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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Subject: The 2011 NFL Thread
Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 11:03
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Just had to post my satisfaction with the current situation with the Lions. With the signings of Stephen Tulloch and Justin Durant at LB, the Lions now have a particularly nasty front 7 (on paper, at least, one of the top five or ten in the league) and I am looking forward to untold carnage and destruction in the upcoming season.
I think this year the NFC North will live up to its billing as the "Black and Blue Division".
In other news, I am sure Eagles fans are pleased with their team's FA signings, and are Patriot fans at all worried that the addition of Haynesworth and Ochocinco has made the Pats a three-ring circus? ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 11:07
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Eagles fans are very happy indeed. I feel like Haynesworth can work out, I think the Ochocinco signing was a waste of time. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 11:37
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Just like the two sides threatening to shut down the US government...the lockout was all BS and show. Glad that waste is over, and things have been pretty exciting with every free agent available and being moved in a short period! As a Giants fan, is of course very upsetting that Nnamdi went to the Eagles. One of the top 2 corners (if not #1) in the league. Was hoping he'd land on the Jets, imagine him and Revis together! 85 was stupid, talk about the most anti-patriot guy there is. But he is an aging decent vet, and if anyone can whip him into shape it's that cheating bum a****le Belichick. Haynesworth failed his physical? What a surprise! IF he gets himself under 400 pounds he can be a forceful player. Havn't heard much of the Giants, as always. Just that Bradshaw is being looked at, and I hope to god they keep him...that loss would be crippling. Osi is pissed because even though he's moving along with his contract apparently he's not making the money promised him... If he went, at least there is JPP who proved to be a good pass rusher. They did draft Prince Amukamara, who should be a great corner and some more beastliness for their D-line. Just hoping their O-line stays strong, it's getting thin and weak and they've added nothing..their current players better step up. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 18:18
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Wow Eagles are going buck wild. I'm so pumped for football. I was kind of hoping that the Eagles got Tulloch, not that I can complain about anything the Eagles did really. Lions look kind of exciting going into this season. If Stafford can stay healthy this could be a fun division. Pats have so many draft picks that giving up those low rounders means little. It's a great investment where they're on the hook for pretty much no money. They've revived receivers before so maybe Ocho will find some success. I don't see it. Haynesworth I think will be dominant again. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 19:14
I know, I am more geeked than I have been for years. I am chugging the electric kool-aid as we speak!
Yes, the "Stafford factor" weighs heavily upon the Lions' success. But for now, I have rose-colored glasses on. If anything, the Lions will be taking out plenty of QBs this year. And congrats to your Eagles. They have done a great job with the cap.
Personally, I am scratching my head at some of the decisions the Vikes and Bears made. Roy Williams united again with Mike Martz? Woo-hoo! That guarantees at least a split with the Lions this year, and it may be worse now that the Bears cut Olin Kreutz, who was the heart of their O-line. The Vikes with McNabb may be better than the Vikes with Tavares Jackson, but if he plays like he did last year, it's another last place finish for the Vikes. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 21:50
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Yeah, the Lions had a decent year (even their losses were fights) so IF Stafford can indeed remain healthy that can be one hell of an offense. Also, they added another stud D tackle to the line. Mah boi Suh really was something else, imagine with even more help. Like I said, if anyone can bring Chad back it'd be the Patriots though it may be more difficult than usual since I can't think of a more wrong player for them personality wise. The Vikings always have that strong defense and running game, and now some more fire on offense. Their complete and utter lack of a QB has been the missing piece. The Redskins were total sh*t, Vikes are a better team McNabb could see success there I have no doubt. Not saying he was his old self but how anyone gave McNabb flak boggled my mind, there are not many teams that have less than the Skins  Despite what most would think, I am excited for the Giants season. Their offense had the ability to pass like an aerial strike, and can always run at will. They just really need to get on the same page and disciplined. If so that offense can be amazing. Added some more on defense so I'm not too worried there. Oh! Also, forgot the Falcons added Julio Jones so that should fun to deal with |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 01 2011 at 09:03
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I still lol when I remember what the Falcons gave up for Jones. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 01 2011 at 16:06
