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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:20
Don't worry at all, Micky is a lot like me... His bark is much worse than his bite, and he's got a heart of gold. SmileUnfortunately, the medium can lend itself to misunderstandings of every kind - the essential thing is to realise they are nothing but misunderstanding, and that no one is out for anyone else's blood.Wink

As to the 'horrible', well, I told you I do a lot of writing in my work, but I didn't tell you I am a former teacherLOL...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:48
Ah! Now it makes sense, lol.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:52
Hey Raff, what is your opinion on Cavalettas? It is my pet peeve of the album, along with Askleios.. actually, i don't hold the album in very high regard at all.. ah well. :)

Also, keep spreading the word about Kate Bush's Aerial. I heard you got Micky into it, but i listened to disc 2 again today and i realised that it is simply masterliness. It deserves more attention.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:57
I'd have to listen to the album carefully once again... Now it's been a few days I haven't given it a spin, and with good reason. I've gone back to full-time work, and adjusting to a new schedule is making me very tired in the evenings. When I am so tired, I can't concentrate too much on music, especially when it is as demanding as TMV's.

Anyway, I don't remember "Cavalettas" being a bad song, though perhaps a bit too long. Tomorrow I'll give it a proper listen, and report here!Wink

Aerial is a fantastic album, and Kate has been one of my musical idols since I was in my early 20s. Micky will try to get her into Xover to keep her good friend Peter Gabriel company.... which I think she highly deserves.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 14:03
Oh, i have only heard Hounds of love and Aerial, but Aerial is truly ... crossover, or whatever it's called nowadays :)
Hounds of love isn't void of prog elements either, the second half is at least conceptual in theme, even if less so musically. Haven't heard much else, but it is clear that she is a very artistic person, and as far as i know, she never overdoes it.

Ah, Aerial is the perfect summer album. It's so warm, somehow. Maybe the artwork that goes with it ha something to do with that as well :)

Edit: i just posted a review of "Aerial", and since noone will ever see it due to the new rules discriminating non-collaborators (just kidding... or am i?), i was thinking i'd say it here instead, maybe you could take a look at it? :) I try to do my best with all reviews, and i know i sometimes go too far with the metaphors and all that, but.. well. :) Aerial is a great album and it deserves attention..


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:01
Originally posted by Evans Evans wrote:

Oh, i have only heard Hounds of love and Aerial, but Aerial is truly ... crossover, or whatever it's called nowadays :)
Hounds of love isn't void of prog elements either, the second half is at least conceptual in theme, even if less so musically. Haven't heard much else, but it is clear that she is a very artistic person, and as far as i know, she never overdoes it.

Ah, Aerial is the perfect summer album. It's so warm, somehow. Maybe the artwork that goes with it ha something to do with that as well :)

Edit: i just posted a review of "Aerial", and since noone will ever see it due to the new rules discriminating non-collaborators (just kidding... or am i?), i was thinking i'd say it here instead, maybe you could take a look at it? :) I try to do my best with all reviews, and i know i sometimes go too far with the metaphors and all that, but.. well. :) Aerial is a great album and it deserves attention..


I love Ariel... love that album... and saw your review.. great review Clap

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:15
A clappie from the clappie man himself! Thanks, Micky, i try my best. I should probably get around to it more often if i ever want any title under my name, though, haha! :)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:23
damn... I did only give you one... that deserved another... that was my first Bush album... Raff suggested it to me and I picked it up.  Enthralling album.  Have some clappies..

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Reviewing does help but not necessarily essential...  we have had some who were promoted with less than 5 reviews... hell I think I only had two or three and they weren't that good.  I'm not a reviewer.. but a forward thinker I guess.... though I'd bet my paycheck my sponsor regrets the day he suggested me for promotion hahhaha
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:28
Forward thinker indeed.. you gave five stars to SFAM and then spent a few hundred pages explaining why it was such a pain in the ass to listen to.. : ) Strange.. but VERY prog.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:32
Originally posted by Evans Evans wrote:

Forward thinker indeed.. you gave five stars to SFAM and then spent a few hundred pages explaining why it was such a pain in the ass to listen to.. : ) Strange.. but VERY prog.


