Overrated Bands (Opininonated!)
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Topic: Overrated Bands (Opininonated!)
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Subject: Overrated Bands (Opininonated!)
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 14:30
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What are some bands that everyone in the entire world seems to rave about (here or elsewhere) but you really just can't grasp??? For me that list is: RUSH!!! I bought Moving Pictures, it's an OK album, but what's so god damn great about it??? The emotions are shallow and fake, the songs are poppy, the synths are cheesy, and it sounds like someone stuck Geddy's balls in a meat grinder when he was 2... Slayer, the most overrated metal group of all time... Ayreon, I totally respect this guy for what he does as well as respecting the individual singers/musicians, but I just find his music REALLY annoying. Dream Theater, I literally walked out after enduring a half an hour of their concert. It was pretty horrible. That said, they're talented musicians, but they're so mechanical yet cheesy. Oh, and James LaBrie is my all time least favorite vocalist. Marillion, Another just OK band. They're music is SO cheesy and unoriginal... not for me. Tangerine Dream. I found this band to be very boring. Although, if I were to need to sleep, I'd put that record on in a second. There is MUCH more beautiful yet equally as mellow music. Lamb of God, I'll put this on here just because I have several friends who are just obsessed with them. They're so ridiculously mediocre it's not funny! Oh, I forgot to put IN MY OPINION ©. Jake ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 14:37
| I have somehow acquired 6 Rush albums over the last few years. There's about one CD's worth of interesting material buried in there. |
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 14:47
| but...Rush's music follows established progressive rock song structures only with a hard rock edge, they're obviously good! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 14:51
hahhahah... thank God at least for The Necromancer.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 15:02
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Rush isn't that bad.... ------------- 
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Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 15:11
| I pretty much agree with all except Rush, many do have a problem with Geddys voice. You may not like the bands material but Rush are some the greatest musicians ever in rock. And Early Tangerine Dream is really good like Phaedra and Rubycon. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 15:13
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Led Zeppelin is a band I think is respected more for what they influenced than for their actual music. It's not that they're bad, it's just that everything they did their imitators did much better. I don't get that feeling when listening to similar contemporary bands like Black Sabbath.
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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 16:45
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 16:47
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my 'Acadamy for the Overrated' contains the following:
Ayreon
The Mars Volta
Opeth
Savatage
King Diamond
(much of) Rhapsody
I've tried all of those names, but without success..  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 17:32
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The Mars Volta can't be more overrated. They've released one decent album, one mediocre one and two atrocities... yet they're heralded as the second coming....
Of course Sigur Ros... even if one person likes the, that's too much.
King Crimson had its moments but its god-like stature is too much....
Among many more...
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Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 17:42
| I forgot to mention Dream Theater, probably the most overrated band on the site. I will admit they are great musicians. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 17:43
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I am afraid that you are all confusing 'overrated' with what you don't like.... Very few people here would mention as overrated a band or artist they actually like, but don't consider as the proverbial second coming. Personally, if I had to mention just one name, I'd go for Camel - a band I like (I own six albums by them, and listen to them with relative frequency). Very good band and all that, but worshipped by some people here way beyond their merits. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 17:48
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Bands I consider overrated? Yes Rush Ayreon Anathema Green Carnation Shadow Gallery Porcupine Tree Camel Caravan Gentle Giant ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 18:08
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Oh it is so much easier to get people to hate than to love.
Here's my list.