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Yes, but if the results are as horrifying as it seems that's what matters in the end. Can't be worse than the Cards giving up so much for an unproven QB. Now I always felt bad for Kolb and he could be good assuming he gets to play consistently, but quite a risk for someone you just don't know what you're getting! Giants re-sign Ahmad Bradshaw, which they pretty much had to. Osi is up for trade, drafting JPP looks good now, even if Osi is cut loose they can have their 3 good pass rushers. Though it seems unlikely to happen. Giants are pretty sane and logical, so you'd think they would want something big for Osi and send him to a team not too likely to burn em. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 01 2011 at 17:41
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Ravens lost some good ones in Mason,Kelly Gregg,Todd Heap and Willis Mcgahee.True,Mason is a bit older but still a viable WR,Heap gets bitten by the injury bug too much and Mcgahee's role was greatly reduced by the emergence of Ray Rice.Kelly Gregg was the worst loss imho,but I think Terence "Mount" Cody will fill in nicely. -------------  |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 01 2011 at 19:40
Giants loosing Osi makes them thin which is not good when the depth was their real strength. I'll admit JPP played much better than I antiicipated last season, but how good will he be without Cofield and Osi there? AZ probably overpaid, but it was a thin QB market so their hands were kind of tied. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 01 2011 at 19:51
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Well yeah losing Osi can't be good but they will still have their 3 pass rushers...thinking about it the JPP move makes sense now. Osi has been getting kind of...what's the word? Bitchy, as of late, they probably knew he'd want to bail/they would not want to pay him and have started grooming his replacement. As you said, losing Cofield hurts me more, real unheralded DT. I'm a bit peeved they still have not addressed LB. I know it's all about the line (and secondary) but they still have the same crap at linebacker. Maybe, but just pointing the Cards did give up a lot for someone who is no guarantee. They coulda grabbed McNabb. Though after the crap he's gotten I'd like to see Kolb do well. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 01 2011 at 20:03
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McNabb was atrocious last year and gives you no hope of being a long term solutions. Eagles have been ignoring the linebacker position for years so I understand your pain there. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 08:30
Yes, but it at least gives the Vikings a tackling dummy to throw out there until Christian Ponder gets up to speed (and I'm not sure Ponder is the answer either). The NFC North is particularly hard on QBs, what with Suh, Julius Peppers, Jared Allen, B.J. Raji and such. Cutler was a human pinball last year, Stafford got knocked out early and Aaron Rodgers had a concussion. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 11:08
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The local media is really trying to hype up the Lions' chances this year. Personally, I'll be surprised if they exceed 7 and 9 or 8 and 8. After so many years of disappointment I am taking the wait and see approach here, but I am perfectly happy to jump on the bandwagon when the time is right. Did you see where Stafford "guaranteed" that he wouldn't get hurt and would be playing the entire season this year? I LOL'ed. ------------- 
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 11:09
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Also, did you see where Joey Harrington relived his days as a Lion? He was blindsided by a car while he was riding his bike and apparently didn't see it coming until it hit him. -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 11:11
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 16:52
I heard he was seriously injured. ------------- |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 16:58
He's not a bad fit for the Vikings. I was talking about the Cards trying to pretend that he was a viable option for them. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 16:58
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Eagles keep amazing. They sign Ronnie Brown to a 1 year $1 million contract. Great signing. I've always loved him. He's a perfect fit for Reid's offense.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 17:17
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We just cut pro-bowler Bryan McKinney for showing up overweight. That's right, the guy just ate himself out of a 6 million dollar gig. Pat, you think this Christian Ponder is for real in a couple years? And this year, is McNabb likely to be anymore effective than Favre was? ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 17:23
I think that McNabb still has more left in the tank than Favre did. He's a flawed player (so is Favre actually), but if they manage the offense right he should still give them a solid season. He certainly won't turn the ball over like Favre did last season. When guys show up to camp out of shape I'm always amazed. You're in a career where you'll play for 10 years if you're incredibly, incredibly lucky, and you risk that longevity because you don't feel like training in the offseason? I'm really not a Christian Ponder fan. Although, I'm really not a college football guy so I don't have much of a real opinion on him. I feel like a lot of teams overdrafted from a mediocre QB crop this year. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 17:31
