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Casimir
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 22:27 |
I'm sure it's been said a couple times at least, but Pink Floyd's The Wall (and, to a lesser degree, Animals). Another board I frequent is filled to the brim with hipsters who heap unending amounts of praise on these two albums, particularly Animals.
For me, The Wall is, in the most literal sense of the word, a monotonous album. Every song has the same feel and the same general sound (and not in a good way) at the same tempo with the same themes, and it goes on for 80 minutes. There are some good songs on the album ("Run Like Hell" and "Waiting for the Worms" are my favorites), but the album really just comes off more as Roger Waters' glorified bitch-fest.
Animals, meanwhile, has some strong passages, but I have some similar issues with it as I do with The Wall. Musically, it's much more guitar-centric than I like from Pink Floyd, and while Nick Mason was hardly ever an exceptional drummer, he comes off as more of a metronome than anything else. Add into that Waters' lyrics (which I've never been wild about), and I get a somewhat disappointing album. (I really am quite fond of "Sheep," though.)
Don't misunderstand me - I have a generally positive opinion on Animals (I'd give it a solid 3.5/5), and I think The Wall is alright (somewhere around 2.5 or 3). However, I just don't think they're the masterpieces they're often hyped to be.
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Ruby900
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Posted: September 24 2010 at 08:24 |
The Wall and The SnowGoose......Sorry......
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enemyofthesundevils
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Posted: September 24 2010 at 10:52 |
Anything by Tool,Agalloch and anything not named Morningrise by Opeth.
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progvortex
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Posted: September 24 2010 at 23:33 |
King Winter wrote:
Here are some albums that I find to be overrated :
1. VDGG - Godbluff
4 Good songs, but not even one of them compares to the fantastic epics on Pawn Hearts. And generally I think that in this album the lost their crazy\experimental\avant-grade direction, and that's too bad. |
I completely agree with this. There are some good tracks on Godbluff, but it never amounts to more than just fun listening. Pawn Hearts is a masterpiece-- infinitely more engaging and dramatic. In fact, I would rank Godbluff after The Least We Can Do
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Life is like a beanstalk... isn't it?
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LSDisease
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 07:21 |
of prog Genesis - Selling England By The Pound
King Crimson - In The Court Of Crimson King Yes - Fragile, Close To The Edge, Relayer Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon, Wish You Were Here, The Wall Gentle Giant - Three Friends the rest everything by Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin (maybe without Hoses Of The Holy).
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 07:50 |
This thread is overrated. So there.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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idlero
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 13:19 |
Moon Safari-Lover's End Il Tempio Delle Clessidre Ciccada-A Child In The Mirror Lunatic Soul-Lunatic Soul II
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Billy Pilgrim
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 16:18 |
Anything by Pink Floyd. I don't know how there ratings are so high. Meddle has one good song and everyone loves the whole album. I don't see how anyone could be interested in anything off WYWH other than Shine on and the title track. And even Shine on has eight minutes of bore at the beginning of it. The Wall has an impressive amount of filler as does Dark Side.
I've also never really enjoyed Thick as a Brick.
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InClouds
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 16:28 |
People do have different opinions and different tastes, you know. Why do some people act as if their judgement of music (or any art form) is objective and absolute? I just don't get it. The value of something is something that is subjectively determined; value is not an inherent characteristic of anything. It seems fairly pointless to say things like "how could anybody possibly like this?" when everybody is going to interpret different aspects of something in different ways.
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moshkito
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 18:56 |
BaldJean wrote:
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the same is true for "In the Court of the Crimson King". yes, yes, a good album, but a far better one was to come, which is "Lizard". actually I believe that many people who give it 5 stars don't like the final 10 minutes of "Moonchild" at all, and they make up about 25% of the album, so how these people who don't like it can give the album 5 stars is beyond me. I like "Moonchild", by the way, but "Epitaph" is a bit soggy, so the album only gets 4 stars from me.
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I was in Madison, Wi, and working in the Student Union when the Kent State shootings took place, and we were getting frisked every day to and from work, from the bathrooms, fro a break ... you name it ... it was down right embarassing and sad.
It's hard for people like me, not to understand what "Epitath" is about, and how so many people gave their lives ... for nothing ... soggy ... how much love, tears and such do you have? Some have more than others ... and to some, the love of a lifetime is gone, and sometimes the tears are not even the better description. Fighting for a ruthless and meaningless/selfish war ... fighting for a dead ideal .... sorry ... Country Joe's words are not empty ... neither are Credence's ... and they are important and a strong reminder of a time, when you and I had no say, and we stood up and hoped to make a difference in the choice of politics and ideas out there ... America is still so controlled, and later they started the "politically incorrect" bullpucky so the government would do what they want and you and I would never know ...
There are 2 very important anthems from that time ... and today ... they don't mean a thing, because in the era of advertising ... apocalypse now is ... who gives a fuch? ... or deerhunter ... no way it could have happened ....
They are, (not in order) KC's Epitath, because it emcompassed more than just the IRA stuff, and VietNam or the Berlin Wall stuff ... Jimi's national anthem at Woodstock, in front of garbage, and people leaving -- the saddest symbol ever ... our generation doesn't give a sh*t and it doesn't mean anything ... it's just fun and sex and some drugs.