Pink Floyd
Kansas
Gentle Giant
Van der Graaf Generator
Harmonium
Banco del Mutuo Succorso
Special honorary mention to Magma, as our Magmites tend to go way over the top. -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 18:20
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Van der Graaf Generator Camel The Beatles ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 18:24
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another vote for Camel uh, I guess I'll say Kayo Dot as well but I'm getting my flame-retardant suit ready  |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 18:43
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My opinion is that Camel is UNDERRATED. There you go I said it. I ve'been pretending to like those ELP w*kers for way too long. Now Moonmadness , thats a record I can enjoy all day long without caring for anything else. And the fact that there are no Camel albums in the top ten is disrespectful at the very least. Queen
Beatles
Queensryche
Pink Floyd
Uriah Heep
Tool
Marillon ( Specially Fish)
Kansas
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 18:59
I'll have to agree with Queen there... I do think Rush is overrated as a Prog band. |
Posted By: Dougie of Anubis
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 19:08
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Tool Marillion (fish era) And lord of all that is overrated - Camel. *yawn* ------------- http://hemina.bigcartel.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 19:09
Wurdah Phillip.  Magmites are de hundin!But seriously, I liked your review of MDK. http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=155993 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=155993 Just as Magma is over-the-top, so are the fans commonly. We're in the spirit of the music one might say. And one can never overrate Magma when it comes to its importance to Zeuhl. I'll post the last paragraph of your review with some poor changes in brackets. "[Magma fans are] pompous, bombastic, overblown, challenging, and totally in the spirit of the '70's progressive [bowel] movement while breaking [wind]. 4 stars [at least]." As for my subjective pick of overrated band (really an artist's work) based on fan reaction, I'll go with anything Neal Morse has been involved with. I don't think N. Morse is the musical genius that I've seen a number of people claim at this site and in other places. |
Posted By: Matthew T
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 19:12
 I see we all have our preferences, this is what makes the site interesting but now for mine and it may cause a sh*t storm but here it is
Kiss ------------- Matt |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 19:12
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I don't think Rush has released a definitive masterpiece. But from "A farewell to kings" to "Power Windows" all those are incredible records. "Moving Pictures" is a bit overrated though. As for Queen , their second album is out of this world. But I have noticed that in Argentina Queen and Pink Floyd have some godly like status and can't be touched , the same with The Beatles among non prog fans.
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Posted By: moe_blunts
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 19:22
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pretty much every post rock band
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 19:42
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King Crimson Marillion (Fish era) Opeth Most popular Neo I've heard Los Jaivas Deep Purple New Trolls Banco Jethro Tull Just off the top of my head. And I don't dislike any of these bands (cept maybe the Trolls), I just find them to be often rated more generously than I would, which I think is the OP's question.... ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 19:54
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I think King Crimson is overrated, I like a few of their songs but having purchased four of their albums, I don't get it. . . . and for the life of me I can't figure out how Lark's Tongue is in the top 50. I have listened to it so many times trying to understand what the fuss is. Nothing. I also think Yes is overrated, again, they have a few good songs, but I don't think they're worthy of the hype. Finally, I go with Marillion. I know they carried the torch when few others did and they (according to some) spawned the Neo-prog genre but I don't get them. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: mwg5439
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 19:56
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I don't think many of the standard prog bands are overrated because outside of the prog community they are highly underrated (I.e. A random person on the street will most likely not even know of the band Camel) That being said I think a lot of 80s-90 rock is overrated especially Nirvana. |
Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 20:12
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Pink Floyd
Metallica
Kiss ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 20:17
for me.. would cause a sh*t storm but for none of this being a surprise......the usual cast and crew... f**king Camel - nice group... nice music... an absolute blip on the radar for any kind of importance or consequence in prog. What's worse.... they aren't even the best of that unchallenging sedate prog. The singer is attrocious... the band is *in relative prog terms* average, and the music..... yawn. At least Genesis was challenging... in it's own subtle ways. speaking of.. Genesis - how their albums are, with exception of one, completely overrated on the site. Don't agree.. look at the Lamb.. even people who like the album aknowledge the 2nd disk is a mess. Doesn't stop that from being a HIGHLY ranked album. God forbid in that happened to say... Tarkus if 50% of the material was judged.. subpar. Anyhow... overrated in my book . not on the massive order as Camel is of course. If it's a Genesis album... and not pop.. you'll find it in the top 100. Good or bad.. that is overrated. Jethro Tull - agree with some writers out there... their prog stuff with one major exception is 2nd rate at best and mediocre at best. The group was best and never topped the first 4 albums. Porcupine Tree- interesting early stuff... later stuff barely counts as progressive to these ears.. not to say it isn't good... but this is a prog site... we get paid to say the emporer has no clothes. That is why SW's solo album surprised me so... it was a departure from PT... and a damn fine album it is. stopping there before the AR mansion gets besieged ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 20:19
