The 2011 NFL Thread

Haven't won one since they were forced to stop cheating.  Frankly, those three wins should have been stripped.

manofmystery wrote: Haven't won one since they were forced to stop cheating.  Frankly, those three wins should have been stripped.

That's a bit extreme, but I will agree since then the Eagles would be relevant. 

Edited by Equality 7-2521 - January 23 2012 at 13:52

Knowing the plays in advance is a huge advantage and considering how close each of their "wins" was it seems more than reasonable to me to say that it made the difference.  At very least Belichek should have been banned from the game for life.  Shamefully GODell's most successful effort as comissioner has been to sweep the whole thing under the rug forever.  It seems as if nobody's allowed to talk about it and that the whole thing never happened. 

Yeah, I love how Godell made a huge effort on keeping the game clean off the field but covered that whole thing up.
I guess because they lost the SB it helped but yeah...how Belichick never got suspended is beyond me.
It's in the past now though, the Pats will just have to rely on the refs to help them now!


It's really sad how all these poor calls always "happen" to go for the bigger/more popular team and how they also just get every break. NFL makes no attempt to hide it.
At least in the playoffs it has been better (better ok) and a lot more letting the teams play have been happening.



Edited by JJLehto - January 23 2012 at 14:17

Equality 7-2521 wrote: manofmystery wrote: Knowing the plays in advance is a huge advantage and considering how close each of their "wins" was it seems more than reasonable to me to say that it made the difference.  At very least Belichek should have been banned from the game for life.  Shamefully GODell's most successful effort as comissioner has been to sweep the whole thing under the rug forever.  It seems as if nobody's allowed to talk about it and that the whole thing never happened.  I think they should have been hit harder with draft picks.

 

manofmystery wrote: rushfan4 wrote: That non-touchdown catch by the Ravens on the 2nd to last play is one of those plays that always makes me shake my head.  The receiver has both hands on the ball and gets both feet down on the ground and then the defender knocks the ball out of his hands so it isn't a catch, and yet a QB or running back can dive into the end zone have the nose of the ball cross the line and then have a defender knock the ball out of his hands, but the touchdown counts.      Control seems to be the issue.  Someone running (or diving) with a ball (including say a WR that caught a pass at the 5 and went in) can already be said to have control and when the plane is broken the play is over while a reciever needs to display control when they make a catch in the endzone.  The going to the ground with control thing is too far (they screwed Detriot over with that last year and Cincy with it earlier this year) but either way I can't see there being an argument that Evans had control of the ball on that play yesterday.

I don't have a problem with the call yesterday, but I guess that I still have a problem with the rule.  The guy had the ball in his hands and had both feet on the ground, which seems like it should be good enough to have possession but because the ball was knocked out of his hands it is ruled incomplete.  Obviously we are talking milliseconds here, but the receiver certainly had control and possession of the ball inside of the end zone for a longer time then the ball crossing the line and then being knocked out of the ball carrier's hand scenario. 

JJLehto wrote: Yeah, fun to say but in reality...just can't take away the SB rings. I was thinking the same as Pat, should've lost the entire 2008 draft. Also Belichick should've been suspended, not forever, not even a year but deff suspended. And a hard one, not one of these "OK Ben we'll drop 2 games for good behavior crap". Why have a suspension time? If its 6 games its 6 damn games. I do agree that the ball control to the ground rule is BS. IMO  if you are in the end zone and have possession with both feet (or a foot and a knee....cough Hakeem Nicks) it's a TD. As usual the enforcement is inconsistent since a lot of times I don't see possession to the ground and it's ruled a score. It was right on the line Scott and I wanna say I agree it was really a catch but we gripe about the offensive pleasures of today...even if it sucks, it's good to draw a line.

It all comes down to the fact that the receiver needed to do a better job of bringing the ball into his body to protect the catch, which would have made the rule not come into play.  The defender made a hell of a play to knock the ball out of his hands.  I do agree that a line does need to be drawn somewhere, and will admit that I don't know where that line should be.  I'm still smarting from the Calvin Johnson touchdown being overturned in the game against the Bears in the previous year opening game.  As I said I don't really have a problem with that particular call last night.  I think that I am more apt in thinking that the plays at the goal line should be called differently.   If the ball carrier dives into the end zone and the ball gets knocked out of his hands before he hits the ground, then I would think that should be called a fumble, since technically the ball carrier isn't down yet. 

I'm glad somebody mentioned Evans as he is much more responsible for the ravens loss than Cundiff in my eyes.

One thing I do have to say Jody...I like the Ravens, I do, but that team needs to man up and accept a loss at some point.
I mean, they are #2 behind the Jets with "no no we really didn't lose"

Now out that a scoreboard error caused Cundiff to feel hurried. I am sure he did feel hurried and it was probably because of the "error" (we all know home field has little advantages) but cmon...you could still make the kick, or a timeout could be called. Or what about all the mistakes made? The dominant game that Baltimore never took control of once? Just quietly accept it and say hey we f**ked up. Very common pattern with them recently, maybe its because I just dont like talkin from teams but I really don't like how they seem to always have an excuse.

Well now maybe being a fan here but you'll have to explain that second one to me. Was a pretty even game to me that could've very easily gone either way, and the Giants pulled it out.

All I know is that final fumble was all the gmen, we saw him stick his hand in there. And that muffed punt was all his fault, it did touch him and why get so close if you're not gunna return it?? Mistakes are part of the game as well. Can't say they should've won, because they f**ked up.

And nah the better always wins unless you get screwed by one of those dumb receiving rules on the last play (sorry Scott). Much as it pains me, the Patriots deserved to win, because ultimately they were the better  team.
The Ravens played better, but they never once took control, couldn't close, and just pissed it away honestly. The Pats did not...that simple.




Edited by JJLehto - January 24 2012 at 10:29