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Topic: porcupine tree-crap
Posted By: Guests
Subject: porcupine tree-crap
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 03:12
| yet another disappointing modern band I heard for the first time ;). They can go in the rubbish bin with Tool and Spocks beard. I have a feeling that Mars volta will be more of the same lol |
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 03:23
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Why don't you get a bigger rubbish bin and put yourself in there too?
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gentletull wrote:Posted By: Nazgul
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 03:31
Strange people live in Australia
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 03:38
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Putting them in the rubbish bin after hearing them for the first time indicates a lack of understanding about how to approach prog. I know if I had taken that attitude to some of my now favourite bands, I would have missed out on a lifetime of great music. |
Posted By: Pylo
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 03:49
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Which album did you listen ? Give them a second chance with "Lightbulb sun", "Stupid dream" or "Signify".
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Posted By: ken4musiq
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 03:54
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When you start to dis the new music, you know you're getting old. I don't think you will like Mars Volta either if you expect it to be like Gentle Giant or Jethro Tull. But they are a great group, kind of King Crimson meets Jeff Buckley with a little Mahavishnu Orchestra, salsa and the kitchen sink. |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 04:42
Oh GT! How could you consign PT to the dustbin after one listen?? If you listened to "Deadwing" first up - then I could understand you not liking the metal nature of that album. I was introduced to PT via "In Absentia" more specifically, the Mp3 of "The Sound of Muzak" from that album. I was impressed and was determined to find out more. Now I own 8 Porcupine Tree albums and if you are not into Metal my recommendation is "The Sky Moves Sideways" - not metal more psychedelic, space orientated. Lots of ambience and a true master piece from PT's Steve Wilson. Give them another go with some of their back catalogue and let us know whether you have changed your mind - Cheers ------------- 
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 04:49
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You started that post with a lower case letter and ended it without a full stop. I have a feeling your future posts will be more of the same. Much to learn you have BTW, what does 'in replace of' mean ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: the man machine
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 04:54
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i find that porcupine tree just sound naff and cheesy as with much
modern prog i have heard. i think i would tend to agree with you. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 05:06
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I don't see the relevance of such generic comments about Porcupine Tree. All of their albums are very different from each other, so all that these generic comments show is that someone doesn't really know them.
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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 05:17
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Gentle me ol son you will have to give them a good listening to as they are in my opinion a truly wonderful modern day prog band.What album did you listen to that could possibly make you have such a swift ill judged assessment.Take the good advice already given on this thread and you will enjoy.Surely you know you have to give music more than one listen. |
Posted By: Fritha
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 05:18
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Sounds like your rubbish bin would be one worth to rummage about, Gentletull. ------------- I was made to love magic |
Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 05:35
Quite right. I had to listen to Stupid Dream several times before deciding to take it to the second hand shop. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 05:41
I´m with EASY..Give them a chance fer Christ sake !!!!! 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 05:45
I can tell straight awway when I won't get much out of a band. I listened to deadwing and I know it will never do anything for me. It's doesn't meet my standards  . Old music is the best. It doesn't just sound awesome straight away, it is gets better after more listens :). I recommend everyone search and search for all the great old music because it's better than todays rock music  . I listened to Wobbler today and it sounds like a complete copy of tull, gentle giant, camel, genesis, elp and yes lol. It sounds alot better than porcupine and tool etc, but it was so much of a copy it was embarrasing
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 05:46
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I´ll give your standards a kick in the knee......