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Gentle Giant. Can't ever get into them.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 20:21
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Oh, and how could i forget.... Spock's Beard ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 20:26
 onpage 2 of my list... along with a couple of other modern groups in that vein...------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 20:36
Yeah, how could you! I never understood the genius there , good but certainly not great! Same for Neal Morse, a talented accomplished musician but nothing to goo-goo over! DT is not in there because they are not overrated , they are rated as a once-genius band (this by their fans) . Rush is not overratable because it is huge (just like the other prog 1/4 century institutions). As for Fish , have you ever seen him live? WOW! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 20:43
Twice, in the mid 80s. They were OK, just not great to me. Listening to them now, they seem even more ho-hum. They sure make Gabriel era Genesis sound like the real thing.  ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Matthew T
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 20:56
Thats great about Tull and PT because I know you won't ask to loan em ------------- Matt |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 21:03
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 21:57
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Porcupine Tree - They have some good songs and some great albums, but that's it. I don't really see what differentiates them from many other good bands. They have some really terrible stuff too. Others but thats by far the most overrated I can think of right now. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 22:12
You sir, are going to need not only the flame retardant suit, but a bullet proof vest for the Kayo Dot comment  ------------- 
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 22:59
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Sleepytime Gorilla museum! One of the biggest musical disppointments of my life! They're not intellectual, nor technical, nor thought provoking! I''ll tell you what they are, a joke! A really bad, poorly aimed joke! Theater prog! Music that sounds like it belongs on broadway! Goofy vocals and instrumentation, childish lyrics, and all around bad music. It doesny even strike me as avant garde, in fact, I would be embarrased if someone were to catch me listening to them. Just gross!
Also Neal Morse... But I don't even want to open up that can of worms.
Ha you know whats funny? I bought both "Of natural History", and Neal Morse's "One" on the same day. ------------- 
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 23:08
| Marillion & The Flower Kings |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 23:18
Agreed. -------------
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Posted By: rosenbach
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 00:12
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Agree with some of the already mentioned here:
Dream theater Porcupine tree Flower Kings Spock’s beard Sigur Ros And a lot of Progressive metal bands from the last years |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 00:16
Sounds like an early 60's band... Sgt. Peppers Lonely Heart's Club Band with Marillion & The Flower Kings At the Filmore ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 01:40
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over rated bands from where I sit. without any explanation and in no particular order and many of which I do enjoy. Rush Beatles Porcupine Tree Dream Theater Pink Floyd Camel Marillion Tool The Mars Volta dare I say Genesis Uriah Heep Jethro Tull to just name a few. Anyway, it's all just a bit of fun anyway. right? |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 06:46
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first of all I go with Raff that "overrated" usually means "gets lots of acclaim, but I just don't like it". that being said: I never understood all the fuss about Rush. certainly good musicians, though not as good as their fan club tries to make them (this especially refers to the "Peartians" on this forum), but their compositions are a bit dull, in my opinion. not my cup of tea -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 07:11
T, I'm gonna nominate you as the President of the Sigur Ros Appreciation Society!! Proceed straight to the Post Rock Appreciation Thread. Do not pass "Go", do not pick up $200!!!!!!!
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 07:23
Yeah, that's why I'm not a fan of the term "overrated" as such, just I can't see what the fuss is all about. But that's my loss. |
Posted By: Nov
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 09:56
I know I'm opening myself up to criticism here but I just think you are wrong to suggest that The Flower Kings are over-rated.
I would respectfully suggest that you sit and watch the "Meet The Flower Kings" DVD. This (at the very least)displays superb musicians playing brilliantly composed music.
As someone who grew up with Yes, Genesis, Camel and all the other 70s classic bands, The Flower Kings are, in my opinion the absolute real deal and the best band to emerge in the past 20 years in this genre.
Someone else put it better than I ever could in his review of the DVD I mentioned earlier:
The Flower Kings on this double-disc, live CD, featuring six compositions ("Garden of Dreams" is in two parts, making for a total of seven tracks) offer one of the brightest views yet of a band whose obsession with musical exploration and complex harmonic issues never, ever gets in the way of an honest expression of "song," and the human emotions and narratives within it.
Led by guitarist and vocalist Roine Stolt, this Swedish septet offers a live outing every bit as adventurous as their studio offerings. Stolt's debt to Yes' Jon Anderson and Steve Hackett is still everywhere evident, but his lyrics are not consciously obtuse, and are drenched in life-affirming scenarios.
Musically, the band's reliance on melody and harmony to carry forth their edgier musical explorations is a real blessing; they welcome the listener inside their sound world and make them a part of their sprawling musical narratives. One listen to the opener, "The Truth Will Set You Free," (clocking in at over 31 minutes), or Disc Two's 26-minute-plus closer, "Stardust We Are," proves that good music has no expiration date, and that inspiration is a deep well that knows no prejudices. This is the real stuff: brave, elegant, ambitious and yes, soulful.
Amen |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 10:21
I'll see your FK suggestion & raise you an Esquivel Other Worlds, Other Sounds (1958)
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 11:28
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I'm surprised by the amount the Flower Kings have been mentioned if only because they have a lot of detractors anyway and that most of their albums are rated around 3.7.
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Posted By: Nov
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 12:01
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TFK have only been mentioned 3 times
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Posted By: Nov
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 12:03
Err...ok then.
What do you mean though
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 12:04
| Well, make it four. Another band that isn't terrible, but they aren't the second coming either. |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 12:05
I'm gonna check out your suggestion - & I was making one of my own
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Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 12:12
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The Flower Kings Van der Graff Generator Both of these bands, while very talented musically, suffer in the composition department by invariably letting songs FAR outstay their welcome. ------------- 
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 12:38
Amen , let's shock the system here!
Let me throw another bomb: PETER GABRIEL IS OVERRATED
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Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 13:53
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^ Oh my!
Not many of these groups are overrated outside of the prog rock community. I believe the only real prog bands that are hyped to the nth degree outside of core prog fans are Rush and Pink Floyd. I would agree with someone who mentioned earlier that many prog bands are underrated in relation to other more popular groups (say Led Zeppelin) -------------
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 14:05
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Three pages? I think this topic is overrated. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 14:09
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All a matter of personal opinion, in other words what we don't like that much as opposed to overrated in the true sense of the word, but my vote goes to ELP. I never did get the point of it all, far too overblown and, in truth, not that good, especially live, although I still rate Palmer highly as a drummer and love Lake's voice, especially with KC. I stand prepared for a shedful of abuse!  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: mourningknight
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 14:28
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Porcupine Tree (and Steve Wilson!)
The Mars Volta
Tool
Weather Report
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Posted By: Matthew T
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 14:57
The next person who says the Beatles I'm gonna tell Liam and Noel Gallagher and they will come round, and punch ya up ------------- Matt |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 15:00
hahaha... take a number... plenty of you types around here ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 15:10
The Beatles...I'll take those lads from Oasis on anyday of the week!!! No but seriously now that you mention it Oasis is highly overrated. The Beatles however are at least deserving of the credit they receive -------------
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 15:23
 "opininonated"?
 or...
  or even...?
  Err... you did say "underrated," right?------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 17:10
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PA IS OVERRATED! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 19:26
Actually, I have all but one Mogwai albums and I love God is an Astronaut...
But that's about it.... ... -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 19:41
These Grammy winners musical talents were overrated:  |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 20:03
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^ That is correct, Logan -- that could be (and was) proved. They weren't really singers.
(It was thus out of the subjective realm.)
Similarly, one could correctly say that a "car of the year" or a gold-medal winning athlete was "overrated," if one had objective, hard evidence (facts) indicating that the car in question routinely caught fire after one year of use, for example, or that the athlete used steroids, or bribed judges.
The "accuracy" of other's music enjoyment, however, we can't objectively measure, or fairly pronounce to be "right" or "wrong." (Thus the word is erroneously used in the context of this thread.)
 Overrate: "to regard somebody as better or more capable, or something as greater, than is in fact the case" (Webster's dictionary, 2004 -- emphasis mine)  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 20:33
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I think this thread got under a lot of folks' skin, but it's important to remember that whether everyone comes out & says it or not, these are opinions that they possess...none of us have all of the same tastes, so why does it seem so offensive to some when a person openly expresses an opposing opinion? It isn't like they've attacked you or the music you've made... |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 21:25
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Underrated, I'd say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21OH0wlkfbc&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21OH0wlkfbc&feature=related
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 21:29
Why thank you so much, It's not that Magma is bad. To the opposite, they are quite good. It's just that we have more than a few fans who think that they can do no wrong here, which sadly is not quite the case. That's why they only get an honorary mention. They are great, but we have more than a few fans who think they are far greater than they are. -------------
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 21:31
I guess you 're right but if ELP is overrated in this site then I am the Queen of England.
In bondage
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 21:33
I really really like New Trolls, but I understand where you are coming from;
I detest Banco.
As for Tull, they had two really good releases and the rest doesn't stand up, so I get where you are coming from there also. -------------
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 21:35
Ditto. -------------
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 21:39
I would so like to agree with you on this, but I can't. Yes, the early PT stuff is interesting. Yes, they have moved away from their best stuff. No I can't claim that they are among the most overrated bands ever, although they definitely have an inflated reputation. -------------
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 21:42
I haven't heard enough from them to have a decided opinion, but right now I've heard nothing that tells me that your opinion is incorrect. -------------
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 21:56
To quote Julia Roberts"That was so good, I peed my pants" Priceless! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 22:48
Remember when we used to be friends. I like those old times. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Spammer21
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 22:59
Aw, c'mon man! SGM are great! Give them another shot. As for your arguments, Intellectual: The concepts of their songs/albums and interviews with them suggest they are intellectual (whatever that means). Even the name of the band is an extremely obscure reference. Technical: The song "The Ossuary" should dissuade you. But I also think this is evidence enough: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX67nl-esFg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX67nl-esFg Thought Provoking: Of Natural History is extremely thought provoking. In the booklet when they lined up excerpts from the Futurist Manifestos and that Unibomber text, it was amazing. I found that extremely thought-provoking. Theater Prog: 70s Genesis belongs on broadway more than SGM. They're an avant-garde band, for Christ's sakes! Avant-Garde: evidence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMtMTxLIASY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMtMTxLIASY but to each his own, right I think Yes is the most overrated band. They were half-way decent with Bruford but after that they were just annoying. |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 23:37
I really think Porcupine Tree is a bit overrated. I do like a few songs from their newer albums, but the rest is  I also don't get why Mogwai is so well liked, and why everyone is hatin' on poor Sigur Ros. As far as rock (the non prog type) goes, KISS and Pink Floyd especially. If it wasn't for Money and The Wall PF might have been able to enjoy their obscurity a bit longer. Everyone I've met that knows PF inescapably mentions Money or Another Brick in the Wall, pt. 2, which are both highly overrated IMO. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 02:07
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Porcupine Tree (probably the most annoying for me since I fail to see their current relation to prog, yet they are the saviours of the genre), Led Zeppelin (most overrated sound in the universe), Tool, Yes, King Crimson (although I like Thrak), Jethro Tull, ELP, Genesis (although Foxtrot is nice), Magma (they've threatened to kick me out of the RIO Room for my refusal to join the cult), Radiohead, etc.
Huh, I'm not sure I actually like prog. ;-)
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Posted By: Octavian
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 03:08
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These are mainly just the bands I tried over a long time period and just ended up disliking: Pink Floyd Genesis Led Zeppelin Rush Queen |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 04:59
No way - they'll be too busy beating each other up if the Oasis publicity machine has anything to do with it. ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 07:41
Peter - sometimes your musical tastes concern me  Mind you, the one on the right does look a little tooooo familiar - 'das you, innit!  Newfoundland's finest boy band "Yes Bye" circa 1972
You kept that one quiet, you sly dog, you.
http://www.freesmileys.org">  ------------- 
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Posted By: slacker babbath
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 08:06
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Nirvana is easily the most overrated band ever. ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 09:02
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'Nirvana is overrated' ... is the most overrated half-ass comment bar none ...
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Posted By: Spammer21
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 09:50
I linked the video specifically for the intro, actually. They have much more avant-garde songs, I agree |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 11:01
Yup. Doubtlessly a good band, quite creative, but I'm yet to understand their alleged 'genius'. I suppose a lot of their popularity comes from their 'aliens' schtick. Just a few words on Gentle Giant - their awesome moments come nowhere near often enough, and when they do, they end much too soon. Listening to them is like almost having the ride of your lifetime. Plus I can't shake the feeling they could have pushed the envelope even further, but deliberately chose not to - probably to avoid alienating their fans. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 11:37
Regarding Magma, yup, I'm a fan (my most listened to group over the last few years for sure), but agree that there are those who think the band is considerably greater than they are in various ways (I tend to think that most every band/ artist is overrated by some and underrated by others in various ways). Sincere comments such as "Magma pwns all, n00b", "Vander is tha mostest innovative guy, evah", and "Magma iss de hundin, wurdah every other band coz they suck in comparison" betray that fact.
Okay, maybe you don't find a huge many actual comments of the type, and
if they were made they'd likely be in jest, but you know some people
think similar things. I love Magma, it's amongst the best for me and find the band terrific, but some go too far with their praise when it comes to attributing levels of greatness that can be objectively considered (for instance, musicianship, compositional skill/ complexity, and innovation). Side-note: I do think that much of that over-the-topness of some fans is in keeping with the spirit of the music, and is often tongue in cheek.Regarding GG: I'm sure that they could have pushed the envelope farther, and wish they had. And, incidentally, by their last albums they weren't trying to appease their long-term fans nearly so much as make musical concessions to have far wider commercial appeal, I believe. |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 12:23
I think this confirms my point. They were probably always acutely aware of how many fans they had, and were never interested in doing anything that would reduce that number. Quite the opposite, as you rightly point out. Didn't most of them play in some fairly successful pop group before the Gentle Giant adventure? |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 14:22
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Posted By: herojoe
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 14:50
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Rush is not an overrated band!! They are f**king fantastic! There are only like three albums that aren't good.
Dream Theater i can kind of understand. The singer is definitely not my favorite, but the musicianship is amazing.
Slayer is good on a few albums.
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Posted By: the_binkster
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:10
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Red Hot Chili Peppers Metallica The Who Radiohead ELP Nirvana AC/DC Anything 80s and remotely hair metal (GnR, Whitesnake, Motley Crue, Van Halen...etc) Oasis Slayer I find it very difficult to put prog bands in an overrated category because prog is such a maligned genre not enough people like any of it for a band to be overrated (ELP are the exception which proves the rule). |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:15
there are two parallel discussions going here.... groups that are felt to be 'overrated' without regard to liking them or not.... and the usual crap *see the previous Nirvana comment* where someone who doesn't like something ignores everything and just assumes because they don't like it.. and others do... it is thus *drumrolll* overrated. I'll state this for the record... anyone who thinks Nirvana is an overrated group doesn't know crap for music. Liking them or not has nothing to do with that. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:16
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One more for Pink Floyd. The closer any band gets to being seen as perfection, the more likely it is overrated. They had one excellent release (Animals) but plenty of mediocre stuff.
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Posted By: the_binkster
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:24
(In fact I enjoy listening to all of those bands there when I am in the mood for them.) It's not that I don't like them...I just think that the level of popularity they garner is unjustified. They didn't start the grunge movement, they didn't make the best album of the period, rather they hit it big with an anthem which although musically boring resonated with popular culture. There was little variation (the beginnings of Lithium and Rape Me I swear are exactly the same) and, I know it sounds callous but, if Kurt hadn't blown his brains out I doubt they would be the "influential", godfathers of Alternative Rock that they now seem to be. I seriously object to someone thinking that because I consider Nirvana to be overrated, I know "crap for music". |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:33
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a figure of speech.... don't take offense to anything I say hahah. sure they were not best... didn't start it... but what they were was the face of it... we can argue the why's and whether they should have all day long.. but that does not change the fact that they were and heralded a changing of the guard in rock music.. popular music. Whether one likes it or not is not the point.. the fact that they were is indisputable... thus calling them overrated is silly. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: the_binkster
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:40
So you agree that they weren't the best band and that they weren't the innovators...Considering this, their position as the faces for the changing of said guard is insubstantiated and hence they are overrated. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:44
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Gues im one of few, that usualy find something to like in most bands, i dont get let down very often by new bands i try maybe its caus i know what i like, but i got a very broad tast and got albums and artists i like from pretty much every prog sub gener, gues some people are les picky then others... ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 15:45
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being best has nothing to do with it.... best according to who.... means nothing... innovators?... innovation means little in itself until someone puts it into practice. Nirvana is who did that... who took Grunge and had Joe Six-pack in Sh*t Falls Alabama listening to it.....they receive the credit they deserve for doing that... your point should not be that Nirvana is overrated but groups like 7 Year Bitch are underrated....not getting credit enough for helping start Grunge hahha. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 21:39
 Damn right |