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Blacksword 
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 Posted: February 22 2006 at 14:44 |
 Sean Trane wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Well my preference may be towards the old school, but I'll give anything a go. A friend of mine likes some Porcupine Tree, and has played me some. Cant remember which album but it was fairly recent and quite heavy (?) I didn't dislike it, but it didn't really grab either.
My attititude to modern prog is, I admit, quite cynical. This attitiude is based on what I've heard by Dream Theater, Spocks Beard, Glass Hammer, Echolyn & The Flower Kings. With all these bands we have excellent musicians arguably wasting their time, paying tribute to their heroes. I dont think they make bad music per se, but if I want to listen to symphonic prog I'll listen to the original bands. The original and the best. I dont get as excited by a band that sounds like Yes, as I do about Yes themeselves... 
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Exactly what I think too. I never heard "new" prog I really like, and I listened to many bands ! I dont know, I dont like their sound...I try not to be snob in front of new prog bands, but I cant ! I disllike about all of them. Some exception, maybe for Anglagard and some song of other bands, but that's it....so I can understand what the original poster meant.
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Exactly the way I feel also! SB, DT, TFK and PT are good musos and write correct music, but they are not pushing musical boundaries much. They just do not move me enough to actually want to keep the albums in my shelves or much less in the deck for a spin
For modern groundbreaking , you must head into newer RIO genre like Miriodor, Alammailman Vasarat, X-legged Sally etc... But I am afraid most of everything has been done
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However, To say I am not a fan of PT, I have heard at least once over 90% of their albums and I listened extensively four of them.
To say you do not like PT after one listen of Deadwing (which is all I did with that album) and dismissing the group's oeuvre however is not really open-mined
To me if you really want to investigate Porc Tree, you must try Lightbulb Sun, Signify and Floyd-inspired Sky Moved Sideways
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Dont get me wrong, I dont dislike the bands I mentioned. Indeed, when I first discovered Spocks Beard and Glass Hammer I listened to them a lot. I liked the songs. But the novelty of discovering a new symphonic prog band wears off fairly quick for me as I inevitably compare them to the 'masters' and soon realise that the old ones are indeed the best. They were innovating, the new bands are copying. At the end of the day I would happily pay money to see any of these new bands, and I'm sure I'd love the show, but I'd pay a lot more to go back in time and see the 'masters' at work
Out of interest Sean, what do you think of TMV?
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 14:50 |
arcer wrote:
Why all the grief directed towards Gentletull? So he doesn't like the Porkies? So what? Instead of sl*gging him/her off why not suggest something new that might float his prog boat.
If he likes Tull and Gentle Giant then maybe checking out Wobbler or something cleverly retro like that wouldn't be bad idea. No point telling him he's wrong, that's just thick.
I can't stand a lot of bands but I can understand why others do (except in the case of Dream Theater, who require a lobotomy to be enjoyed  )
just joking - well not really
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There's a difference between not liking a band and calling them crap.
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arcer
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:00 |
Not really - try this: I don't like Spock's Beard, I think they're crap. There you go, same thing
There sensitivity and then there's silly political correctness. He
should be able to call it crap if he wants. If people get upset enough
to insult him personally for doing so then they, not him, need to do a
bit of growing up...
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Manunkind
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:03 |
For the record - there's a user called Gentle Tull and a different user called gentletull here. Both post quite regularly. The topic starter is gentletull. Please don't confuse the two.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:09 |
Hell.. when I look at some post here i really feel like leaving the archives for a few days... egocentric moronic snobs!
Good Night, Progarchives
The Velvet Room is a good place... at least no one fights their stupid little wars there, no baiting, no primitive arguments, no negative stupidity and disrispect...
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thefalafelking
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:32 |
IcedSabbath wrote:
Rashikal wrote:
porcupine tree is prog i guess by fusing nu-metal and piano pop???
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That rules!
It's sad but true, man! All these modern prog/prog metal bands think it's a good idea to put crappy chug-along riffs into their music to make it sound "metal." They need to realize...it's fake metal!
That being said, I don't like Porcupine Tree's last 2 albums. Too nu-metallic for my tastes. 
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anyone who labels PT a band that fuses nu-metal and piano pop should have a serious lesson in the history of rock music. It's a quite arrogant thing to say. It degrades the sheer genius of S.Wilson. You should compare a song like Blackest Eyes with a Linkin Park song and you'll see that you do not know what you're talking about.
PT changes and evolves with every new album, unlike modern tribute bands like Spock's Beard and The Flower Kings. Waste of talent, ' cause these are talented musicians. Call me a snob or whatever you like, but PT is a band that is genius and like every single genius, it is, unfortunately quite often not/misunderstood. this stupid thread is a fine example of what I'm talking about.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:47 |
^ you deserve credit for defending PT ... but why do you have to dis TFK and SB at the same time?
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sleeper
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:48 |
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
Hell.. when I look at some post here i really feel like leaving the archives for a few days... egocentric moronic snobs!
Good Night, Progarchives
The Velvet Room is a good place... at least no one fights their stupid little wars there, no baiting, no primitive arguments, no negative stupidity and disrispect...
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What Velvet Room have you been to
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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horza
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:54 |
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Hierophant
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 16:14 |
this thread - crap
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 16:34 |
sleeper wrote:
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
Hell.. when I look at some post here i really feel like leaving the archives for a few days... egocentric moronic snobs!
Good Night, Progarchives
The Velvet Room is a good place... at least no one fights their stupid little wars there, no baiting, no primitive arguments, no negative stupidity and disrispect...
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What Velvet Room have you been to
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the arguments aren't primite... and the stupidity isn't negative there
and the baiting is just for fun...
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 16:43 |
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yet another negative thread about how much a certain band sucks
If you don't like PT, that's fine, but don't go bragging about it as if it's something of which you should be proud.
PT aren't one of my favorites, either, but I definitely respect them and don't think they're crap!
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Zenith
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 16:58 |
I'm a big Jethro Tull fan (for more than 30 years) and have allways enjoyed their music, especially from the period 70 to 79 and when I first heard the PT I thought: wow; this is also something worth listening to. And it took some time before I got into their type of prog but it has certainly grown and I think they are one of the finest "newer" prog bands today.
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We're only in it for the music!!!
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Rashikal
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 17:10 |
thefalafelking wrote:
IcedSabbath wrote:
Rashikal wrote:
porcupine tree is prog i guess by fusing nu-metal and piano pop???
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That rules!
It's sad but true, man! All these modern prog/prog metal bands think
it's a good idea to put crappy chug-along riffs into their music to
make it sound "metal." They need to realize...it's fake metal!
That being said, I don't like Porcupine Tree's last 2 albums. Too nu-metallic for my tastes.
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anyone who labels PT a band that fuses nu-metal and piano pop should
have a serious lesson in the history of rock music. It's a quite
arrogant thing to say. It degrades the sheer genius of S.Wilson. You
should compare a song like Blackest Eyes with a Linkin Park song and
you'll see that you do not know what you're talking about.
PT changes and evolves with every new album, unlike modern tribute
bands like Spock's Beard and The Flower Kings. Waste of talent, ' cause
these are talented musicians. Call me a snob or whatever you like, but
PT is a band that is genius and like every single genius, it is,
unfortunately quite often not/misunderstood. this stupid thread is a
fine example of what I'm talking about. |
On their earlier albums I hear spacey Pink Floyd-esque music. On their
recent albums I hear nu-metal chug-riffs and piano pop. That's a fine
example of what I'm talking about.
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listen to Hella
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mr.prog
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 17:25 |
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I'm sorry, like others have mentioned. You shouldn't judge it from one album. They have a lot of masterpieces and they all deserve good comments. Listen to it some more. Even if you don't enjoy it at first, it will grow on you. I started with In Absentia, and i fell in love, then went to Dead Wing. Then started at the beginning. Porcupine Tree is a phenomenal band and you should try to understand it some more. Steve Wilson is a musical genius
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lost track of time!
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thefalafelking
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 18:07 |
Rashikal wrote:
thefalafelking wrote:
IcedSabbath wrote:
Rashikal wrote:
porcupine tree is prog i guess by fusing nu-metal and piano pop???
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That rules!
It's sad but true, man! All these modern prog/prog metal bands think it's a good idea to put crappy chug-along riffs into their music to make it sound "metal." They need to realize...it's fake metal!
That being said, I don't like Porcupine Tree's last 2 albums. Too nu-metallic for my tastes.
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anyone who labels PT a band that fuses nu-metal and piano pop should have a serious lesson in the history of rock music. It's a quite arrogant thing to say. It degrades the sheer genius of S.Wilson. You should compare a song like Blackest Eyes with a Linkin Park song and you'll see that you do not know what you're talking about.
PT changes and evolves with every new album, unlike modern tribute bands like Spock's Beard and The Flower Kings. Waste of talent, ' cause these are talented musicians. Call me a snob or whatever you like, but PT is a band that is genius and like every single genius, it is, unfortunately quite often not/misunderstood. this stupid thread is a fine example of what I'm talking about.
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On their earlier albums I hear spacey Pink Floyd-esque music. On their recent albums I hear nu-metal chug-riffs and piano pop. That's a fine example of what I'm talking about.
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You're not making any advance do you? You already said this. Isn't it normal that you have to find your own way on early albums? Besides, songs like 'the swallows dance above the sun, synesthaesia, nine cats, jupiter island,...' sound nothing like Pink Floyd. It's not because the press say it sounds like it, you should say it too.
Concerning the metal influence, that one came from Opeth, is that a nu-metal band?? No, it isn't! Songs like Strip The Soul and Arriving Somewhere but Not Here are modern day masterpieces, perhaps not progressive in the old-fashioned sense of this website, but surely great and fantastic!
If you don't like 'em, that's fine with me, but don't come running with those silly statements. They lead to nowhere.
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laztraz
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 18:07 |
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Of all the new bands I've discovered on this site Porcupine Tree is definitely the best.
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thefalafelking
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 18:11 |
Don't get me wrong, but when it comes to defending my favourite music, I can react quite passionate
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Nipsey88
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 19:01 |
gentletull wrote:
yet another disappointing modern band I heard for the
first time ;). They can go in the rubbish bin with Tool and Spocks
beard. I have a feeling that Mars volta will be more of the same lol
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Sorry, I just saw this thread so I'm gettin' here late, I know...
I will respond to your moronic post with a moronic response...
Good job Gentletull, I was worried that your knuckles scraping the
ground when you walk would injure your hands enough so you couldn't
type but...
Now for my real response:
If you don't have anything to add to a discussion forum other than the
insightful revelation that so and so sucks, don't bother the rest of us
with it. I thought that prog rock fans were an intellectual cut above,
and they usually are, but posts like this just make me shake my head. I
usually ignore them, but your post managed to offend me in some special
way. Maybe because it slams 4 of my favorite newer prog bands without
offering any meaningful bases for discussion other than, to paraphrase,
"They Suck" Now, I also know that posts like these are designed just to
piss people off, make the author feel important for a bit as he becomes
the center of attention, and I should just rise above, but..what can I
say, mission accomplished. To sum up: say something constructive or
shut up. Turd.
Whew, I feel better, sorry for the rant.
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timothy leary
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 19:19 |
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does this mean i should throw out my copy of coma divine live wait i
like that album thinking this thread should have started as a review at
any rate hopefully i will be the last poster and we can get on with the
next hateful ting oh wait isn`t music suppose to move us differently oh
by the way i think green day sucks don`t they huh well duh
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