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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 05:50
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Have you tried any neo prog? IQ are closer to traditional prog than Porcupine Tree. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10">
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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 05:52
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That's your problem. You expect new music to sound exactly like the old music or else you don't like it. But if the new music does sound exactly like the old music you call it a copy. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10">
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 06:00
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That's why I hardly listen to new music, because all the great ideas are pretty much gone lol Kick me in the knee so i can drop down to your lower standards? ;) |
Posted By: Fritha
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 06:02
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It sounds like you have a lot of preconceptions about any new music, Gentletull... And I´m afraid you are losing out unless you start widening your standards a bit, lol. Of course, you could try some of the other new popular music, not just prog, perhaps that would work out better for you. ANYTHING to make you discover some of the GREAT new music out there! Not that the oldies are not fantastic -I, too, love to add them to my collection- but from time to time it´s kind of healthy to come up for air as it can get a bit 'dusty' when exclusively dwelling in the golden 60´s and 70´s, lol! ------------- I was made to love magic |
Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 06:06
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It's all a matter of taste. If you don't like the new stuff then that's your choice but I think you'll get bored one day just listening to the same music over and over again. Probably all the great ideas went out with the classical composers. Everything since then just rehashes the same old notes and chords. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10">
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 06:10
| hey i like nicain and opeths slower stuff. I should go out and buy some niacin soon :) |
Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 06:20
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That's good then .... hang on ... did you know that Opeth's slower stuff is closely related with Porcupine Tree? Steve Wilson of Porcupine Tree has had a big influence on toning down Opeth, who were basically a death metal band in the beginning. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10">
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 06:20
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 06:56
| I disagree gentletull, the first time I played pain of salvation,(remeny lane)I thought it really sucked, I didnt replay it until weeks later, now I play it at least twice a week,,,,,Give it time.... |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 07:01
i love porcupine tree   ------------- 
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Posted By: Bionic Commando
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 08:06
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First of all, I wouldn't really class PT as new. They formed around 1987. That's nearly 20 years. Secondly, I both agree and disagree with what you said. There are metal elements to the albums you mentioned, in particular Deadwing. However I just can't see how In Absentia is 'too metal'. I play that album to metal fans just for a kick and they're usually nodding their heads to Blackest Eyes but when the singing kicks in they stop nodding and start disliking. Look at the likes of Trains and Collapse The Light Into Earth. Two of the most beautiful tracks i've ever heard. Hell, even Deadwing has Lazarus and Mellotron Scratch. Two tracks in a similar vein to those I just mentioned. Give them a few more listens and see if they can meet your high standards. You might be pleasently surprised. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 08:08
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Well my preference may be towards the old school, but I'll give anything a go. A friend of mine likes some Porcupine Tree, and has played me some. Cant remember which album but it was fairly recent and quite heavy (?) I didn't dislike it, but it didn't really grab either. My attititude to modern prog is, I admit, quite cynical. This attitiude is based on what I've heard by Dream Theater, Spocks Beard, Glass Hammer, Echolyn & The Flower Kings. With all these bands we have excellent musicians arguably wasting their time, paying tribute to their heroes. I dont think they make bad music per se, but if I want to listen to symphonic prog I'll listen to the original bands. The original and the best. I dont get as excited by a band that sounds like Yes, as I do about Yes themeselves... The Mars Volta is an exception. I had to force myself to part with cash for 'Frances the Mute' I thought I'd hate it, and wanted to actually hear it so at least I'd be qualified to hate it!! I was wrong. It's a great album, and I can honestly say I've not heard anything like it before. Truly progressive for that reason! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Karn Evil 9
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 08:22
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I gave porcupine Tree a try after hearing about them on this site a while ago, and I couldnt figure out what people liked so much I downloaded about 20 songs, about half of "in absentia" and I gave each song 5 listen throughs, but it was pure crap in my opinion. I learned from King Crimson that you have to listen to music a few times to get into it. Thats what happened with Dream Theater, the best "new band" out there today. I had to listen to Train of Thought 4 times before I realized that only the singer sucks, and the rest of the band was amazing. But Spocks' Beard and Porcupine Tree did absolutely nothing for me. They were both mediocre. And Tool has absolutely no talent whatsoever, and all their songs sound the same- It's like taking trash, and putting it into a compacter, and hearing the trash squealing and scraping together. I think that today, good musicians are almost impossible to come by. They seem to be flocking to the Metal genre though, Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment, Kamelot, Symphony X. There are some metal bands today. Then theres the growling . . . No comment about that. ------------- Watch out where the huskies go,dont you eat that yellow snow |
Posted By: Jools
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 08:38
