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Visitor13 
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 Posted: December 02 2006 at 07:12 |
 smithers wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
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Sasquamo wrote:
Please base this purely on technical skill. |
Just making sure it sinks in. |
Sigh... |
ok I choose chris squire then. |
Scott Henderson, Steve Smith, Bela Fleck, Greg Howe, Dennis Chambers and many others would most likely disagree. And Wooten has been doing steady gigs since the age of ten at least (he's 42 now).
Edited by Visitor13 - December 02 2006 at 07:34
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Sasquamo
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Posted: December 02 2006 at 10:48 |
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Geez, whether people here like his music is totally irrelevant. Heck, I don't really like his music much at all. Of course that doesn't keep me from admitting he's amazing. Like I said previously, this poll was made to expose people's bias towards their favorite artists. |
I am not amazed at those 4 clips. You telling me this guy is better than many great jazz and prog bass players who played through the 70s? These are guys with 30-40 years experience and people are saying this Wooten guy is better than all of them? I don't think so. He may be in the top 100 most talented bass players, who knows |
Where did I say he was the best bassist ever? There are probably bassists out there better them him, but in this poll I said he's better than Chris Squire, and I am right. And why do you talk about writing bass lines. THAT'S TOTALLY BEYOND THE POINT. When I say "technical" skill, I mean playing skill, not composing skill. That's pretty clear. Your stubbornness to admit that there are actually more talented players than one of your prog heroes is exactly the kind of stuff I was trying to root out with this poll.
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mrgd
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Posted: December 04 2006 at 20:30 |
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Is this some kind of joke?
Squire is to Wooten as a Vauxhall is to a Ferrari. Comparisin is futile!
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Looking still the same after all these years...
mrgd
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yarstruly
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Posted: December 06 2006 at 14:36 |
Sasquamo wrote:
smithers wrote:
Sasquamo wrote:
Geez, whether people here like his music is totally irrelevant. Heck, I don't really like his music much at all. Of course that doesn't keep me from admitting he's amazing. Like I said previously, this poll was made to expose people's bias towards their favorite artists. |
I am not amazed at those 4 clips. You telling me this guy is better than many great jazz and prog bass players who played through the 70s? These are guys with 30-40 years experience and people are saying this Wooten guy is better than all of them? I don't think so. He may be in the top 100 most talented bass players, who knows |
Where did I say he was the best bassist ever? There are probably bassists out there better them him, but in this poll I said he's better than Chris Squire, and I am right. And why do you talk about writing bass lines. THAT'S TOTALLY BEYOND THE POINT. When I say "technical" skill, I mean playing skill, not composing skill. That's pretty clear. Your stubbornness to admit that there are actually more talented players than one of your prog heroes is exactly the kind of stuff I was trying to root out with this poll.
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Does skill nescessarily equate to talent?
Let's say that there is a typist who can type 150-170 WPM (world record speed), but could not author a book, yet there is great author who hunts & pecks for 40-60 WPM...the 150 WPM typist may have more skill, but the 40 WPM author might have more talent.....
Who's work would you rather READ?
I will grant that Wooten may be more SKILLED (to answer the original question), but that doesn't nescessarily mean he has more TALENT....
Wooten may be highly skilled, but I'll keep listening to Squire's talent.....
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Philéas
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Posted: December 06 2006 at 14:54 |
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Anyone who can't admit that Wooten is more technically skilled than Squire knows nothing about bassplaying. Period.
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Melomaniac
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Posted: December 06 2006 at 15:07 |
Funny this should be here, I saw Victor Wooten in concert this past monday (in Montreal), and technically, that guy has to be the most skilled bass player alive, no one even comes close to doing what he does. Those who voted Chris Squire have absolutely no idea what bass playing is about and/or have never even heard or seen Victor Wooten. I mean, come on ! There is not even a contest here !
Victor Wooten is the best living bass player, and that's it. Wether you like the style of music he plays or not is another matter.
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yarstruly
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Posted: December 06 2006 at 15:48 |
Philéas wrote:
Anyone who can't admit that Wooten is more technically skilled than Squire knows nothing about bassplaying. Period. |
I do admit that Wooten is more skilled...I think Squire is more talented....there IS a difference.....
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Chus
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Posted: December 06 2006 at 20:49 |
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no there isn't... skill needs talent to ignite and develop... thus wooten is as talented or more talented than squire, again, in bass playing (regardless of whether you like wooten's style or not). Squire might be a genius as composer and has a very good improvisation ear, but there's no comparison technically.
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mrgd
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Posted: December 06 2006 at 21:23 |
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TO PHILEAS AND MELOMANIAC:
With you both 100%. As I said in my motor car analogy - comparisin is futile
I've also had the pleasure of seeing VW live.[I'm still trying to pick my jaw up from the floor]. Another good illustration of the spectrum of his playing is on Bela Fleck's 'Live at the Quick' DVD. It's available for everyone to see if they have the inclination.
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Looking still the same after all these years...
mrgd
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raindance
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 10:39 |
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I play bass and Squire is perfection personified! Don't be fooled by slapping ect, it's easy to do,
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Tommy
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 10:41 |
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Tales
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 10:46 |
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Philéas
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 13:15 |
raindance wrote:
I play bass and Squire is perfection personified! Don't be fooled by slapping ect, it's easy to do, |
Tapping might be easy, but Wooten does so much more. Have you tried to play any of Wooten's compositions? They're a lot more difficult than Squire's.
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billbuckner
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 13:37 |
The results of this poll are making me lose faith in humanity. Wooten by a country mile.
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Progger
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 13:54 |
The 'Amazing' bassman Mr Chris Squire
Wootton is all flash with no substance and no control. Give Squire a free reign and he would beat Wootton hands down!
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billbuckner
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 14:05 |
Progger wrote:
The 'Amazing' bassman Mr Chris Squire
Wootton is all flash with no substance and no control. Give Squire a free reign and he would beat Wootton hands down! |
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Camel_APPeal
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 14:31 |
Progger wrote:
The 'Amazing' bassman Mr Chris Squire
Wootton is all flash with no substance and no control. Give Squire a free reign and he would beat Wootton hands down! |
He might beat Wootton anytime (whoever he is), but I don't think he'd beat Wooten  
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"After all, it's music what we're talking about here, so there's no best or worst; just what you like and what you don't"
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Peter
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 15:03 |
I suspect that this poll has largely degenerated into mere pigheadedness, and childish attempts to wind up Wooten's most vocal advocates.
Surely it has served its purpose?
I conclude that a small majority will vote logically on such matters. No matter what CDs are in their collections, they will answer honestly based upon the evidence.
A significant minority, however, will NOT use logic, or truly consider the evidence, but will vote based upon pre-conceived notions, and what they like better (and what they like must be the "best").
We see this all of the time here, in frequent, clearly subjective observations, nonetheless presented as "fact," like "X is the best," "Y is the worst," "Z is better," etc.
 It perhaps boils down to maturity vs immaturity, and who'd be fit -- or not -- to serve on a jury, or engage in a true debate where one's initial position could well change in the face of the other's more convincing arguments.
There's lots of the fanboy mentality here (take a look at many of the reviews, and many of the "it's black or it's white -- and it's clearly black" polls people post) but we already knew that, didn't we? 
Such are humans, silly, fallible creatures that we are....
I'm sure plenty of people here drive huge gas-guzzling monstrosities, too, despite all of the evidence that this is (unnecessarily) bad for our planet, and even their wallets.
In the face of all of the reputable, damning evidence, they CHOOSE not to believe, because belief would morally necessitate change, and perhaps some minor sacrifice in pride, or ease of thinking in the same comfortable, self-deluding and selfish way.
There are none so blind, as they that will not see.....
This is a large part of the human condition -- look at the sorry state of our planet, and international (& even interpersonal) relations.
 How's THAT for reading a lot into a harmless little poll?
Edited by Peter Rideout - December 07 2006 at 15:07
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 15:06 |
Peter for your colorful and jolly responses sometimes you do provide moments of real insight. I'm so proud of you pops. Haha
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Peter
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Posted: December 07 2006 at 15:11 |
OpethGuitarist wrote:
Peter for your colorful and jolly responses sometimes you do provide moments of real insight. I'm so proud of you pops. Haha
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Thanks, Oh Gee! It's not ALL fun & games at Chez Rideout.
Mostly -- but not all! 
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Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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