3 Prog Rock Giants

Dayvenkirq wrote: rogerthat wrote: If it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it is wrong if it does to somebody else.   This piece easily crushes any Genesis or Yes track for sheer heaviness: Or this, for that matter: By the way, I love Genesis and Yes too but I doubt you are going to believe me the moment I say something positive about KC.  Seems your universe is a pretty binary one. Exactly my point. KC are the heaviest classic prog band I've ever heard.

does it have to be heavy to be good though? not necessarily and KC are Symphonic Prog not Heavy Prog

Dayvenkirq wrote: ^ You are missing the point. They don't have to be heavy to be good. Even when they are not heavy, they are goo-oo-ood. And, using the rough PA terminology and standards, no, they are not Heavy Prog, nor are they Symph Prog. They are under Eclectic Prog, though, and yet, technically, they are all three of these things ... well, ... were. Lastly, when I noted their heaviness, I meant to reflect the impression they've made on me.

ok

KC was symph only until Lizard, in my opinion. They maybe included some symph elements later, but they were never as symphonic as on In the Court or In the Wake. 

^ 

rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: does it have to be heavy to be good though? not necessarily and KC are Symphonic Prog not Heavy Prog Doesn't have to be, but the way you questioned Gandalff using the headbanging icon was as if to suggest they are not heavy at all and that makes no sense. They are clearly very heavy and if any of the big classic prog rock bands would at all be described as headbangable by this metalhead, it would be KC, not Yes and most certainly not Genesis.

That was the direction.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 24 2012 at 01:00

The Bearded Bard wrote: HackettFan wrote: smartpatrol wrote: 1.Genesis 2.KC 3.Yes This Yup!

Agreed!

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Originally posted by sagichim Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112   what concepts does Crimson have ??lame  Who gives a f**k about a concept? who gives flying f about a concept, Prog does, it's one of the factors that makes this kind of music great

Well maybe the niche part of prog you like, but not me.

Dayvenkirq wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: sagichim wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: what concepts does Crimson have ??lame Who gives a f**k about a concept? who gives flying f about a concept, Prog does, it's one of the factors that makes this kind of music great. Of all the concepts I've ever known or been aware of there are only few that could potentially make prog great. Let me repeat that: there are only a few concepts that could potentially make prog great. Some concepts can actually embarrass prog. Let me repeat that: Some concepts can actually embarrass prog.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 25 2012 at 22:36

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Dayvenkirq wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: sagichim wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: what concepts does Crimson have ??lame Who gives a f**k about a concept? who gives flying f about a concept, Prog does, it's one of the factors that makes this kind of music great. Of all the concepts I've ever known or been aware of there are only few that could potentially make prog great. Let me repeat that: there are only a few concepts that could potentially make prog great. Some concepts can actually embarrass prog. Let me repeat that: Some concepts can actually embarrass prog. A few concepts embarrass Prog but when they hit the nail in the head, concepts change a good Prog album into a masterpiece:  The Lamb - Genesis ... I could go on for hours. Conceptual albums are a cornerstone of Prog.

1) That's not the point I was making. Mr. PM2112 here claimed that concepts are "one of the factors that makes this kind of music great". My point is that it's not always the case. Some prog can live without concepts, like KC's prog. "Concepts" may be the cornerstone of prog, but not all concepts make prog great.

HAVING NO CONCEPTS DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE BAND'S QUALITY!


you're right but it enhances the band in my opinion

I like prog because for a while I can leave this world and enter into another. It happens with Syd Barrett who doesn't have a concept (but his whole life was a concept). In general a concept makes it simpler. A concept is possible also with instrumental only music. There's an album by Senmuth that's about the travel of Osiris in the realm of death until his resurrection which represents also the cycle of day and night. It's totally instrumental but if you know what has inspired the music what is apparently just dark and noisy becomes a story in which one can make a full mental immersion.