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You'll have to define what you mean by "old". When does something become "old"? Is after a few months, a year a decade, a couple of decades? Genesis were still making music in 1997, Camel,Tull and Yes even more recently. Are these "old" or "new"? And if they're new then they should all go in the rubbish bin? I'm going to presume you only like something if it's over or around 30 years old which takes us back to anything before 1976. So given that, you're classing W&W by Genesis, Going For The One by Yes and Songs from the Wood By Tull as "new" and should go in the rubbish bin. Does this mean you automatically dislike everything after 22nd February 1976 and everything on or after the 23rd February 1976 becomes "new" and should go in the rubbish bin? You say "old" music sounds awesome straight away and gets better after more listens. How can something get better after more listens when you only hear it once? Also at some point "new" music is going to be "old" (again you'll have to give your definition of at what point) so at what point does it become good? "Old" music at some point was "new" so at what point did it become good? Lots of silly quite pedantic questions but no more silly than your sweeping, elitist and rather conservative earlier statements. I'm also going to presume you will not be able to answer any of the above without tripping yourself up. I bet you don't even try, which then blows your argument apart. I'm not going to try and convince you to like PT or any other band, you may never. Theres plenty of bands I never quite "got" but thats not because they're "old" or "new" they just weren't to my tastes but I didn't feel the need to "condemn them to the rubbish bin" or make silly misinformed comments about them. ------------- Ridicule is the burden of genius. |
Posted By: aprusso
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 08:49
| "The sky moves sideways" is one of the greatest albums of the last 30 years. Period. |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 09:27
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You don't like it... So? ...They are still interesting. From what I can tell, their period from the very firts album (I don't know for sure if that first album is "Tarquin's seaweed farm" or "On the sunday of life") to "Signify" (that I'm sure of) it's really worth it. And that argument about alll great ideas already gone... that can't take you very far. As always, old-school people complaining about new bands that doesn't sound like Jethro Tull - Genesis - Yes - King Crimson - ELP... ------------- ĦBeware of the Bee! |
Posted By: erlenst
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 09:29
If you know that you don't like ANYTHING after the 70's, not even the socalled "regressive" bands (whatever), then don't listen to it , and please shut up about it. This is just ridiculous. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 09:31
I was once not to frilled with porcupine tree but over time I have come to like them .. give them time they are quality prog 
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Posted By: Zweck
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 09:32
| Yo d00ds need to SERIOUSLY chill out, if he got a beef with Stevie, then Stevie go' pop a cap in that niggaz ass. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 09:34
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Yet another prog snob,this place is full of them. Don't worry,leave all the new,interesting bands,who are pushing the boundaries and trying to be innovative...to us. You go back and drool over your Jethro Tull albums. -------------  |
Posted By: oldebag
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 10:02
Why don't you get a bigger rubbish bin and put yourself in there too] You get the lid and I will push from behind!!!!!!! |
Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 10:06
Exactly what I think too. I never heard "new" prog I really like, and I listened to many bands ! I dont know, I dont like their sound...I try not to be snob in front of new prog bands, but I cant ! I disllike about all of them. Some exception, maybe for Anglagard and some song of other bands, but that's it....so I can understand what the original poster meant. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 10:50
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A someone here once said on another very similar thread: ''Lets stick our fingers in our ears and sing LA LA LA LA while pretending we are still in 1973.''
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 11:05
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You know, Australia is full of poisonous animals.................. ------------- |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 11:19
Exactly the way I feel also! SB, DT, TFK and PT are good musos and write correct music, but they are not pushing musical boundaries much. They just do not move me enough to actually want to keep the albums in my shelves or much less in the deck for a spin For modern groundbreaking , you must head into newer RIO genre like Miriodor, Alammailman Vasarat, X-legged Sally etc... But I am afraid most of everything has been done ____________________________________________________________ _____________ However, To say I am not a fan of PT, I have heard at least once over 90% of their albums and I listened extensively four of them. To say you do not like PT after one listen of Deadwing (which is all I did with that album) and dismissing the group's oeuvre however is not really open-mined To me if you really want to investigate Porc Tree, you must try Lightbulb Sun, Signify and Floyd-inspired Sky Moved Sideways ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Legoman
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 11:21
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It's definately alright to feel the way you do about Porcupine Tree at
first. I didn't think they were much of anything when I first
listened to them but, actually, I am listening to them right now and
enjoying the hell out of it! Definately try to listen to some other albums. I think that 'The Sky Moves Sideways' and 'Signify' are their weakest albums so if you started with those maybe you should look into Lightbulb Sun, Deadwing (for something a little heavier), or Voyage 34 if you are just in a strange sort of mood! Please give them another chance... and give The Mars Volta another chance while you are at it! |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 11:27
Seriously, why bother feeding these trolls? Every band has their fans and their detractors. Creation of these threads lead to pointless discussions; I recommend next time giving such posts the treatment they deserve - silence. |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 11:35
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Theres a whole new prog world around you know... and the air is much fresher ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 11:37
^  ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 11:37
You took the words right out of my mouth. This thread is pure flame bait, just look at the title and at how the post itself is phrased: (quote gentletull) yet another disappointing modern band I heard for the first time ;). They can go in the rubbish bin with Tool and Spocks beard. I have a feeling that Mars volta will be more of the same lol The guy doesn't want advice on how to get into modern prog, and he doesn't need it anyway, the only thing he needs is someone to check his grammar for him.
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Karn Evil 9
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 11:48
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Everyone says how much Porcupine Tree is influenced by Floyd, but none of the songs I heard from them sounded like Pink Floyd in the least. One of my friends is a big Porcupine tree fan, and she said they have alot of psychadelic sounding stuff. Which PT albums show this best? Im not a big fan of most newer music, but I like to give new things a try, and my head is where the sun shines ------------- Watch out where the huskies go,dont you eat that yellow snow |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 11:53
Sky Moves Sideways. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 12:05
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Let people dislike Porcupine Tree. Stop trying to explain the band is
good (or The Mars Volta, or Spock's Beard). Let them dislike after
listening one album, one song. Ignore these kind of topic. Are you
losing something because they doesn't like Porcupine Tree? Me not. I'm
not losing anything. I don't like them much (prefer bands like The
Flower Kings and Spock's Beard from the new prog rock bands), but what
is the problem? If someone says to me that he doesn't like seventies
prog, it is his problem, not mine. Why should I care and try to
convince him seventies prog is good? |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 12:18
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I don't take issue with him disliking Porcupine Tree. If he wants to
decide he dislikes something after one listen, that's entirely his
prerogative. I'm not sure why someone who's willing to make snap
judgements is even on a prog site, but whatever. However, his initial comment (as well as the topic of this thread) was flame bait, period. I had started to expect more from the denizens of this here fine forum. ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 12:38
porcupine tree is prog i guess by fusing nu-metal and piano pop??? i dont enjoy itspocks beard is garbage, one of those bands that are taking prog nowhere, while being cheesy and insincere. as much as i dislike dream theater they are a prog band since they helped in creating the flourishing genre of prog metal the mars volta is a good band theyre one of the firsts to have a prog band with punky aspects not including sonic youth interpol or joy division but those bands arent included on this website either... ------------- 
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Posted By: Prog-man
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 13:04
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All prog is good!! I like PT (I'm a really fan). But I like old prog bands too. - I like all Genesis (Gabriel-Collins-Wilson) and Yes line-ups (Yes, "Drama" and Rabin stuff too!). I'm very into King Crimson, Focus and Jethro. I like Kansas and Asia (Wetton or Payne, really!!). All Rush albums. And bands like Wobbler, Anekdoten, Sinkadus, Liquid Scarlet, who re-create that old sound - I like neo: Marillion (Fish), Pendragon, Arena, IQ, Pallas, Galleon, Jadis, Twelfth Night, Grey Lady Down, etc. - I like new prog like Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Ayreon, Sylvan, RPWL, The Pinneapple Thief, Marillion (Hogarth), etc. - And I like prog-related bands like Muse, Radiohead, Saybia, Codplay, etc. 1) Of course, I think the master pieces form the "old school" are "In the Court of the Crimsom King","Selling England by the Pound", or "Close to the Edge". 2) But there are more modern prog masterpieces like "Deadwing", "In absentia", "Trying to Kiss the Sun", "Deliverance", "V", "Snow", "Metropolis Pt. II", "The Masquerade Overture", "the World" "The Wake", "Ever", "Subterranea", "The Visitor", "Into the Electric Castle", "Moonshine", "Into the Electric Castle" "Mind over Matter", etc. 3) And stuff like "Absolution" and "OK Computer", too! Prog is a recognyzable hybridized rock music. Is music that aspires. Epic or love songs. Long or short songs. With classic or modern influences. 4/4 o 9/8. Old or New. If you sound exactly like in 1970 you're not in progress! Let it be progressive, not retrogressive! My friend: Try another albums from PT (and BLACKFIELD, NO-MAN, BASS COMUNNION, I.E.M., STEVE WILSON, and others of his works with O.S.I., FISH, MARILLION, PAATOS or OPETH) , and give another chance to the most important prog musician-writer-producer of this time!!!!!!
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Posted By: bctruce
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 13:07
Thanks for reminding me why I usually skip the threads with negative titles. |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 13:11
In other words theres no solution.------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 13:22
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If you haven't done so - watch the essential South Park episode "I'm a Little Bit Country". Country = Classic Prog Rock Rock 'n Roll = Modern Prog
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Posted By: IcedSabbath
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 13:23
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It's sad but true, man! All these modern prog/prog metal bands think it's a good idea to put crappy chug-along riffs into their music to make it sound "metal." They need to realize...it's fake metal! That being said, I don't like Porcupine Tree's last 2 albums. Too nu-metallic for my tastes. |
Posted By: ken4musiq
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 13:33
You're too funny. |
Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 14:03
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I have been listening to prog for over 30 years without being labelled as such. It was only when a more learned friend of mine said that my style of music is progressive that I have finally been labelled. Needless to say I am not too much into labels - just the music and PT is excellent. Why do you say crap. Can't you be more civilised and say that they are not to your taste. |
Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 14:33
I disagree with that if you're reffering to Tool. I would call Tool sludge rock with droning doom bass lines. But hey, they're just labels. -------------
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 14:36
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Why all the grief directed towards Gentletull? So he doesn't like the
Porkies? So what? Instead of sl*gging him/her off why not suggest
something new that might float his prog boat. If he likes Tull and Gentle Giant then maybe checking out Wobbler or something cleverly retro like that wouldn't be bad idea. No point telling him he's wrong, that's just thick. I can't stand a lot of bands but I can understand why others do (except in the case of Dream Theater, who require a lobotomy to be enjoyed ) just joking - well not really |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 14:44
Dont get me wrong, I dont dislike the bands I mentioned. Indeed, when I first discovered Spocks Beard and Glass Hammer I listened to them a lot. I liked the songs. But the novelty of discovering a new symphonic prog band wears off fairly quick for me as I inevitably compare them to the 'masters' and soon realise that the old ones are indeed the best. They were innovating, the new bands are copying. At the end of the day I would happily pay money to see any of these new bands, and I'm sure I'd love the show, but I'd pay a lot more to go back in time and see the 'masters' at work Out of interest Sean, what do you think of TMV? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 14:50
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There's a difference between not liking a band and calling them crap. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:00
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Not really - try this: I don't like Spock's Beard, I think they're crap. There you go, same thing There sensitivity and then there's silly political correctness. He should be able to call it crap if he wants. If people get upset enough to insult him personally for doing so then they, not him, need to do a bit of growing up... |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:03
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For the record - there's a user called Gentle Tull and a different user called gentletull here. Both post quite regularly. The topic starter is gentletull. Please don't confuse the two. ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:09
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Hell.. when I look at some post here i really feel like leaving the archives for a few days... egocentric moronic snobs! Good Night, Progarchives The Velvet Room is a good place... at least no one fights their stupid little wars there, no baiting, no primitive arguments, no negative stupidity and disrispect... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: thefalafelking
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:32
anyone who labels PT a band that fuses nu-metal and piano pop should have a serious lesson in the history of rock music. It's a quite arrogant thing to say. It degrades the sheer genius of S.Wilson. You should compare a song like Blackest Eyes with a Linkin Park song and you'll see that you do not know what you're talking about. PT changes and evolves with every new album, unlike modern tribute bands like Spock's Beard and The Flower Kings. Waste of talent, ' cause these are talented musicians. Call me a snob or whatever you like, but PT is a band that is genius and like every single genius, it is, unfortunately quite often not/misunderstood. this stupid thread is a fine example of what I'm talking about. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ozrictesticles/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/artists/ozrictesticles.gif - |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:47
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^ you deserve credit for defending PT ... but why do you have to dis TFK and SB at the same time? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:48
What Velvet Room have you been to ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:54
well said ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 16:14
this thread - crap ------------- 
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 16:34
the arguments aren't primite... and the stupidity isn't negative there and the baiting is just for fun...
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Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 16:43
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yet another negative thread about how much a certain band sucks If you don't like PT, that's fine, but don't go bragging about it as if it's something of which you should be proud. PT aren't one of my favorites, either, but I definitely respect them and don't think they're crap! ------------- My recent purchases: 
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Posted By: Zenith
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 16:58
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I'm a big Jethro Tull fan (for more than 30 years) and have allways enjoyed their music, especially from the period 70 to 79 and when I first heard the PT I thought: wow; this is also something worth listening to. And it took some time before I got into their type of prog but it has certainly grown and I think they are one of the finest "newer" prog bands today. ------------- We're only in it for the music!!! |
Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 17:10
On their earlier albums I hear spacey Pink Floyd-esque music. On their recent albums I hear nu-metal chug-riffs and piano pop. That's a fine example of what I'm talking about. -------------
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Posted By: mr.prog
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 17:25
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I'm sorry, like others have mentioned. You shouldn't judge it from one album. They have a lot of masterpieces and they all deserve good comments. Listen to it some more. Even if you don't enjoy it at first, it will grow on you. I started with In Absentia, and i fell in love, then went to Dead Wing. Then started at the beginning. Porcupine Tree is a phenomenal band and you should try to understand it some more. Steve Wilson is a musical genius ------------- lost track of time! |
Posted By: thefalafelking
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 18:07
You're not making any advance do you? You already said this. Isn't it normal that you have to find your own way on early albums? Besides, songs like 'the swallows dance above the sun, synesthaesia, nine cats, jupiter island,...' sound nothing like Pink Floyd. It's not because the press say it sounds like it, you should say it too. Concerning the metal influence, that one came from Opeth, is that a nu-metal band?? No, it isn't! Songs like Strip The Soul and Arriving Somewhere but Not Here are modern day masterpieces, perhaps not progressive in the old-fashioned sense of this website, but surely great and fantastic! If you don't like 'em, that's fine with me, but don't come running with those silly statements. They lead to nowhere. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ozrictesticles/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/artists/ozrictesticles.gif - |
Posted By: laztraz
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 18:07
| Of all the new bands I've discovered on this site Porcupine Tree is definitely the best. |
Posted By: thefalafelking
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 18:11
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Don't get me wrong, but when it comes to defending my favourite music, I can react quite passionate |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 19:01
Sorry, I just saw this thread so I'm gettin' here late, I know... I will respond to your moronic post with a moronic response... Good job Gentletull, I was worried that your knuckles scraping the ground when you walk would injure your hands enough so you couldn't type but... Now for my real response: If you don't have anything to add to a discussion forum other than the insightful revelation that so and so sucks, don't bother the rest of us with it. I thought that prog rock fans were an intellectual cut above, and they usually are, but posts like this just make me shake my head. I usually ignore them, but your post managed to offend me in some special way. Maybe because it slams 4 of my favorite newer prog bands without offering any meaningful bases for discussion other than, to paraphrase, "They Suck" Now, I also know that posts like these are designed just to piss people off, make the author feel important for a bit as he becomes the center of attention, and I should just rise above, but..what can I say, mission accomplished. To sum up: say something constructive or shut up. Turd. Whew, I feel better, sorry for the rant. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 19:19
| does this mean i should throw out my copy of coma divine live wait i like that album thinking this thread should have started as a review at any rate hopefully i will be the last poster and we can get on with the next hateful ting oh wait isn`t music suppose to move us differently oh by the way i think green day sucks don`t they huh well duh |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 20:15
PROGSNOB!! You give Australians a bad name dude. I bet you secretly(or not secretly) listen to commercial syndicated radio stations.Crawl back in your dinosaur prog bin.Hooray for modern prog artists of all genre's.
