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Dellinger
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Posted: January 18 2013 at 18:48 |
jude111 wrote:
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Seriously, Waters. He had a kind of style that was his own, and instantly recognizable. That slow thump with drummer Mason (also under-rated). He might not be Jaco, or Wetton or Geddy for that matter... but then, that wouldn't be Floyd, would it? He was instrumental to the sound of the band. | But I somehow like better the bass sound from Gilmour, or the bass sounds used on Pink Floyd after Waters left. Of course, without Waters Pink Floyd wouldn't have achieved even a fraction of what they did, so it was much better having him as a creative force and a bass player than not having him at all. But for what it's worth, I believe Pink Floyd without either Waters, Gilmour, or Wright wouldn't have achieved a fraction of what they achieved together, it's only Mason that I'm more doubtful about the importance of his input to the band. |
I know that Gilmour claimed to lay down the bass on many Floyd tracks for THE WALL, and perhaps prior albums. I have a few doubts about this, though. For one thing, Waters really did write nearly all the music for THE WALL. In my opinion, Waters is a much more talented musician than he is generally given credit for. (As a guitarist, I'm impressed by compositions like "Cirrus Minor" and "Goodbye Blue Sky," and was astonished to learn that Waters, not Gilmour, wrote those pieces of music. Ditto "Hey You," which, if you are a guitarist and can play this, must admire its chord progression, phrasing, and overall musical structure.)
I think Mason's important as well. I mean, he's no Peart, sure. But Floyd was all about spaces between notes, less is more... Gilmour's solos were at half-speed, the Mason's beats, too... alot of space, haha. I wouldn't *want* Neil Peart in Floyd. It would sound like... I don't know, Eloy perhaps. (Who were good too :-) | However, it is two different things to write the music and to perform it. As it is two different things if the music is complex and if it is enjoyable. Now, I already stated that as far as writing I consider Waters essential for Floyd (and on the singing department too). As far as playing the bass, well they didn't need more anyways, and when they needed, Gilmour was a perfect fit if the sories are true. At least about the bass parts on Hey You, I do believe they are played by Gilmour, and I do like them a lot; and Waters surely wrote the guitar parts on that song, but surely it was Gilmour who played them, not Waters. I'm not really sure about other bass parts that Gilmour might have played for Floyd, except on "One of this Days", the beginning of which I understand was played by both Gilmour and Waters, and involved some overdubs. And indeed Waters wrote most of the Wall (as well as all of the Final Cut), and that's just the basis on which I say they were all important, because it shows in this two albums that they lacked the input from Gilmour and Wright, and not for the best, in my opinion. As for Mason, what I meant about not knowing how important he was for the band is on the writing, or the sound of the band. Indeed, the band didn't need anything more, but I would guess there would be other drummers capable of playing at the right speed and so on... though I may be wrong, he might just as well have been the perfect fit for the band. As a matter of fact, I do love his drumming on some of the earlier songs, like "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun", specially the live versions, and I wish he had done more of that sort of drumming withing the band (though it might have been out of place from Dark Side of the Moon and aftewards). |
Glad to meet a fellow Floyd fan :-) |
Well, I would think that us Floyd fans are a plague, at least within the Floyd circles.
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Posted: January 18 2013 at 18:55 |
Well, Gilmour knew Syd Barret before all of the Pink Floyd thing, and suposedly it was Gilmour who taught Barrett to play the guitar. I'm not sure if that was the connection for which he was chosen to step in his place.
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 08:41 |
Dellinger wrote:
Well, Gilmour knew Syd Barret before all of the Pink Floyd thing, and suposedly it was Gilmour who taught Barrett to play the guitar. I'm not sure if that was the connection for which he was chosen to step in his place. |
Here's an interesting little obscure fact about Syd and Gilmour: "Long before his decline, Syd had struggled with the role of the traditional guitar hero. ...Those close to Barrett at the time believe he was well aware of his shortcomings. Syd had expressed some insecurity about his playing in a letter to his old girlfriend Libby Gausden...mentioning a desire to recruit David Gilmour...but bemoaning the fact that Gilmour had his own band." The quotation is taken from the book Pigs Might Fly by Mark Blake.
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 14:07 |
Richard Sinclair with Jannick Top as a close second.
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 14:23 |
silverpot wrote:
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Well, Gilmour knew Syd Barret before all of the Pink Floyd thing, and suposedly it was Gilmour who taught Barrett to play the guitar. I'm not sure if that was the connection for which he was chosen to step in his place. | Here's an interesting little obscure fact about Syd and Gilmour:"Long before his decline, Syd had struggled with the role of the traditional guitar hero. ...Those close to Barrett at the time believe he was well aware of his shortcomings. Syd had expressed some insecurity about his playing in a letter to his old girlfriend Libby Gausden...mentioning a desire to recruit David Gilmour...but bemoaning the fact that Gilmour had his own band."The quotation is taken from the book Pigs Might Fly by Mark Blake. |
Indeed, Syd's story is a sad story. There's also the song "Jugband Blues", which would seem to indicate that Syd was very much aware of his situation. Some chilling lyrics.
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 18:05 |
^Poor fellow suffered with Schizophrenia, which is not an easy thing to deal with.
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Posted: January 19 2013 at 18:15 |
Jannick flippin Top - The guy is an absolute monster. I mean, check out that bass in De Futura - filleted and saturated.  Probabaly the only guy on this list that's really in league of his own. Rutherford was pretty good too, so was Bert.
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Posted: January 20 2013 at 00:48 |
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...and where the heck is Ray Shulman on this list..? The Gentle Giant bassist was arguably a more inventive player than any of the above..! |
Please read properly my introducing post. He belongs to the Top Bass Group. < id="foxcub_translator_popup_win" style="visibility: ; width: 0px; height: 0px; border: 0px; padding: 0px;"> |
Indeed !! Ray S is an incredible bass player.
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Posted: January 20 2013 at 00:51 |
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Posted: January 20 2013 at 01:02 |
Continuing on the Floyd topic, I believe that Rog never played a fretless bass, so 'A Pillow Of Winds' must have Gilmour on bass. Mason's drumming style is crucial to Floyd music. In fact, limited talent doth not hamper creativity - Mason contributed more than just drums to Floyd, just like their interest in architecture, the music of Floyd is built from simple foundations and reached for the sky. Gilmour is no Holdsworth, who cares, his long, sustained notes and attack are just heavenly. Wright was an excellent keyboardist, 'nuff said. I love Floyd, and owe it all to Floyd.......
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Posted: January 21 2013 at 11:04 |
I will go with Jefrrey Hammond Hammond Hammond Hammond
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Posted: January 21 2013 at 14:46 |
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Klaus peter matziol from ELOY !!! |
ABSOLUTELY!!  
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 20:51 |
HOLGER CZUKAY FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!!!!
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Posted: January 24 2013 at 13:00 |
Many great bass players here, but as a bass player myself, I'd have to say the one who's playing grabs me the most among these is Doug Ferguson, especially on three of the 4 Camel albums he's played on, namely Mirage and the classics The Snow Goose and Moonmadness. Amazing basslines in there. Sinclair also had great moments with Camel, especially on Rain Dances and A Live Record, don't know much about what he previously did with Caravan though.
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Posted: January 24 2013 at 15:49 |
Melomaniac wrote:
Many great bass players here, but as a bass player myself, I'd have to say the one who's playing grabs me the most among these is Doug Ferguson, especially on three of the 4 Camel albums he's played on, namely Mirage and the classics The Snow Goose and Moonmadness. Amazing basslines in there. Sinclair also had great moments with Camel, especially on Rain Dances and A Live Record, don't know much about what he previously did with Caravan though. |
Sinclair with Caravan was fantastic. That's why I don't like his work with Camel that was of a lower level, IMO. I suggest checking also Hatfield and the North and the stupendous "Before A Word Is Said" with Gowen, Tomkins and Miller, a very moving album (check the story).
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Posted: January 24 2013 at 16:45 |
Where's Geddy Lee and Mike Rutherford?
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Posted: January 25 2013 at 01:59 |
^^^^Read the original post you'll see that Gandalff mentions Geddy Lee and Rutherford is on the list I think
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Posted: January 25 2013 at 05:02 |
Richard Sinclair is an underrated virtuoso !!! For me, I say his 'finest hour' comes in the form of Hatfield & The North's 'Rotter's Club'. Great tone and technique, complex lines and just plain amazing all 'round. For a carpenter (by trade), he is an astonishing bassist.
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The Mystical
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Posted: February 16 2013 at 15:58 |
I have always appreciated Doug Ferguson's bass playing, and I consider it to be a great merit to Camel's overall sound.
I love Roger Water's bass playing too.
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Posted: April 30 2013 at 02:20 |
That's a cracker-jacker ... I'm gonna have to think about it.
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