch Engage's version more than Dio's now... This is sickening...  -------------
|
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:23
That's surprising because metalheads like to call the KSE version a travesty on metal or some such thing. Maybe the club you visit likes modern metal, the one with breakdowns and metalcore screams more. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:23
That's not always true... they love that Journey track...  -------------
|
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:25
| I couldn't even get one of my metalhead friends to listen to Rainbow. And they will listen to stuff like Dokken or Skid Row because it's heavy. And this one likes Dio by the way. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:26
That they do. They always play the same tracks by those bands too. It's usually Rage's Killing in the Name, SoaD's Chop Suey, Korn's Freak on a Leash... The worst thing they play (apart from some hip-hop) is that horrible mix of Jay-Z and Linkin' Park. -------------
|
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:26
Yeah I think we are working with several different definitions of "metalhead" in this thread.... ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:30
Metalcore could prove to be a divisive force in metal bigtime. Metal largely dissociated itself from nu metal but things have not been so straightforward with metalcore. Simply because, especially deathcore can get hard to differentiate from brutal death metal. Yes, there are differences but at some point they are not significant enough for a lot of people to care about it. Local gigs have only metalcore bands. Lamb of God had a very successful show in Bangalore last month. I think in about ten years or less time, the traditional crowd will be ruing nostalgically about what once was rather than proudly proclaiming that they would support true metal to the finish. |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:32
|
^ Sure, I mean look at me....from the prog side of things, I love Meshuggah and Death, but BTBAM? I can't really take it. Looks like I'm guilty of this too.... (except I'm convinced that my way is the right way
)Looks who's close-minded now.... ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:33
|
Oh and many metal fans seem to also like AC/DC, RATT, Kiss, Manowar and other such bands. So yes, they like the glam thing...
-------------
|
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:34
|
I like Opeth, Agalloch and The Pax Cecilia. Most other metal passes me by. I tried Batboom (as I call them) and I didn't much care for them either. Oh and none of my metal friends have heard of maudlin of the Well or Between the Buried and Me either. -------------
|
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:34
|
I couldn't quite enjoy Colours for different reasons than the metalcore elements. I don't really mind the screams and breakdowns but what metalcore bands I heard were pretty mediocre. Then again, modern thrash doesn't cover itself in glory either. I think the push to metalcore is inevitable because the only powerful alternative the true metal world has thrown up is doom metal and to expect teenage kids to listen to that is too much.
|
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:35
There is quite a large difference I find. The metal fans I know are still somewhat open-minded, at least compared to most. The screamo fans are a lot like what Dellinger said there.
|
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:35
They definitely dig that larger than life feeling with lots of delay and all. I guess they find 70s production values too humble in comparison. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:36
|
Then there's bands like Pig Destroyer who I don't understand how anyone could enjoy...
-------------
|
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:37
Look, I've solved all our categorization problems!
 ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:39
|
I seem to have had very different experiences in this matter than the rest of you. I'm 16, and my year is quite good compared to many. It's not as anti-intellectual as many, I'm part of an intelligent group that certainly aren't nerdy, and they're pretty well respected throughout the year. I haven't heard of any major metal scene in my year, maybe only a few people. Most listen to rap or super mainstream pop, there's always talk about the artist of the moment. In my group, most of the girls only listen to pop, half of the guys listen to pop and clasic or alt rock. But there's a fair few who listen to the likes of Radiohead, Muse, Coldplay. Then there's my best friend, who listens to those bands, lots of alt rock and some of my prog. We also both listen to classical and jazz, being musicians.
So basically, my situation doesn't seem as dire as many of yours. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:41
|
^^ Skid Row and poison = metal?
 |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:42
It's very hard to meet a musician, first things first, and then even harder to meet someone who doesn't have his own axe to grind and is prepared to share his tastes with yours.
I wouldn't call my situation dire. I don't bring music into socializing. Very honestly, I find it easier to deal with people who are not much interested in music than those who know a little and start talking. Because the former group is almost deferential in the matter of music and says I should take up music seriously if I like it so much whereas the latter group gets argumentative. Sports is usually a much better common ground in office discussions. We'll be talking about RG 2010 all of tomorrow. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:43
DT-PT apologies for derailing your thread into a metal discussion. 