Well the Vikings obviously don't care. They went for f**kin Favre, dude was gunna give you 12 games (which he didn't even manage). McNabb is not in his prime of course but cmon, the Redskins had some of the worst talent in the NFL, likewise the Vikings have a pretty good team. He'll have a good year. But yeah, probably should've picked up a long term QB over the last 2 drafts Looks like your Eagles picked up Ronnie Brown. With the Eagles pass happiness and McCoy I'm not sure how he'll even find snaps, but one hell of a back. The Eagles have won in August for sure. Let's see if it will help them win in February though  Unlike the Vikes, G-men have filled needs...they also have big ol Linval Joseph and rookie DT stud Marvin Austin. I say trade Osi out of division (preferably conference) for something decent and never look back. Jets need a pass rusher badly. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 17:39
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Yeah we got Favre snookered last year, but you have to admit the season before that was pretty fun for Vikings fans. Thanks Pat, I don't know anything about this Ponder guy either, trying to get the buzz on him. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 17:49
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You got what you paid for him, one great year. Just glad that a****le is gone for good! From what I know about Ponder, not much admittedly, he looks like a good developmental QB, deff chance of becoming a good NFL player. Personally, I liked Ryan Mallet. If I needed a QB, and had a good O-line, he'd be my pick. Dude is like 6'7", rocket arm, played in a normal offense. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 21:16
No way they get a 1st for Osi. Looking forward to beating the Giants two times yet again. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 02 2011 at 21:30
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Absolutely not, that's when the team needs to decide how toxic Osi is. May sounds like BS to many but addition by subtraction can work, especially with a cancer. Giants are living proof, and I do think they have the pieces to cover it. I just don't know how bad Osi is/the team chemistry. If I was a GM and felt it was bad enough, f**k it trade the guy for something. Just keep him off a division rival at least. I just can't believe how many LB's out there that got passed up. Nick Barnett, Thomas Howard, Justin Durant, Barrett Ruud, Posluzny, Tulloch! If Vick stays healthy the offense is certainly ferocious but any offense can be stopped. Its the Asomugha, Samuel, Rodgers-Cromartie trio that seems like it should be illegal! That is the most frightening thought. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 03 2011 at 11:44
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Well the LB situation makes sense. I had no idea, apparently the Giants have a bad cap situation. Also partly explains Osi, even if they wanted not sure they could even fit him in. Jacobs actually restructured his contract to help keep Bradshaw...dude is a true team player in every sense. Rumors are Osi's deal has been dropped to a 2nd round pick, and some interested teams are the Rams and Pats. Others as well but I forget. I feel more confident about the Giants team to cut Osi loose, the Pats would not be a yearly threat to the Giants and cmon...I know he's 29 but how can you not give up a 2nd round pick for someone who posted 11.5 sacks and 10 forced fumbles last year?? |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 03 2011 at 16:31
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Oh dear, triple post already? Cmon we should be excited! If Stafford stays healthy, Scott's Lions could be dangerous. 2010 was not a bad season, and that was without a QB! They've added Tulloch and Durant, 2 damn good LBs. That good D-line. A full season from Stafford and that may be one potent team! Also glad the G-men have gotten a new punter. Everyone knows the infamous Eagles game/Coughlin incident but take it from someone who saw all 16 games. Matt Dodge does not have what it takes. He was so bad I'd be cool if they cut him, put the defense in so many sh*tty spots and can't afford that again. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 06 2011 at 23:38
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Thought you guys might enjoy this, it could only happen to the Vikings. I remember my Dad telling me about this game. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 06 2011 at 23:47
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Poor b*****d, someone from the other team goes to him first! Running the wrong way, scoring for the other side with your team mates telling you to go back? Sounds like a cartoon! |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 07 2011 at 13:01
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All the tv "experts" are drooling over the Eagles and all their additions but... when are they going to get a QB? From what I've seen their biggest offseason move was letting their post-Vick-returning-to-pre-prison-form safety net go to the desert and adding a backup with no prayer of ever succeeding in this league. Yeah, I'd be real hyped up if I were an Eagles fan, what with a speed RB as my starting QB and 3rd-string TE as my backup QB. No chance, Eagles, no chance. Did anyone watch how Vick ended last year?
Anyway, going to go all out with full divison record predictions:
AFC EAST:
Buffalo Bills: 6-10
Miami Dolphins: 8-8
NE Cheatriots: 12-4
NY Jets: 13-3
AFC NORTH
Baltimore Birdies: 10-6 Cincy Bungles: 3-13
Cleve Brownies: 5-11
Pittsburgh Steelers: 13-3 (I know, I'm biased, but we have a really soft schedule)
AFC SOUTH
Houston Texans: 11-5
Indy Mannings: 10-6
Jacksonville Jaguars: 6-10
Tenn Titans: 2-14
AFC WEST
Denver Broncos: 3-13
KC Chiefs: 8-8
Oakland Raiders: 9-7
SD Chargers: 11-5
NFC EAST
Dallas Cowboys: 9-7
NY Giants: 10-6
Philly Iggles: 10-6
Wash Deadskins: 4-12
NFC NORTH
Chicago Bears: 6-10
Detroit Lions: 9-7
GB Packers: 14-2
Minn Vikings: 4-12
NFC SOUTH
Atlanta Falcons: 12-4
Carolina Panthers: 1-15
NO Saints: 13-3
TB Bucs: 7-9
NFC WEST
Arizona Cardinals: 10-6
SF 49ers: 6-10
Seattle Vacated National Championships: 6-10
St. Louis Rams: 9-7 -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 07 2011 at 13:18
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Whew, before a single game Anton, you ballsy boi Like I've said any offense can be stopped, and Vick made impressive improvements as a passer but it was just one season and he did kind of tail off. Have to see if he maintains, continues to improve and will he stay healthy. It's the Asomugha addition that is the most frightening. I do want to say the Eagles won't win a Super Bowl until they run the ball more (when they do it's damn effective) but I fear those days are over. I liked the Packers a lot but they never ran it consistently, pretty much reliant on their passing game. Though it was pretty traditional so I was OK with it. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 07 2011 at 22:35
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Aw balls, lost Kevin Boss to the Raiders. Shame, he was a good blocker and was a tall target who really held on to the ball and trucked. Gunna miss him. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 08 2011 at 11:57
So the Eagles are just as good this year as they were last year? That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Vick is a pretty good QB now. You should be more worried about who the QB of the Redskins, Giants, and Cowboys are. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 08 2011 at 12:00
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I don't feel like looking through the schedules of every team in the league. NFC East - Eagles (12-4) West - Cardinals North - Packers South - Falcons AFC East - Patriots West - Tough one here. I'll go Chiefs again. North - Steelers South - Texans ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 08 2011 at 12:03
Must suck to already know you're losing two games to the Eagles again. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 08 2011 at 17:13
The Eagles benefit this year from the schedule. I think they will win on defense, not offence, and would be surprised if they blew out anyone (even the dregs of the league). Vick is not a pretty good QB, he's just ESPN's perpetual wet-dream. As overrated as Romo is and as overrated/inconsistent as Eli is I'd still rather have either one of them, in the long run, than Vick. Major regression coming this year (not that it didn't already start down the stretch last year). ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 00:49
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Don't really know what to think of the Ravens signing Ricky Williams.I'm pretty worried about our receiving corps now,we lost Mason and besides Boldin all our other receivers have less than 2 years experience.I think they'll go after Cotchery. ------------- |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 02:27
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I always hoped Ricky would run like Earl Campbell, but never had that tenacity.. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 08:37
Is that really based on anything? His regression last year was primarily due to protection breakdowns. There's not much on film to suggest anything different. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 08:38
For the amount of touches he's going to get with Ray Rice running the show, it's a pretty good signing I think. Cotchery will be a good pick-up for whatever team signs him. Really underrated player. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 12:51
Understand the sentiment but why the quote? Not like Boss is the sole thread holding the Giants together We all do miss him though, Eli even championed his return and he never says a word. I have faith in Giants management/coaching to always fill voids and make generally good decisions but I'm pretty let down with this one. Also they are trying to keep Osi on and motivated to play, like including an opt out and incentive triggers. Not a bad idea. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 12:53
Yeah Cotchery is a good receiver, but there's questions about his back injury still. Must me bad/unsettled since he was beloved in NY. Speaking of unhealthy receivers I'm very concerned for Steve Smith. The Giants coulda picked up Braylon for dirt cheap and fill the void of Smith if needed/have another target.  |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 15:17
I just mean that it's yet another thing that the Giants have loss in the offseason on top of everything else. Centric to Boss though is the fact that 1) TE have historically destroyed the Eagles, though probably not this year since Namdi will be covering them. 2) More importantly it would seem that the Eagles biggest defense is the power run game. The two things boss does best are run blocking and pass blocking. I think his loss will hurt you the most there. His recieving was kind of limited by the fact that he dropped like 15% of passes thrown his way. I think the incentives are a bad idea for Osi. He's already a selfish and undisciplined player. If you include incentives to pay him after 13.5 sacks, there's no way he maintains his gaps instead of recklessly rushing the QB. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 15:18
I didn't even think of Braylon to the Giants. That would seem to make a lot of sense actually. I know they were in cap trouble though. I'm not sure what the situation is now. Yeah microfracture surgery is a bitch. Wonder if he'll ever be the same. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 15:21
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I don't know how big of a difference it will make, but the first 3 Lions' draft picks this year were all injured within the first week of training camp, with the running back LeShoure out for the season with a torn achilles tendon. Not a very good start to the season to say the least. 1st game is Friday night against the Palmerless and Ochocincoless Bengals. -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 15:49
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They just signed Harrison and Bell. The former is a really nice pickup to backup Best. The latter is what I assume is just to add depth. If that's the case then its also a good pick-up.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 18:08
 It's not funny to tear your achilles tendon but the situation is just a bit humorous. Lions still starting off fantastic when people are actually giving them some credit this year! ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 23:57
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Jerome Harrison? I love that guy forever, he won my fantasy football championship for me. And I see Pat. Like I said at first, I am pretty peeved they let Boss go. He is a competent receiver and his blocking is great, the team will miss him for sure and there's no real replacement. Not one fan I've encountered yet is happy at all about his leaving. Braylon signed 1 year $3 mil. That must be affordable for the Giants. At least there is Nicks and Manningham. I'd sign Boss even if it meant missing on Braylon. And the Osi thing is becoming a mess. There are 3 options: Trade him for whatever you get, work some deal with his contract (taking a year off, incentives, opt out etc) or keep him on and don't use him. Just pick one. If he plays he needs to be motivated and not a distraction, or keep him off the field. I almost said cut him, but if that happened and the Eagles, Cowgirls or Skins picked him up I'd kill myself. So yeah, I'm confident in the Giants team even for replacing Cofield and Osi, but losing Boss was a mistake. I hope the offense is more in sync this year, because if Smith can't return they'll need it. Eli ate all the blame for those 20+ picks but that is not too accurate. Bradshaw needs to cut the fumbles, some replacement on O-line. This is a transition year for the G-men with 10 wins at best. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 10 2011 at 00:03
Shame about LeShoure, I liked the idea of the Lions having a nice power back. Sure Mike Bell but eh... If Stafford is healthy the Lions really have no excuse to fall below 7-9. The problem about having am up year Scott, now they are expected to continue |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 10 2011 at 17:21
It seems like we were banking on resigning Mason for less money and didn't really think we were going need to shop around for another experienced,capable WR.I have seen some talk about Lee Evans of Buffalo being considered too. ------------- |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 10 2011 at 18:54
| Steve Smith! |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 10 2011 at 19:21
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Ouch Jj that has to suck. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 10 2011 at 20:18
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Ray Rice is the man and Ricky still has some in the tank, all the time off and weed has kept him fresh. Rice and Williams would be a great 1-2. Lee Evans is a damn good receiver, great pick up for whoever lands him. Kinda suck it's to the Eagles but I'll only be pissed if he actually burns us. We all know about the injury and the fact he was released tells me he must have not been progressing well. If there was any good chance for him the Giants would have held on. You'd think even if he needed time to get back to speed. They didn't even trade anything just a straight up release. My hopes aren't high for him. If he is successful though talk about a stupid move! Maybe they just couldn't hold onto him fearing he'd be no good so they freed up cap space. I can't believe the cap situation was so bad. I'm not as pessimistic/angry as other Giants fans but this has been Jerry Reese's weakest off season without doubt! Edit: That was all rational of course, gut reaction to Smith: hurts bad. Bred and raised a Giant, had a big role for the SB run and I liked him. Not big or very fast but he just got it done and was a catch machine. On third down he was money, pretty much a guaranteed conversion for Eli always. Much as I don't want him to help the Eagles at all it would hurt to see his career end on such a bad note. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 13:22
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^ I'm just happy that the Ravens decided what they needed to do to finally beat my Steelers was get rid of the two players that have supplied almost 100% of their offense against us for the last.....however many years Heap has been in the league. Oh, and to answer Equality's question about what backs my thinking that Vick will regress this year: I've watched him play. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 13:58
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I don't think you have.
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 15:53
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I've seen his entire career, albeit not every game, and last year stands out as more of a fluke than anything else. He has always been all legs and will continue to live and die by the running game. He was a terribly inaccurate passer before prison and I'm simply not going to get sucked into trusting his arm based on last year. I also see defenses and defensive coordinators catching up to the Vick-shtick after having seen it all last year. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 16:15
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There's a clear difference between him in his early career and last year. I've watched the Eagles games from last year over and over. He clearly played worse at the end of the season, but it wasn't that dramatic of a difference. He played pretty well in the playoff loss. There were a lot of problems on the Eagles' team last year that led to the disappointing season and offensive struggles.
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 16:51
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Used to be a big NFL fan back when I was into sport back in the day....can't watch it now - the average televised NFL game runs over three hours, but during this time less than 20 minutes of actual football takes place. I think it was actually more like 12 minutes of play - from whistle to whistle of each down.....a real drag, but a great way to sell all sorts and sizes of trinkets and junk food. The college game is much better in this regard, but it's also heading the way of the NFL, which brings up the old question: Should NCAA football players be allowed a share of the millions they bring to their schools? Should they be paid?!?!? ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 16:58
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Is there any interest in a PA fantasy football league?
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 18:11
Yeah, the commercials are ridiculous. It still beats a sport like soccer, though, that has maybe 1 minute of action in what is a crazy long game (I'm not even sure how long because just when you think it's finally over they tack on another 5 minutes). The NHL would have the market cornered for non-stop action if they could just rid themselves of the goons and giant goalie pads.
Outside of being the NFL's minor league, the college game is pointless until their is a playoff system.
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It didn't work out with baseball a few years ago but I suppose I'd be in. I do think that fantasy football is a farrrrrrr worse game than fantasy baseball despite the fact that a bazillion more people play the former than the latter. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 20:29
Absolutely. Always wanted to but my friends are flakes, and the one year we had one I won  |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 20:33
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Funny, so many people like the college game because it's more "pure" and I get that in the fact they are kids still, not pros and not making money or getting gifts *COUGHS* ok well..... It's fun but as a game college ball is kinda ridiculous. Besides the lack of playoff, which makes it all a big chuckle, I think only Iowa still plays a traditional style. Even good ol Penn State with its blocking fullback is a finesse spread team. In fact much of the Big Ten is and we're supposed to be the stubborn conference from the 1940's (people seem to think so)!!! I know it's easier, makes great use of lesser players and helps smaller schools...but sad to see all our college champions running these shotgun spread fancy offenses. Oh, I hate the never ending overtime as well. I like the idea of giving each side in the NFL a chance, but that's it. The triple overtime is kinda silly, and leads to kinda false stats. I know, I'm a crotchety young man |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 20:39
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Also I was bored and called in the NY radio. I explained Giants nation should have some faith like me. That the core is still solid, we drafted some good players, I have faith in those who need to step up and many of our losses aren't too killer in the grand scheme. He thought I was a tad unrealistic apparently |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 20:53
The worst part of college offenses are that they produce QBs that have no chance to succeed in the NFL but that NFL teams are dumb enough to keep paying. Cam Newton has no chance, nor does Tebow, nor did Vince Young, or Jamarcus Russell. RUN ONLY QBS CAN'T RUN AN NFL OFFENSE! Thankfully the Steelers haven't made this mistake....yet. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 21:02
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Much as I don't like him I give Tebow some ( and I mean just some) chance only because he's so god damn determined. Yeah I used god damn in a sentence with Tebow, deal with it Tim! I don't hold much hope for him but he'll try to the death at least. I hear ya though, NFL style QBs are quite rare these days. And now they are viewed negatively! Heard of Ryan Mallet from Arkansas? Dude is like 6'7" 250 lbs, pretty much a statue but played in a legit pro offense, rocket arm, accurate, pocket NFL QB dream. He's ranked below f**king Jake Locker. All he did was run, I called it he would turn out to be a terrible passer and what do you know! Yet the Titans blew a first round pick on him and Mallet fell to the third. Even if these guys do develop it'll take 3 or 4 years and huge heartache. I'm with ya MoM I don't get it. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 12 2011 at 10:25
I agree. The problem with fantasy baseball is you need people who really know the game and are very active. You can have a solid football league with active knowledgeable fans. Baseball requires another level of dedication, but is much more rewarding. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 12 2011 at 10:26
Well run organizations usually don't make that mistake. You probably have little to worry about. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 12 2011 at 16:39
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Yeah, kinda sad that the teams that really need help seem to fall for these "hot" QBs and wreck themselves for a few years. I would say my boy Ryan Mallet looked damn good but I forgot...it's preseason. Also it was the Pats, I could start at QB tomorrow and throw for 300 and 3 TDs. If not that big ol bum would whip me. Regardless, hope he can land on a team somehow, I'd love to see him play and not Jake Locker or Tim Tebow or Cam Newton. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 12 2011 at 19:36
I don't know, I really don't trust the Rooney's anymore. Between the "Rooney rule", supporting Obama, rehiring Bruce Arians year after year, and coming close to getting rid of a 2 time Super Bowl winning QB that was never actually charged with a crime.
I see the Steelers secondary is in mid-season form halfway through the first pre-season game. How the hell could any self-respecting team keep William Gay on their roster, let alone start him?
You could, I fully believe that. Tom Brady would be nothing if it wasn't for that system and stacks of videotapes helping him know what's coming. One step back, throw a 5 yard slant, one step back, throw a 5 yard out, one step back, dump it off on a screen. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 13 2011 at 09:59
The Ravens acquired Lee Evans for a fourth round draft pick next year.I consider that a steal for a receiver of his caliber. ------------- |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 13 2011 at 11:40
That's why you don't watch games by yourself. There's plenty of things to talk about with your friends during the commercials. I enjoy them. It prolongs the football experience that you only get one day a week. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 13 2011 at 17:40
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Well Anton much as I hate Brady and the system the Pats use, can't say he'd be nothing. I had no problem with them before 2007. Before then when they used a normal scheme Brady was pretty good. Since 07 his numbers have gone nuts since yeah, it's easier when you only need to throw it 7 yards a time with 4 receivers to choose from. Now Wes Welker would be absolutely nothing without the Pats
Yeah that is a great move. Besides, I love Ray Rice and Ricky Williams so I was OK with your Ravens losing some wide outs and having more running Agreed with Pat, others being there help. Also I'm lucky that now I can get to every Giant home game. Being there (plus the epic tailgates) is just a whole 'nother experience. If it's an away game and I can't watch with others, just do sh*t during the commercial breaks. If the game sucks well it's going to anyway, if it's good the breaks aren't that big a deal. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 13 2011 at 18:07
They never ran a "normal" system with Brady. Deion Branch and Kevin Faulks' careers should be evidence enough of that. Two joke players anywhere else. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 13 2011 at 20:13
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At least it was better and had power runners like Antowain Smith and Corey Dillon. Besides few are truly "normal" IMO these days. I hate the Colts almost as much personally, though it speaks to Manning's skill at least. That's all for fun anyway, while I don't like how most teams operate it's all about the W. Just glad that generally normal teams have been winning the SB at least. It doesn't mean much since the Giants have all second stringers on already, but good ol Cam at least looks good. Standing nice in the pocket, good zip, pretty aware. First bltiz he stood there like a deer in the headlights and got flattened but what else can you expect? Just trying to take the middle ground since on TV all will expect him to be god and here we'll endlessly bash him |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 13 2011 at 20:20
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Never mind! Cam looked good on that first series, with lots of movement. Counters, draw plays, and end around. Lots of motion and he was pretty accurate. Second time around was pretty standard drop back, stand and pass and he looked much less accurate and more pressure got to him. Oh Cam I'm trying to be polite man but you're making it difficult. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 14 2011 at 16:58
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I hear JPP looked good in the preseason game Brian. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 14 2011 at 17:22
That he did. This is why I have placed so much trust in Jerry Reese and the Giants coaching staff for this season. I see now why the move was made, JPP is going to replace Osi. It may be happening a year earlier than expected though but he is a physical freak and looks like the Giants have done a good job coaching him, which they have done with new players for years now. I was more happy to see how Domenik Hixon performed. Looks like he is back from the injury and was running quick and tough. Hoping he can be the one to replace Smith as the #3 receiver. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 15 2011 at 17:13
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Soooo Osi realized he was being a dumbass and returned to camp though he's "unhappy" f**kin wonderful all around. He doesn't get what he wants, has pissed off everyone and we're stuck with this guy who doesn't want to be on the team. Why didn't they trade him for whatever the market dictates, free up cap room to keep Smith and/or Boss? Also Eli is an understanding guy, restructure his contract? If it was to keep those 2 players he'd have to be accepting. While I'm OK with the moves (or lack of moves) I am starting to question what the hell is wrong with Jerry Reese. The rumblings are starting to flair up about this being a way to shove Coughlin out for Bill Cowher waiting on the side. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 16 2011 at 09:10
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They didn't have any intentions of trading him. That's why they were asking for a first.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 16 2011 at 11:02
Just saying I would've contemplated it.
