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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 03:08
These are mainly just the bands I tried over a long time period and just ended up disliking:

Pink Floyd
Genesis
Led Zeppelin
Rush
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 04:59
Originally posted by Matthew T Matthew T wrote:

LOL The next person who says the Beatles I'm gonna tell Liam and Noel Gallagher and they will come round, and punch ya upTongue
 
No way - they'll be too busy beating each other up if the Oasis publicity machine has anything to do with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 07:41
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:


 

Ermm Err... you did say "underrated," right?


Peter - sometimes your musical tastes concern me Mind you, the one on the right does look a little tooooo familiar - 'das you, innit! Newfoundland's finest boy band "Yes Bye" circa 1972

You kept that one quiet, you sly dog, you.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 08:06

Nirvana is easily the most overrated band ever.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 09:02
'Nirvana is overrated' ... is the most overrated half-ass comment bar none LOL...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 09:50
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

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I don't think 1997 is all that avant-garde except for the intro, something like Donkey Headed Adversary is more so, I think. [/QUOTE]

I linked the video specifically for the intro, actually. They have much more avant-garde songs, I agree
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 11:01
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

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Special honorary mention to Magma, as our Magmites tend to go way over the top.


Wurdah Phillip. Angry Magmites are de hundin!

But seriously, I liked your review of MDK.  http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=155993

 
Why thank you so much,  It's not that Magma is bad.   To the opposite, they are quite good.  It's just that we have more than a few fans who think that they can do no wrong here, which sadly is not quite the case.  That's why they only get an honorary mention.  They are great, but we have more than a few fans who think they are far greater than they are.


Yup. Doubtlessly a good band, quite creative, but I'm yet to understand their alleged 'genius'. I suppose a lot of their popularity comes from their 'aliens' schtick.

Just a few words on Gentle Giant - their awesome moments come nowhere near often enough, and when they do, they end much too soon. Listening to them is like almost having the ride of your lifetime.

Plus I can't shake the feeling they could have pushed the envelope even further, but deliberately chose not to - probably to avoid alienating their fans.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 11:37
Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

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Special honorary mention to Magma, as our Magmites tend to go way over the top.


Wurdah Phillip. Angry Magmites are de hundin!

But seriously, I liked your review of MDK.  http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=155993

 
Why thank you so much,  It's not that Magma is bad.   To the opposite, they are quite good.  It's just that we have more than a few fans who think that they can do no wrong here, which sadly is not quite the case.  That's why they only get an honorary mention.  They are great, but we have more than a few fans who think they are far greater than they are.


Yup. Doubtlessly a good band, quite creative, but I'm yet to understand their alleged 'genius'. I suppose a lot of their popularity comes from their 'aliens' schtick.

Just a few words on Gentle Giant - their awesome moments come nowhere near often enough, and when they do, they end much too soon. Listening to them is like almost having the ride of your lifetime.

Plus I can't shake the feeling they could have pushed the envelope even further, but deliberately chose not to - probably to avoid alienating their fans.


Regarding Magma, yup,  I'm a fan (my most listened to group over the last few years for sure), but agree that there are those who think the band is considerably greater than they are in various ways (I tend to think that most every band/ artist is overrated by some and underrated by others in various ways).  Sincere comments such as "Magma pwns all, n00b", "Vander is tha mostest innovative guy, evah", and "Magma iss de hundin, wurdah every other band coz they suck in comparison" betray that fact. LOL Okay, maybe you don't find a huge many actual comments of the type, and if they were made they'd likely be in jest, but you know some people think similar things.  I love Magma, it's amongst the best for me and find the band terrific, but some go too far with their praise when it comes to attributing levels of greatness that can be objectively considered (for instance, musicianship, compositional skill/ complexity, and innovation).  Side-note: I do think that much of that over-the-topness of some fans is in keeping with the spirit of the music, and is often tongue in cheek.

Regarding GG: I'm sure that they could have pushed the envelope farther, and wish they had.  And, incidentally, by their last albums they weren't trying to appease their long-term fans nearly so much as make musical concessions to have far wider commercial appeal, I believe.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 12:23
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:



Regarding GG: I'm sure that they could have pushed the envelope farther, and wish they had.  And, incidentally, by their last albums they weren't trying to appease their long-term fans nearly so much as make musical concessions to have far wider commercial appeal, I believe.


I think this confirms my point. They were probably always acutely aware of how many fans they had, and were never interested in doing anything that would reduce that number. Quite the opposite, as you rightly point out.

Didn't most of them play in some fairly successful pop group before the Gentle Giant adventure?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 14:22
Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

All a matter of personal opinion, in other words what we don't like that much as opposed to overrated in the true sense of the word, but my vote goes to ELP. I never did get the point of it all, far too overblown and, in truth, not that good, especially live, although I still rate Palmer highly as a drummer and love Lake's voice, especially with KC.

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hahaha... take a number... plenty of you types around here LOL 
 
I guess you 're right but if ELP is overrated in this site then I am the Queen of England.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 14:50
Rush is not an overrated band!!  They are f**king fantastic!  There are only like three albums that aren't good.
 
Dream Theater i can kind of understand.  The singer is definitely not my favorite, but the musicianship is amazing.
 
Slayer is good on a few albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:10
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Metallica
The Who
Radiohead
ELP
Nirvana
AC/DC
Anything 80s and remotely hair metal (GnR, Whitesnake, Motley Crue, Van Halen...etc)
Oasis
Slayer

I find it very difficult to put prog bands in an overrated category because prog is such a maligned genre not enough people like any of it for a band to be overrated (ELP are the exception which proves the rule).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:15
Originally posted by the_binkster the_binkster wrote:

Red Hot Chili Peppers
Metallica
The Who
Radiohead
ELP
Nirvana
AC/DC
Anything 80s and remotely hair metal (GnR, Whitesnake, Motley Crue, Van Halen...etc)
Oasis
Slayer

I find it very difficult to put prog bands in an overrated category because prog is such a maligned genre not enough people like any of it for a band to be overrated (ELP are the exception which proves the rule).



there are two parallel discussions going here....  groups that are felt to be 'overrated' without regard to liking them or not....

and the usual crap  *see the previous Nirvana comment* where someone who doesn't like something ignores everything and just assumes because they don't like it.. and others do... it is thus *drumrolll*  overrated. I'll state this for the record... anyone who thinks Nirvana is an overrated group doesn't know crap for music.  Liking them or not has nothing to do with that.  LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:16
One more for Pink Floyd. The closer any band gets to being seen as perfection, the more likely it is overrated. They had one excellent release (Animals) but plenty of mediocre stuff. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:24
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by the_binkster the_binkster wrote:

Red Hot Chili Peppers
Metallica
The Who
Radiohead
ELP
Nirvana
AC/DC
Anything 80s and remotely hair metal (GnR, Whitesnake, Motley Crue, Van Halen...etc)
Oasis
Slayer

I find it very difficult to put prog bands in an overrated category because prog is such a maligned genre not enough people like any of it for a band to be overrated (ELP are the exception which proves the rule).



there are two parallel discussions going here....  groups that are felt to be 'overrated' without regard to liking them or not....

and the usual crap  *see the previous Nirvana comment* where someone who doesn't like something ignores everything and just assumes because they don't like it.. and others do... it is thus *drumrolll*  overrated. I'll state this for the record... anyone who thinks Nirvana is an overrated group doesn't know crap for music.  Liking them or not has nothing to do with that.  LOL


(In fact I enjoy listening to all of those bands there when I am in the mood for them.)

It's not that I don't like them...I just think that the level of popularity they garner is unjustified. They didn't start the grunge movement, they didn't make the best album of the period, rather they hit it big with an anthem which although musically boring resonated with popular culture. There was little variation (the beginnings of Lithium and Rape Me I swear are exactly the same) and, I know it sounds callous but, if Kurt hadn't blown his brains out I doubt they would be the "influential", godfathers of Alternative Rock that they now seem to be.

I seriously object to someone thinking that because I consider Nirvana to be overrated, I know "crap for music".




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:33
a figure of speech....  don't take offense to anything I say hahah.

sure they were not best... didn't start it... but what they were was the face of it...  we can argue the why's and whether they should have all day long.. but that does not change the fact that they were and heralded a changing of the guard in rock music.. popular music.   Whether one likes it or not is not the point.. the fact that they were is indisputable... thus calling them overrated is silly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:40
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

a figure of speech....  don't take offense to anything I say hahah.

sure they were not best... didn't start it... but what they were was the face of it...  we can argue the why's and whether they should have all day long.. but that does not change the fact that they were and heralded a changing of the guard in rock music.. popular music.   Whether one likes it or not is not the point.. the fact that they were is indisputable... thus calling them overrated is silly.


So you agree that they weren't the best band and that they weren't the innovators...Considering this, their position as the faces for the changing of said guard is insubstantiated and hence they are overrated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:44
Gues im one of few, that usualy find something to like in most bands, i dont get let down very often by new bands i try maybe its caus i know what i like, but i got a very broad tast and got albums and artists i like from pretty much every prog sub gener, gues some people are les picky then others...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:45
being best has nothing to do with it.... best according to who....  means nothing...


innovators?... innovation means little in itself  until someone puts it into practice.  Nirvana is who did that... who took Grunge and had Joe Six-pack in Sh*t Falls Alabama listening to it.....they receive the credit they deserve for doing that...

your point should not be that Nirvana is overrated but groups like 7 Year Bitch are underrated....not getting credit enough for helping start Grunge hahha. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2009 at 21:39
Originally posted by TheCaptain TheCaptain wrote:

One more for Pink Floyd. The closer any band gets to being seen as perfection, the more likely it is overrated. They had one excellent release (Animals) but plenty of mediocre stuff. 
 
 
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