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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 08:20
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by chrijom chrijom wrote:

Never really got the 'cookie monster' thing, just can't take it seriously.  
You can start by not calling it "cookie monster" Stern Smile

I do so hate that term.

I think he actually meant that he can't take Cookie Monster seriously. Cookie Monster is an artist you know:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 08:22
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 08:35
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 09:10
I like a godd mixture, especially Opeth does it very well. They where the reason i accepted this kind of "singing ".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 09:10
I like a good mixture, especially Opeth does it very well. They were the reason i accepted this kind of "singing ".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 09:15
Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Originally posted by JonteJH JonteJH wrote:

Symphony X growling, wait what?


Early stuff, no. But have you heard there last album?


Sure I did, and there is zero growling on it. Not even screaming. Russell Allen can simply add a certain amount of "grit" to his voice, which he does very effectively. The difference is that Allen's vocals are always in tune, while growling or screaming are usually atonal.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 10:15
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Originally posted by JonteJH JonteJH wrote:

Symphony X growling, wait what?


Early stuff, no. But have you heard there last album?


Sure I did, and there is zero growling on it. Not even screaming. Russell Allen can simply add a certain amount of "grit" to his voice, which he does very effectively. The difference is that Allen's vocals are always in tune, while growling or screaming are usually atonal.


Actually, a lot of growling is at least partly tonal. A lot of growls have a definite pitch you can hum along to, for example, Between the Buried and Me growls. It's very obvious in "Obfuscation" where they even harmonize the growls. 

Any ways, I think this is a stupid question. The asker seems to assume they are somehow mutually exclusive. They can both be good in their own circumstances. 

EDIT: But yeah, Symphony X has ZERO growling in it... I don't know where you'd get that idea.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 10:24
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by chrijom chrijom wrote:

Never really got the 'cookie monster' thing, just can't take it seriously.  
You can start by not calling it "cookie monster" Stern Smile

I do so hate that term.

I think he actually meant that he can't take Cookie Monster seriously. Cookie Monster is an artist you know:



No I definitely did not mean 'cookie monster' the artistLOL.  But 'Death Growl' oh come on please....Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 11:30
This is going to come off as disrespectful, but it's not intended that way.  Every time I hear growling I start to laugh and the music looses it's spell.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 11:36
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by chrijom chrijom wrote:

Never really got the 'cookie monster' thing, just can't take it seriously.  
You can start by not calling it "cookie monster" Stern Smile

I do so hate that term.


So do I. My dad (who is also a prog fan) uses that term all the time! Whenever I have extreme metal on, he'll always make a point to do a deep gutteral growl and scream "CCOOOOKIESS!!" just to piss me off. LOLTongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 11:38
Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by chrijom chrijom wrote:

Never really got the 'cookie monster' thing, just can't take it seriously.  
You can start by not calling it "cookie monster" Stern Smile

I do so hate that term.


So do I. My dad (who is also a prog fan) uses that term all the time! Whenever I have extreme metal on, he'll always make a point to do a deep gutteral growl and scream "CCOOOOKIESS!!" just to piss me off. LOLTongue



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 12:00
Clean vocals. More melodious, better madness relation, sounds more good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 16:08
Originally posted by Tychovski Tychovski wrote:

This is going to come off as disrespectful, but it's not intended that way.  Every time I hear growling I start to laugh and the music looses it's spell.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 16:24

I see them as equals, but i tend to lean more towards the clean vocals.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 16:29
Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

I see them as equals, but i tend to lean more towards the clean vocals.

Sorry Dan SwanoCry


He has amazing clean vocals as well! Have you ever heard Nightingale or Unicorn? Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 19:49
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I don't have a problem with being wrong....but how do you understand the growling?? I mean at least with screamo or plain screaming you can get the words...but with growling its all a jumbled mess of gerbling.....I'm not slamming growling I just simply don't understand the lyrics, content of the music.
I listen to a lot of genres.....I do enjoy some of the music but I get bored cause I am trying to understand the lyrics.
 
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 Depends who your listening to, Gojira's Joe Duplantier is very easy to understand, as is Akerfeldt, but some others can be almost unintelligable. Not that I care much, its not that often I follow the lyrics anyway. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2010 at 20:02
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I don't have a problem with being wrong....but how do you understand the growling?? I mean at least with screamo or plain screaming you can get the words...but with growling its all a jumbled mess of gerbling.....I'm not slamming growling I just simply don't understand the lyrics, content of the music.
I listen to a lot of genres.....I do enjoy some of the music but I get bored cause I am trying to understand the lyrics.
 
I guess I failed.......Cry
 Depends who your listening to, Gojira's Joe Duplantier is very easy to understand, as is Akerfeldt, but some others can be almost unintelligable. Not that I care much, its not that often I follow the lyrics anyway. 


Yeah, it definitely depends on the vocalist. If you can listen to Cannibal Corpse and understand a single damn word, you have a gift. Stern Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2010 at 01:47
It doesn't matter to me as long as it's done well.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2010 at 01:55
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I don't have a problem with being wrong....but how do you understand the growling?? I mean at least with screamo or plain screaming you can get the words...but with growling its all a jumbled mess of gerbling.....I'm not slamming growling I just simply don't understand the lyrics, content of the music.
I listen to a lot of genres.....I do enjoy some of the music but I get bored cause I am trying to understand the lyrics.
 
I guess I failed.......Cry
 Depends who your listening to, Gojira's Joe Duplantier is very easy to understand, as is Akerfeldt, but some others can be almost unintelligable. Not that I care much, its not that often I follow the lyrics anyway. 
 
Thanks sleeper!!! I will give them a listen.........but I have to say when I was in my 20's I really didn't pay much attention to lyrics. Almost all I had at that time was vinyl and you had the great packaging and liner notes and lyrics right there. I did follow them along but I did not pay attention.
 
Now 20 yrs later I do want to understand the lyrics as I just pay so much more attention now to the whole experience....I guess it just comes with the billions of hours listening to music all my life...so far Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2010 at 09:30
Well, the question is like "clean guitars or distorted guitars"? 
There may be strange people who "can't take" distorted guitar sound, it makes them laugh, their ears start to ache, etc. At least, so they say :) But I'm sure that 99,9% people here understand that the thing that matters is the way you use this stuff. I'm sure that "not taking" extreme vocal at all is always prejudice. You see, types of vocals are like types of instruments. Take it that way. You can use them badly, as you can use clean vocals badly. 

I would go further by saying that in fact there are no TWO types of vocals :) There are different types pf clean vocals and extreme vocals. And how they sound varies significantly from singer to singer. 

I used "not to take" the extreme vocals at all, I also called them "not singing"... But then I understood - hell, that's what you need in heavy music! Can you imagine Meshuggah with clean vocals? wtf?! Can't you feel the emotion in Townsend's screams and growls? It's a new instrument found in one's throat!

So, be open-minded, and listen to that instrument in the context of music.
You'd never say that you "hate distorted bass", or that you "prefer violin to cello". Stupid, right? Narrow-minded, right?) So why do you say "I can't take extreme vocals"? That's the same thing... You can't compare them. 

You know, music (including vocals) of Opeth, Meshuggah, Townsend, Cynic, etc, is so damn different! It's ringing so different bells! And the vocals are so *different*! If you're putting all these types if vocals in the same basket... I think you should reconsider :) 


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