-------------
|
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:44
Perfectly fine. I kinda predicted something like this would happen anyway. |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:45
+1....sorry, my man, it's just easy to get us carried away
------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:48
|
Also, teenagers like to dance. If they can dance to something whilst being pissed up on some dodgy alcohol, they'll do it. So naturally much pop music is suitable for this. It's a known fact you cannot really dance to metal or prog or any form of music without much rhythm. Try dancing to Rammstein... it's not easy! -------------
|
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:49
But you can headbang to it, sometimes mosh.  |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:50
|
Yes you can. But it looks stupid. Moshing always makes me giggle though. Oh and guys like to play air guitar... not good if you're on the pull. -------------
|
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:50
If you have a death wish, then I suppose you could try dancing to Raining Blood in and amongst a crowd of angry metal fans...
Drat, here we go on the metal tangent again..... ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:50
What I've always found hilarious is that if they actually hated melody, they would be listening to Kevin Drumm, John Wiese, and Merzbow, not metal. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:53
It was just a suggestion, neither do I mosh in general nor would I do that in a Slayer show.
Who cares, it's f***ing metal. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:53
They equate un-melody with distortion and growls, nothing more. |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:56
|
I know what the problem is....they're just frightened of Magma. That's it. ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:57
|
They cannot be frightened of something they've never even heard of though.
-------------
|
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:57
No, he means Christian Vander looks more brutal than metal. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:58
|
And how metal does Klaus Blasquiz in my signature look? Mmm. But I best not digress... -------------
|
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:59
He would make a fine Norwegian, grim, kvlt, frostbitten black metaller actually. |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 00:00
And here lies another question that I alluded to earlier....aren't we all just better off if they leave Magma to us? ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 00:00
|
Some of his vocals for Magma were almost Black Metal in style too... Anyhow, I'll let this thread get back on topic! -------------
|
Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 00:01
------------- 'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 00:02
|
Yes, but he's got the evil attitude. Ok, that's quite enough about Magma's metal-ness, I guess.
|
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 00:03
|
But then Rick Wakeman would feel naked. So, did Magma in fact invent Black Metal?  -------------
|
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 00:05
Yes, and Univers Zero invented death metal. F***ing metalheads don't give credit to prog rock. |
Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 00:36
|
...baaaaaaaack on topic. I'm one month 18, and I can name probably only 1 or 2 kids in my class of 250 who like prog. I'm more of a prog metalhead (moreso prog than metal), and I have had some success getting some metalhead friends to like some of my progressive stuff (and even then, I know very few people who like metal either, it's all pop, rap, hip-hop, techno, and modern alternative), but my metalhead friends still prefer the likes of bands like Cannibal Corpse, Slipknot, and the Devil Wears Prada  Even though the stuff I listen to is not accessible at all, I still think I'm far more open minded than a lot of my peers. I tried to show one of my friends a Pain of Salvation song (he normally listens to rap and electro-pop) and he pulled out his earbuds after hearing the first two notes. The other day, I was driving one friend to a party, and I was playing Close to the Edge. He ejected the disk after a minute, saying he didn't want to listen to "church music." Of course, hardly anyone I know is as big into music as I am. I can't really blame them for not being as open if they really aren't too passionate about music, but I don't think it would hurt for them to broaden their horizons a bit.
|
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 00:46
o u c h  |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 01:16
|
I think the problem stems with wanting to be in the 'In Crowd' and find a sense of belonging. Teens want to belong to be popular and to be accepted and so they overall listen to the popular music their friends listen to to be popular. When I was a teen (the 1980s!) the music that was all the rage was Kiss. Others that were not as popular were Sweet, Quatro, Gary Numan and Abba. A lot of this was from the late 70s and were throwbacks and a lot of it was electronic. I was different listening to Kraftwerks man Machine, Pink Floyd's Wall, Tull's Aqualung, Kiss The Elder back to debut album, and everything the Sweet had done. I had all the vinyl albums of Numan, Kiss, Floyd, Sweet, Quatro....
I eventually got in to metal with Motley Crue SATD, Maiden TNOTB and Metallica, first 3 albums.
Needless to say i can tell you I was not one of the popular kids. None of them were listening to this stuff. ------------- 
|
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 01:25
|
I agree 100%! It goes all the way back to my early days of high school. Even then when I was a straight up metal head, I was complaining about how all metal sucks these days. I have those music channels the direct TV, like 99% of all the new bands sucked! IMHO: Only really good metal bands post-2000 were SOAD and Lamb of God, (and now their too big and fanboys fill youtube/music forums!!! )As my musical tastes expanded I saw it's not just metal, very little good music is made nowadays.... |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 01:36
|
^ All good what is being said here
i remember as a teen often locking my self away in my room and cranking out Pin Floyd, I had Marillions Misplaced Childhood, and Kraftwerk and had no idea I was listening to prog - I was just enjoying a differnt brand of music as I was bored with the radio stuff all my friends were listening to.
I had singles of ELPs Fanfare for Common Man, I had Nights in White Satin by Moodies, I was not into a lot of radio because I was rebellious as a teen - I liked the metal scene for same reasons. I was weaned on to metal thru the metal show late night Fridays and I soon had more metal than prog. Now of course I am aproghead but metal lasted till I was 25. I still love prog metal now for different reasons.
Teens want to belong to something and if they dont belong they rebel. Thats my story anyway. I am noticing it with my daughter now - she is getting rebellious because she doesnt fit in. I am trying to wean her on prog too - we will start with Genesis... hehe -------------
|
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 01:52
| Yeah, if I ever did have kids I have to try my best to get them on jazz/prog/good metal/any good music! |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 02:05
|
I have to show this
Heres how t0 comuncate with a teen - hilarious!
"Where'd you go?" "Nowhere" "Who'd you see?" "No one." "What did you do?" "Nothin'" "You have a good time?" "Yep" That cracks me up too. -------------
|
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 02:15
|
Gotta feel bad for my parents, now that I'm older I keep a great relationship with them, but through my HS days, as well as my younger brother we gave them that sh*t to deal with! If I ever do reproduce god help this world anyway. Keep doing your part ACR and make sure your daughter listens to good music! |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 02:57
|
Roger that!
Cheers JJL
|
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 03:11
|
To the OP, well you're 15 at the moment. In 5 years time, when you gain more perspective, you'll look back at this thread you made and will laugh, seriously (and no offense intended by that). Generally screamo is just a blend of alt rock, post hardcore and emo, and eh, hate me but like some bands that play that style of music, just as I also like death metal, jazz fusion, 20th century classical and post metal for instance. It's really just time better spent just focusing on the stuff you like, discovering more music for yourself and just ignoring the stuff you don't like. Don't go around trying to "introduce prog" to people either. I find it pretty annoying when someone feels the need to want to introduce a band to me. If I care enough and just hear a friend listening to something one day and I dig it, I'll ask them what it is. But I don't go around saying "guize listen to this stuff, I like it so you'll probably like it" because that's just really annoying and obnoxious quite frankly. Let them discover stuff on their own terms and ease they way into it, not be pushed into it. ------------- 
|
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 03:15
Sorry but I couldn't disagree more. Each new decade has continued to deliver plenty of good music. Much of that is low profile of course, so you have to dig deeper. |
Posted By: caretaker
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 03:34
| That's funny. I'm 55and have the same problem.I remember my old man telling me how he got teased about liking classical music. He grew up way out in the country where all they knew was country music. (Not that there's anything wrong with that). |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 03:55
|
Nothing wrong with country?
My dad is obsessed with it and listened to it all day in his den, as a teen i grewup with his country
it made me get into metal i think. Er.... he was so pleased when I asked to borrow his Don williams albums. i actually liked his voice.
i remember thrashing Kiss Alive for the 50th time and then some Floyd and then put on Pamela Brown by Don Williams. Dad came upstairs and said 'geez its great to hear you playing some decent music for a change" - never forget that and I was a difficult teen.
now i actually teach teens in my teaching profession at college - a vicious cycle. -------------
|
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 04:56
|
There's been badass musicians in country. Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed, Brad Paisley (well okay, has some terrible songs, but his picking abilities pretty much destroys faces) etc. It's too bad country music gets associated with that crap like Taylor Swift et al now -------------
|
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 06:03
|
Country?
I think Johnny Cash was an incredible artist. i was deeply moved by 'Hurt' and 'Sunday Morning Coming Down' gives me the chills. But he was one of a kind.
|
Posted By: Wiktor Hatif
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 06:27
|
The reason why people can't listen to long pieces anymore is simple - because the Counterculture movement that was the craddle of psychedelicity and progressivity in music has ended. The reason why long and complicated pieces had a chance to get to popular music in the first place was Counterculture with its contestation and refusal to participate in the culture created by establishment and so on. Therefore, as they weren't participating in a rat race, they had time to sit down and enjoy the music, that got the opportunity to became more complex. But their ideals eventually wore off, and then came the Punk revolution with its short catchy songs, and this is the whole story. Since then, the life is only getting faster and faster, so the songs has to be short. Also there's no time to wonder about what was the meaning of the song, so the lyrics are rather simple and clear. I could explain it all better in polish, as I'm not very familiar with some terms of Counterculture movement in english. Anyway, I'm a student of Culture Studies, and I am working at this particular subject, so I know what I'm talking about. ;) ------------- "Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 06:33
|
The whole "Counter Culture" thing was just bullsh*t anyway. Once you submit to being a part of it, it just entirely defeats the purpose of it in the first place because it ends up just becoming a normal culture anyway. Ultimately the most unique sounds come about from just doing what you do and what you do only, and not caring whether you're in the "in crowd" or with the "counter culture" or not. -------------
|
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 06:35
| Regardless, it's a bit of a simplification anyway because Maiden and Metallica began to bring back long songs. I think the answer lies in what Wetton said in the interview that cstack posted in that other thread. Without an improvisational element, prog gets a little boring to listen to and personally I really would rather listen to a short song if the long song has nothing to offer that the short song can't. |
Posted By: Wiktor Hatif
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 06:39
if you'd know what Counterculture is, you would know that "doing what you do" was one of their major bywords :) Regardless how unconsequent and naive Counterculture was, there wouldn't be prog today without it. I'm writing Counterculture with capital "C" because I'm talking about this particular 60's early 70's movement. ------------- "Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 06:51
|
It's normal for teenagers to seek for music from the most accessible sources, these being, in growing order of importance: family, friends/peers, media. So it all comes to what's available at the moment, especially in the media. If the "offer" is rich, then the "demand" will sort itself - each personal sensibility will find something to fit its needs, and the spectrum of public taste will be diverse. In my opinion, the available offer in 2010 is very, very limited. No wonder so many kids dumb themselves with crap, that's what they get when they open a TV... A decade and a half ago, during "my time", I was opening the MTV each day after school, and I was finding there on heavy rotation Radiohead, The Verve, U2, Oasis, Blur, Pulp, Metallica, Marilyn Manson, Faith No More, Nirvana, Massive Attack, Tricky, plus other nice pop, electro, hip-hop, etc. A lot of stuff that I still hold fundamental for me. Would I find such a diversity and quality on today's mainstream media? That doesn't mean today's mainstream does not produce lots of nice stuff. Especially in the indie scene. But none of that can be discovered via the mainstream media. You need to find other "alternative people" to become one yourself. I am definitely not going to have a TV when I'll have kids around. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 07:03
I know exactly what it is, and my opinion is that it's was just bullsh*t. I just think it's ridiculous that some people felt the need to announce to the world they would go out of their way to be "different" and "unique". It's no better than the mindless idiots that buy into the mindless consumerist crap, it's just the same thing with a different name and I doubt the "Counter Culture" was at all necessary for the rise of prog. People want to create music regardless of whether they feel the need to go out of their way to be different or not. I don't think Robert Fripp woke up one day and said "OH HAY GUIZE I'M SO COUNTER CULTURE!" because that's just stupid. He just played guitar and liked making music, that's all -------------
|
Posted By: Wiktor Hatif
Date Posted: June 06 2010 at 07:34
You don't really understand it. I know that the most prog musicians wasn't intentionally counter culture, and the things that they were doing with music wasn't some deliberate plan. BUT the fact that the things they were doing met with such great feedback from listeners comes from Counterculture. Counterculture wasn't just a movement, it was a reflection of zeitgeist. You can think what you want but these are facts. You are just blinded by your obvious hatred of this phenomenon. I don't think it was very wise either, but I'm aware of the impact Counterculture has on culture (sic! :P). I would send you to some books and publications written by the smarter and more educated people than I, but you wouldn't probably go for it. Your opinion is stronger than facts ;) I'll say it one more time, there wouldn't be progressive music without Counterculture (capital C) and what is even more certain, it wouldn't have ever become popular. The progressive era wouldn't have happened. ------------- "Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |