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CryoftheCarrots 
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 Posted: February 22 2006 at 20:15 |
PROGSNOB!! You give Australians a bad name dude.  I bet you secretly(or not secretly) listen to commercial syndicated radio stations.Crawl back in your dinosaur prog bin.Hooray for modern prog artists of all genre's.
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Damen
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 20:17 |
Damn Aussies...you guys used to be cool, but you ruined it with those damn kangaroo shoes and Crocodile Dundee II! 
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Nipsey88
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 20:21 |
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Blackleaf
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 20:53 |
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Oh come on, Aussies aren't all bad ;)
I got into PT with "Blackest Eye" from In Absentia, and it was the only song I had for about 3 months before I managed to find a fair few of their albums at 78 records in Perth. And listening to their other stuff, it was all a LOT different to Blackest Eye, but in a good way.
I do think they require a fair bit of time to listen to. I wasn't exactly thrilled with Deadwing, the first half of the album is sameish, but I think it improves towards the end.
Sky Moves Sideways is perhaps a favourite album of all time. It's the kind of music you put on late at night without the lights in and relax in a big comfy chair and completely detach. Good stuff :)
BL~
I also think that people need to be reminded that prog artists don't make their music for a crowd, rather, they make their music for themselves, to push themselves further creatively. Obviously, musicians need money too, but they aren't as fussed about sales as, say, mainstream crap that's been put together by a corporation with the sole purpose of making money.
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CryoftheCarrots
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:20 |
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:26 |
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Figglesnout
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:27 |
modern prog isn't crap.
it's just some people are afraid to accept there is actually new music coming out.
notice how large the number of people that like modern prog is to the number that don't.
in my opinion, that alone is enough to justify that it isn't crap.
porcupine tree is no exception, there is better, but they are a very good band.
some people say that "modern prog" is not for them, but that can't be so because in my opinion modern prog is more varied than "traditional/classic" prog and there is much more to choose from and to like. you just have to search around. there are plenty of great modern bands out there and i' sure the topic-starter can find at least three to like.
plus, give them MORE TIME. this goes for any band you hear except for things you KNOW are sh*t. MORE TIME is the key to love.
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I'm a reasonable man, get off my case
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whitenoise
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:27 |
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I guess there is no better way to showcase an extremely meager understanding of a true visionary behind Porcupine Tree's works to date. Steven Wilson has an innate sense of melody, something I highly doubt you possess. Let me guess, got Korn in your cd player at the moment?
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:30 |
well there is alot of 18 year olds in here 
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CryoftheCarrots
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:35 |
 progrocks wrote:
I'm not a prog snob. My standards are just higher. I'm not blocking my ears when I listen. I just think music is continuing to get worse and worse and people are trying old ideas, because there is ALMOST nothing new to be invented. Porcupine tree sounded like a full on pop band when I listened to them. Not exciting enough ;) I think early 80s is alot better than post 1985 music. 1968-1982 is the period to search and search |
You have got to be kidding!How can you claim your standards to be higher in the same paragraph as saying you like any 80's music! That has got to be the worst decade of any in regards decent music of any kind.I can't listen to practically any of my 80's cd collection without thinking how could I ever have liked this sh*t! If PT are a full on pop band well that's it I have to say that I must like pop after all! BTW I am 45 years young.
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Blackleaf
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:35 |
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I think that's a harsh generalisation. I'm 17, and the majority of my music collection is pre-82.
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chamberry
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:40 |
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why is this thread still alive if it is as pointless as people say?
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moonlapse
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:44 |
PT is a great band. Saw them in concert last year for the first time and was an excellent show.
If I recall correctly from other threads, gentletull disses any music
that sounds like hard-rock or metal. Maybe he needs to get some
cojones by having a few pops and cranking up some Nile or Opeth or
something
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oldebag
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 22:18 |
Prog-man wrote:
All prog is good!!
I like PT (I'm a really fan). But I like old prog bands too.
- I like all Genesis (Gabriel-Collins-Wilson) and Yes line-ups (Yes, "Drama" and Rabin stuff too!). I'm very into King Crimson, Focus and Jethro. I like Kansas and Asia (Wetton or Payne, really!!). All Rush albums. And bands like Wobbler, Anekdoten, Sinkadus, Liquid Scarlet, who re-create that old sound 
- I like neo: Marillion (Fish), Pendragon, Arena, IQ, Pallas, Galleon, Jadis, Twelfth Night, Grey Lady Down, etc. 
- I like new prog like Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Ayreon, Sylvan, RPWL, The Pinneapple Thief, Marillion (Hogarth), etc. 
- And I like prog-related bands like Muse, Radiohead, Saybia, Codplay, etc.
1) Of course, I think the master pieces form the "old school" are "In the Court of the Crimsom King","Selling England by the Pound", or "Close to the Edge".
2) But there are more modern prog masterpieces like "Deadwing", "In absentia", "Trying to Kiss the Sun", "Deliverance", "V", "Snow", "Metropolis Pt. II", "The Masquerade Overture", "the World" "The Wake", "Ever", "Subterranea", "The Visitor", "Into the Electric Castle", "Moonshine", "Into the Electric Castle" "Mind over Matter", etc.
3) And stuff like "Absolution" and "OK Computer", too!
Prog is a recognyzable hybridized rock music. Is music that aspires. Epic or love songs. Long or short songs. With classic or modern influences. 4/4 o 9/8. Old or New.
If you sound exactly like in 1970 you're not in progress!
Let it be progressive, not retrogressive!
My friend: Try another albums from PT (and BLACKFIELD, NO-MAN, BASS COMUNNION, I.E.M., STEVE WILSON, and others of his works with O.S.I., FISH, MARILLION, PAATOS or OPETH) , and give another chance to the most important prog musician-writer-producer of this time!!!!!!
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oldebag
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 22:31 |
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WOW! I know how I reacted to this thread, but ,So many of you! PT is part of my day because of _what _they are saying....[or steve etc...] I'm an oldie and after a CLOSE listen I realised what the lyrics were to me.. I believe these guys are more sophisicated than floyd for the times . Suddenly, I'm 20 yrs. old again attached to music to keep me going. listen again, please.......It could be that you are really too inflexible to personalise PT. It is a trip! Maybe you've never had any different perspective... I sympathise.........
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hamham
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 22:52 |
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weird i feel sort of the opposite about 'modern prog' D:
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____VdGG____
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 22:55 |
I agree with En Regalia... you should go in the rubbish bin, but just don't bring the Tool with you, because they are a great band 
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Iron throated monsters are forcing the screams;
Mind and machinery box-press our dreams
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____VdGG____
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 22:58 |
And that is a strange suggestion. I'm 18 and practically all of my music collection is pre 80's 
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Iron throated monsters are forcing the screams;
Mind and machinery box-press our dreams
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 23 2006 at 02:08 |
____VdGG____ wrote:
I agree with En Regalia... you should go in the rubbish bin, but just don't bring the Tool with you, because they are a great band |
If he were in the dustbin himself, of course he would throw out all the bands that he previously put there ...
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 23 2006 at 03:11 |
see next post, there is a screw-up somewhere
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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