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Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 20:17
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Damn Aussies...you guys used to be cool, but you ruined it with those damn kangaroo shoes and Crocodile Dundee II! ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 20:21
Don't forget Yahoo Serious. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Blackleaf
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 20:53
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Oh come on, Aussies aren't all bad ;) I got into PT with "Blackest Eye" from In Absentia, and it was the only song I had for about 3 months before I managed to find a fair few of their albums at 78 records in Perth. And listening to their other stuff, it was all a LOT different to Blackest Eye, but in a good way. I do think they require a fair bit of time to listen to. I wasn't exactly thrilled with Deadwing, the first half of the album is sameish, but I think it improves towards the end. Sky Moves Sideways is perhaps a favourite album of all time. It's the kind of music you put on late at night without the lights in and relax in a big comfy chair and completely detach. Good stuff :) BL~ I also think that people need to be reminded that prog artists don't make their music for a crowd, rather, they make their music for themselves, to push themselves further creatively. Obviously, musicians need money too, but they aren't as fussed about sales as, say, mainstream crap that's been put together by a corporation with the sole purpose of making money. |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:20
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:26
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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:27
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modern prog isn't crap. it's just some people are afraid to accept there is actually new music coming out. notice how large the number of people that like modern prog is to the number that don't. in my opinion, that alone is enough to justify that it isn't crap. porcupine tree is no exception, there is better, but they are a very good band. some people say that "modern prog" is not for them, but that can't be so because in my opinion modern prog is more varied than "traditional/classic" prog and there is much more to choose from and to like. you just have to search around. there are plenty of great modern bands out there and i' sure the topic-starter can find at least three to like. plus, give them MORE TIME. this goes for any band you hear except for things you KNOW are sh*t. MORE TIME is the key to love. ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: whitenoise
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:27
| I guess there is no better way to showcase an extremely meager understanding of a true visionary behind Porcupine Tree's works to date. Steven Wilson has an innate sense of melody, something I highly doubt you possess. Let me guess, got Korn in your cd player at the moment? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:30
well there is alot of 18 year olds in here 
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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:35
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You have got to be kidding!How can you claim your standards to be higher in the same paragraph as saying you like any 80's music! That has got to be the worst decade of any in regards decent music of any kind.I can't listen to practically any of my 80's cd collection without thinking how could I ever have liked this sh*t! If PT are a full on pop band well that's it I have to say that I must like pop after all! BTW I am 45 years young. |
Posted By: Blackleaf
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:35
| I think that's a harsh generalisation. I'm 17, and the majority of my music collection is pre-82. |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:40
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why is this thread still alive if it is as pointless as people say?
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Posted By: moonlapse
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:44
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PT is a great band. Saw them in concert last year for the first time and was an excellent show. If I recall correctly from other threads, gentletull disses any music that sounds like hard-rock or metal. Maybe he needs to get some cojones by having a few pops and cranking up some Nile or Opeth or something |
Posted By: oldebag
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 22:18
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Posted By: oldebag
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 22:31
| WOW! I know how I reacted to this thread, but ,So many of you! PT is part of my day because of _what _they are saying....[or steve etc...] I'm an oldie and after a CLOSE listen I realised what the lyrics were to me.. I believe these guys are more sophisicated than floyd for the times . Suddenly, I'm 20 yrs. old again attached to music to keep me going. listen again, please.......It could be that you are really too inflexible to personalise PT. It is a trip! Maybe you've never had any different perspective... I sympathise......... |
Posted By: hamham
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 22:52
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weird i feel sort of the opposite about 'modern prog' D: |
Posted By: ____VdGG____
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 22:55
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I agree with En Regalia... you should go in the rubbish bin, but just don't bring the Tool with you, because they are a great band ------------- Iron throated monsters are forcing the screams; Mind and machinery box-press our dreams |
Posted By: ____VdGG____
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 22:58
And that is a strange suggestion. I'm 18 and practically all of my music collection is pre 80's  ------------- Iron throated monsters are forcing the screams; Mind and machinery box-press our dreams |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 02:08
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If he were in the dustbin himself, of course he would throw out all the bands that he previously put there ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 03:11
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see next post, there is a screw-up somewhere ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |