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Posted: January 31 2011 at 11:32
Depeche Mode is still great, but they don't chart as well as in the past. I was talking chart-wise. All these bands I mentioned were on the top 100 of Billboard in their days, while the top 100 today is filled up with garbage. Alternative artists are a completely different game, for example, Trevor Tanner, which makes marvelous pop music.
Now if people are going to start taking garbage as Lady Gaga, Kanye West and Kesha seriously, I'm sorry for them. These "artists" have all limited shelf life and nobody will even remember their names 10 years from now. I know, I've been watching the same movie all over again for the past 30 years.
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Posted: January 31 2011 at 11:56
overmatik wrote:
These "artists" have all limited shelf life and nobody will even remember their names 10 years from now. I know, I've been watching the same movie all over again for the past 30 years.
This is nonsense, especially for Kanye West. We get it, you apparently can't see the value in sampling. But you're culture-blind if you think Kanye's going out of public consciousness soon or that by extension all pop music has a limited shelf life.
He is incredibly well-received critically and very well-known publicly.
Meanwhile, ask ten people of varying ages to say who Genesis, Yes, or ELP are. Not even 10% of older folks would know because most of that stuff has been forgotten by everyone but people on this site.
Everything has a limited shelf life, and you're delusional if you think anything you like is diffrent from pop music in this respect.
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Posted: January 31 2011 at 12:15
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I guarantee I'm listening to more Katy Perry 30 years from now than I am Depeche Mode
Wow, that is really sad. By the way, do you still listen to New Kids on the Block, MC Hammer, Puffy Daddy, Britney Spears and Billy Ocean a lot?
And responding to the fact that only 10% of the people would know who Yes or Genesis are, I think the number would be smaller, like 5% or so. But then again, what percentage of the earth's population knows anything other than the last winner of American Idol?
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Posted: January 31 2011 at 12:22
overmatik wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I guarantee I'm listening to more Katy Perry 30 years from now than I am Depeche Mode
Wow, that is really sad. By the way, do you still listen to New Kids on the Block, MC Hammer, Puffy Daddy, Britney Spears and Billy Ocean a lot?
And responding to the fact that only 10% of the people would know who Yes or Genesis are, I think the number would be smaller, like 5% or so. But then again, what percentage of the earth's population knows anything other than the last winner of American Idol?
What a sad pre-determined view of things you have... You that think have such an "advanced" taste have the most slave taste of them all... You like what the world, YOUR world, tells you to like.
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Posted: January 31 2011 at 12:24
stonebeard wrote:
overmatik wrote:
But then again, what percentage of the earth's population knows anything other than the last winner of American Idol?
My guess is somewhere around exactly 100%.
If someone knows the winner of american idol, they must know who the NOT-winner was. There, 100% proof that 100% people who know the winner of AI know about something else...
And at least they must have seen (and thus heard) the commercials...
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Posted: January 31 2011 at 12:31
Perhaps we live in very different worlds. It's funny because last time I checked the world was a big garbage can and western civilization was nothing but a endless rehash. That is why art is so important now more than ever before.
Wow, I can't believe I'm having this kind of conversation on this website...
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Posted: January 31 2011 at 12:34
overmatik wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I guarantee I'm listening to more Katy Perry 30 years from now than I am Depeche Mode
Wow, that is really sad. By the way, do you still listen to New Kids on the Block, MC Hammer, Puffy Daddy, Britney Spears and Billy Ocean a lot?
And responding to the fact that only 10% of the people would know who Yes or Genesis are, I think the number would be smaller, like 5% or so. But then again, what percentage of the earth's population knows anything other than the last winner of American Idol?
I find your incredibly narrow perception of music to be sad. I find your attempt to attach objective values to a purely subjective experience to be incredibly misguided and absolutely pathetic, probably reflecting some inner insecurities you have which necessitates your belief in a world of objective measures
T00L rocks duuuude
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: January 31 2011 at 12:37
overmatik wrote:
Perhaps we live in very different worlds. It's funny because last time I checked the world was a big garbage can and western civilization was nothing but a endless rehash. That is why art is so important now more than ever before.
Wow, I can't believe I'm having this kind of conversation on this website...
That's pretty misanthropic bro.
You know, most pop music is based on very appealing chord progressions to most people. Even if you think Kedollarsignha's lyrics and voice are dumb (yeah they kinda are), the music should at least be catchy and memorable if the producers are doing it right. Though synths might not be everyone's thing.
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Posted: January 31 2011 at 12:37
overmatik wrote:
Perhaps we live in very different worlds. It's funny because last time I checked the world was a big garbage can and western civilization was nothing but a endless rehash. That is why art is so important now more than ever before.
Wow, I can't believe I'm having this kind of conversation on this website...
So why do you embrace western civilization so strongly? If you think it's such a pile of trash... And the "Art importance" part couldn't be more irrelevant.
i can't believe we're actually having a conversation with you when all you do is say "X is trash because I say so". Actually, if you said it like this, at least it would sound like honest subjective view of things...
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Posted: January 31 2011 at 12:58
Wow, I never said that Kanye West is garbage because I said so. The subjectiveness of musical taste was implied,it isn't? Everything everyone says all the time is subjective, even the opinions of the 80 critics who gave Lady Gaga's last album 5 stars. The value of lyrics like: "Let's have a toast for the douchebags, Let's have a toast for the a****les, Let's have a toast for the scumbags" is up for each one to analyze.
By the way, I despise western civilization from the post-war age afterwards. How would I reject western civilization when those three first guys in your signature laid some of its foundations. The ultimate sadness of the current state of affairs is exactly the fact that what those 3 guys made doesn't mean anything for 95% of the world's population anymore.
And, yes, I was born in the wrong age. I really belong to the 18th century.
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Posted: January 31 2011 at 13:13
overmatik wrote:
The value of lyrics like: "Let's have a toast for the douchebags, Let's have a toast for the a****les, Let's have a toast for the scumbags" is up for each one to analyze.
Oh, because this:
Past Present Movers Moments We'll Process The Future, But Only To Touch Him We Know, Send Flowered Rainbows That Chased Flowers Of Dark And Lights Of Songs To You, Show All We Feel For And Know Of, Cast Round, Youth Is The Truth Accepting That Reasons Will Relive And Breathe Hope And Chase And Love For You And You And You
So much better just because is pretentious gibberish?
Free your mind. I put those guys in my signature because without their music my life would be empty. But that doesn't mean I'll go and cut open my veins every day because today 99% of young people don't know who they are. And who knows, maybe the random guy listening to Kanye West is enjoying it as much as I do when I listen to the Mass in B minor...
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Posted: January 31 2011 at 13:30
Neither will I. On the other hand I won't follow the hype just because that is what 90% of the people is doing. I will try to enjoy as much as I can the things that feel true and beautiful to my eyes. As long as you are true to yourself I'm Ok with it. Now, will I feel sorry for people who can't appreciate what I think is beautiful, yes I do, but I'm not losing any sleep over it either.
"Wear the grudge like a crown of negativity. Calculate what we will or will not tolerate. Desperate to control all and everything. Unable to forgive your scarlet letterman."
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