Wink that is how to review an album you don't like LOL As far as the ratings.. .admittedly I do rank them differently.. and give multiple ratings... one of the site since let's face it... few honestly care if I like an album or not.. but when you have heard... 100's ...scores of 100's of prog albums...  you do.. or should.. have some measure of what people should be listening to... for a sense of prog.  I hated it... but man alive...  too many think it is a classic album.. and a great one... for it to be stamped with 1 star.. or 0 if I remember right hahhah.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:37
Have you tried any DT since you discovered Opeth and Mastodon? Not that they are alike or anything, and i really only like A change of seasons by them, but maybe you had some sort of anti-metal barrier which was torn down by Opeth.. but who cares, really. It's just one band anyway..
Ah well. I'm going to bed. In a poor attempt to appear on topic i will say that i still don't get Bedlam at all. Goodnight.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:45
Raff has all the DT but Octavarium so I've heard them all but that one.... and since I really took more of an interest in PM since last summer ... I have heard SC.  I bought it for Raff as sort of a gag gift for Xmas... and funny thing is.... we both sort of enjoyed it.  LOL  Just softening in our old age I guess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:52
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Raff has all the DT but Octavarium so I've heard them all but that one.... and since I really took more of an interest in PM since last summer ... I have heard SC.  I bought it for Raff as sort of a gag gift for Xmas... and funny thing is.... we both sort of enjoyed it.  LOL  Just softening in our old age I guess.
 
The ironic thing is, I just got through reviewing a DT album, then I come on here and read this LOL
 
Well, with me (as I say in the review, actually), it's alwaysbeen a double-edged sword with me when it comes to DT. At times they can really move me, and others it just seems like they are keeping score amongst themselves as to how many notes they each played within a milisecond. Truly a love-hate relationship for me. Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:56
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Raff has all the DT but Octavarium so I've heard them all but that one.... and since I really took more of an interest in PM since last summer ... I have heard SC.  I bought it for Raff as sort of a gag gift for Xmas... and funny thing is.... we both sort of enjoyed it.  LOL  Just softening in our old age I guess.
 
The ironic thing is, I just got through reviewing a DT album, then I come on here and read this LOL
 
Well, with me (as I say in the review, actually), it's alwaysbeen a double-edged sword with me when it comes to DT. At times they can really move me, and others it just seems like they are keeping score amongst themselves as to how many notes they each played within a milisecond. Truly a love-hate relationship for me. Confused


DT has always been a bit of an enigma to me ...face it... what is the one band you can really say DT are very...very similar to.... yes... one of the bands I absolutely ADORE most... Emerson, Lake, and Palmer.  Much  of the same sh*t that is slung at DT... could..and has been thrown at ELP.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 21:06
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Raff has all the DT but Octavarium so I've heard them all but that one.... and since I really took more of an interest in PM since last summer ... I have heard SC.  I bought it for Raff as sort of a gag gift for Xmas... and funny thing is.... we both sort of enjoyed it.  LOL  Just softening in our old age I guess.
 
The ironic thing is, I just got through reviewing a DT album, then I come on here and read this LOL
 
Well, with me (as I say in the review, actually), it's alwaysbeen a double-edged sword with me when it comes to DT. At times they can really move me, and others it just seems like they are keeping score amongst themselves as to how many notes they each played within a milisecond. Truly a love-hate relationship for me. Confused


DT has always been a bit of an enigma to me ...face it... what is the one band you can really say DT are very...very similar to.... yes... one of the bands I absolutely ADORE most... Emerson, Lake, and Palmer.  Much  of the same sh*t that is slung at DT... could..and has been thrown at ELP.
 
Yeah . . . Dream Theater's biggest error I think is that they wear their influences too close to the surfece of everything. If they were a bit better at burying their influences and losing them within the music itself, it would be fine, but more often than not I will hear something in their songs that completely leaps out of the music and beats me over the head with the name of whatever band that EXACT riff was originally from. Pink Floyd and Yes are the two bands that I hear the most when I listen to them, but I know there are more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 21:17
for me... DT came to encapsulate what I don't like about modern prog.  Especially Patrucci's playing. Too clinical... overproduced.. and lacking the fire...passion... the warts that older recordings do have... modern groups with the  digital recording....effects out the wazoo make for good 'sounding' albums.. but in the end, in some cases... DT in particular though... they suck the life out of the music.  It may sound  strange ..but that is how I see it and explain why I can love the hell out of band like ELP that were similar in many ways to  DT.  King Crimson is a good example of that as well... great music.. with with a few notable exceptions... a very cold... clinical band. Music is life...life is about passion.  I like that in music.. ELP had it in spades.. DT does not.  That is probably the biggest reason for me not liking.. what is indeed an incredible collection of musical talent. 

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

for me... DT came to encapsulate what I don't like about modern prog.  Especially Patrucci's playing. Too clinical... overproduced.. and lacking the fire...passion...
 
Amen.  DT for me is, to paraphrase Shakespeare, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
 
Some will argue that's true of TBiG, but that's another thread, or actually this thread.  I've actually listened to TBiG a few times now.  I swear there's one passage that just reeks of Crimson's Sailor's Tale, mellotron (or whatever passes for that these days) and all.
 
One other point: I don't get why posters rush to be the first to review any given album.  Particularly for progressive music, I find it often takes weeks/months to come to terms with what's being presented.  If I dismissed any album based on a handful of listens, man, there would have been a lot of great music I would have missed out on.  But then I'm an old fart still trying to write a decent review of Another Green World...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2008 at 00:59
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

 
One other point: I don't get why posters rush to be the first to review any given album.  Particularly for progressive music, I find it often takes weeks/months to come to terms with what's being presented.  If I dismissed any album based on a handful of listens, man, there would have been a lot of great music I would have missed out on.  But then I'm an old fart still trying to write a decent review of Another Green World...


amen to that in return...  prog of ALL things needs to be 'heard' not listened to.  It isn't pop for god's sake hahaha. 

and you aren't an old fart.. just blessed with what my Granny used to call.. good old fashioned common sense. If you haven't listened to a prog album at least 7 times.... you are wasting bandwidth with a review.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2008 at 03:40
I'll get round to reading that Aerial review ASAP... I've just got back from the grocery store, and now I am relaxing with TBiG and PA!LOL

As I promised Evans, I've been listening to whether the drums and vocals really overwhelm everything else in the mix. So far, I don't really have that impression at all... The guitar sound is quite clear and audible, and Cedric's voice is not mixed higher than the other instruments. In my opinion, there a lot of vocal parts on this album, which is the main reason why the voice seems to be more prominent.

A very intriguing aspect of this album are the song titles, which seem to have been taken from both mythology and fantasy literature (two things I'm very much into). "Metatron" is a character from Philip Pullman's The Amber Spyglass (which I've started reading very recently), "Ilyena" from Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series, "Ouroboros" from a novel by R.E. Eddison called The Worm Ouroboros. Then, "Goliath" comes from the Bible, and "Asklepios" is the Greek god of medicine. However, I'm still at a loss as to what "Aberinkula" means...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2008 at 06:11
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

I'll get round to reading that Aerial review ASAP... I've just got back from the grocery store, and now I am relaxing with TBiG and PA!LOL

As I promised Evans, I've been listening to whether the drums and vocals really overwhelm everything else in the mix. So far, I don't really have that impression at all... The guitar sound is quite clear and audible, and Cedric's voice is not mixed higher than the other instruments. In my opinion, there a lot of vocal parts on this album, which is the main reason why the voice seems to be more prominent.

A very intriguing aspect of this album are the song titles, which seem to have been taken from both mythology and fantasy literature (two things I'm very much into). "Metatron" is a character from Philip Pullman's The Amber Spyglass (which I've started reading very recently), "Ilyena" from Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series, "Ouroboros" from a novel by R.E. Eddison called The Worm Ouroboros. Then, "Goliath" comes from the Bible, and "Asklepios" is the Greek god of medicine. However, I'm still at a loss as to what "Aberinkula" means...
Actually, it wasn't me, but i suspect whoever it was will be happy :)
No, i don't think they are any louder than they were on Amputechture. They're just not as good as they were on De-loused, is all.

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