I would like to add a 3rd ... that today, no one cares and history is meaningless ... but I can tell you that you will all repeat the same mistakes sooner or later ... because the voice of wisdom, love, care, and understanding ... is not important to anyone in this day and age. That's ok ...we all have our comic book heroes and sandwich and tv ... screw the rest!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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Earendil
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 20:38 |
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Billy Pilgrim
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Posted: December 31 2010 at 22:25 |
InClouds wrote:
People do have different opinions and different tastes, you know. Why do some people act as if their judgement of music (or any art form) is objective and absolute? I just don't get it. The value of something is something that is subjectively determined; value is not an inherent characteristic of anything. It seems fairly pointless to say things like "how could anybody possibly like this?" when everybody is going to interpret different aspects of something in different ways. |
Sometimes bad is bad. Surely you don't think Justin Bieber or the Backstreet Boys have any talent or anything to offer the art of music. Yet they have fans and it boggles my mind. Pink Floyd is great and I'm not comparing them to a pop band or anything, but they're overated in my book because none of them are very good at there instrument. Only high point is lyrics.
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InClouds
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Posted: December 31 2010 at 23:32 |
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
InClouds wrote:
People do have different opinions and different tastes, you know. Why do some people act as if their judgement of music (or any art form) is objective and absolute? I just don't get it. The value of something is something that is subjectively determined; value is not an inherent characteristic of anything. It seems fairly pointless to say things like "how could anybody possibly like this?" when everybody is going to interpret different aspects of something in different ways. |
Sometimes bad is bad. Surely you don't think Justin Bieber or the Backstreet Boys have any talent or anything to offer the art of music. Yet they have fans and it boggles my mind.
Pink Floyd is great and I'm not comparing them to a pop band or anything, but they're overated in my book because none of them are very good at there instrument. Only high point is lyrics.
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Bad is bad? Sorry, but that's not how it works. It really depends on what you value. If musical virtuosity is what you value, then yes, Justin Beiber is bad by that standard. But it's certainly possible to appreciate other aspects of music. Once again, value is a subjectively attributed quality. Personally, I find it kind of depressing that a lot of people don't really appreciate musical talent (as evidenced by the popularity of artists like the ones you pointed out), but I don't mistake my opinion for objective fact.
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: January 01 2011 at 00:10 |
Close to the Edge: One good epic followed by two mediocre songs.
Selling England by the Pound: 2 good songs, the rest ranges from okay to boring.
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chrijom
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Posted: January 01 2011 at 02:20 |
Eärendil wrote:
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yes this is overrated! 
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 01 2011 at 02:51 |
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
InClouds wrote:
People do have different opinions and different tastes, you know. Why do some people act as if their judgement of music (or any art form) is objective and absolute? I just don't get it. The value of something is something that is subjectively determined; value is not an inherent characteristic of anything. It seems fairly pointless to say things like "how could anybody possibly like this?" when everybody is going to interpret different aspects of something in different ways. |
Sometimes bad is bad. Surely you don't think Justin Bieber or the Backstreet Boys have any talent or anything to offer the art of music. Yet they have fans and it boggles my mind.
Pink Floyd is great and I'm not comparing them to a pop band or anything, but they're overated in my book because none of them are very good at there instrument. Only high point is lyrics.
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It took me a while, but I did finally grow out of the idea that there is such a thing as good and bad music. You can't even define "very good at their instruments", much less the quality of their music.
As for SOYCD pt 1, it's about texture, man, I'm sorry you can't appreciate the subtle nuances. ;-)
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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BaldJean
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Posted: January 01 2011 at 04:39 |
King Winter wrote:
That's true, In The Court is more influential than "Masterpiece"...
Most interesting albums from KC are in the 72-74 period. |
"In the Court" is not even that influential. in the way "from now on many other groups wanted to make albums like that". there are several albums which were recorded at about the same time that were quite simjilr. interestingly there is one band for which "TCOTCK was very influential, and that band was Genesis, as can be read in the Genesis book by Armando Gallo but I think on the whole the album is overrated as "influence". there was a lot of similar stuff around at the time; had ITCOTCK not be made prog would have happened nevertheless
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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let prog reign
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Posted: January 01 2011 at 09:00 |
Definitely all of Ayreons stuff
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Aragon
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Posted: January 02 2011 at 15:21 |
All the albums of Pink Floid and Rush
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: January 02 2011 at 21:34 |
BaldJean wrote:
King Winter wrote:
That's true, In The Court is more influential than "Masterpiece"...
Most interesting albums from KC are in the 72-74 period. |
"In the Court" is not even that influential. in the way "from now on many other groups wanted to make albums like that". there are several albums which were recorded at about the same time that were quite simjilr. interestingly there is one band for which "TCOTCK was very influential, and that band was Genesis, as can be read in the Genesis book by Armando Gallo but I think on the whole the album is overrated as "influence". there was a lot of similar stuff around at the time; had ITCOTCK not be made prog would have happened nevertheless
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Yeah, well In the Court of the Crimson King did get made, and I was into music at the time, and we all knew it was something very special. So there.
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