But I'm crazy, in the end the Giants did play it smart. He's under contract so they held strong and he had no real leverage. Just hope he was fishing for more $$ and not seriously disgruntled.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 16 2011 at 11:39
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I foresee some trouble coming from him when something doesn't go his way during the season.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 16 2011 at 18:11
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Exactly, hence my gut feeling of trading the b*****d and just accepting a 2nd round pick. Painful as it'd be to see him go. It's pretty much assumed that without a playoff win this year Coughlin is toast, and Jerry Reese. Shame since until this year he's been stellar. Also if they were to not even make the playoffs again with so much talent...well yeah this is a critical year. Don't need Osi getting toxic. He has a massive contract which was front loaded, gets to the thin part now and he whines. What the f**k guys? You read these things you sign? |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 18 2011 at 19:52
That highly touted Philly defense is looking good tonight. Maybe I should revise my win total for the Iggles... down.  ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 18 2011 at 20:10
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That great pocket passer, Mike Vick, is having a swell night as well. Surely giving no reason to expect regression.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 18 2011 at 22:51
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Not that we can judge any pre season game ever, and especially this year! It's even more ridic given the lockout. I love how you need to buy em for the season tix. We plan on going to one Guess you can at least sell em to people who won't normally have the chance. Last year we went to a pre season game against your Steelers. I have not ever seen such an amazingly rude crowd! Ever, and this for a pre season game! |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 18 2011 at 23:59
Just a guess edit but it seems like a pretty safe one. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 19 2011 at 11:33
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Well of course Anton but every crowd at every game is crazy drunk. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 19 2011 at 13:05
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I suppose, but we still aren't focusing on the real issue (one that should be making you smile): Mike Vick is the Iggles starting QB and his backup is Vince Young
I know it's preseason but the Steelers didn't have their 1-2 CBs even playing on a CB depth chart that reads: "Ike Taylor and hrrrm murrrmur (ashamed inaudible muttering)". ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 19 2011 at 14:01
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I wasn't aware that last night's game was the first preseason game to ever mean anything. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 19 2011 at 21:38
It is pre season, even though I'm crazy excited football is back there's not much to talk about Especially since Osi is back, apparently happy (enough...)I'm still holding my opinion on Vick. We'll need to see, this is his year. Will he turn the corner and play at the level we saw at first for the whole season? I am glad Young is the backup. Good chance Vick will get hurt and Young is a joke. |
Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: August 21 2011 at 20:31
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Hope that the steelers will win his division and the SB
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 22 2011 at 00:22
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It is just pre season and doesn't mean a single thing but Dallas still lost |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: August 22 2011 at 00:24
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Isn't NFL, like, not for a while or something ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 22 2011 at 07:11
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If you consider the present to not be occurring for a while, then yes.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 22 2011 at 20:34
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Andy is just being I dont really like the new kick off rule (unless they changed a fair catch kick to the 25) but this new review every score thing is BS. I mean I'm all for getting the call right, but this is kinda of stupid and painful. It don't mean anything but early on when the starters were in...the Giants O-line which is not really that out of whack was blocking well and Jacobs/Bradshaw were both running well. Especially big ol Brandon who looks back to form, quick, kinda elusive and powerful. I love how the 2 of them feed off each other in the game and act like they are good friends (supposedly they are) and it's so great to see the energy they bring. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 22 2011 at 21:08
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aaaaaaaaaaaand Terrell Thomas tore an ACL. f**king great. Decent coverage corner and had 80 solo tackles (101 total) from the CB spot. I'm still confident but sheesh, they are going to need another 2007. Starts off chaotic and sh*tty and pulls everything together. They always blow the second half anyway, might as well spend 4 games getting everything right and then make a run |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 18:34
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Dear Eagles, Don't suck. Sincerely, A concerned fan ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 23:25
oooo so what all the August hype beginning to wear off?  Remember, football is the best sport because it's the most team oriented sport. Look at our fun Cowboys, how well did having a star studded team work out? Granted, the Eagles are not the clusterf**k that Dallas is, but the players do need to gel, become a cohesive team and I've heard Samuel is already whining about whether he'll play enough. Vick still needs to prove he can throw for a whole 16+ games, that he can stay healthy, V Young is no good. Philly is scary on paper but we shall see on the field. Though I'm now a bit worried about my G-men. Not once through the offseason but injuries are already biting. Terrell Thomas, now Marvin Austin. Prince won't be back for a while and god knows what he'll be like upon return. The tight end situation is still there of course |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 06:00
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I said concerned not that they still weren't the best team in the conference. I'd be concerned no matter what after a poor showing. Asante hasn't said anything about his playing time. The Cowboys really don't have that many stars on the team. They have more jags than people want to admit. VY is a fine backup. If Vick goes down for a few games and we can't win a few with VY then we're not a playoff team anyway. We did it last year with Kolb, the Steelers had to do it, the Packers had to do it. Good teams can win with their 2 qb. Giants are pretty screwed by injury. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |