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A'swepe 
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 Posted: December 28 2005 at 09:43 |
As much as I love YES, I've gotta go with Nursery Cryme this time.
Fragile is a very good album but I agree that (generally) the 5 individual songs are less than stellar. The rest of the album is as good as it gets, 24/7 airplay for 33 years notwithstanding (Roundabout).
Nursery Cryme may suffer from a production deficit, but the songs are ALL excellent.
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chamberry
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 10:07 |
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Gotta go with Nursery Cryme. It's just way more good than Fragile and it doesn't have any filler
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oliverstoned
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 12:08 |
 Winter Wine wrote:
Fragile by miles, stronger songs, better atmosphere, just SOUNDS better. Nursery cryme's shabby production and weak tracks bring it down too much. Fragile is the clear winner |
I agree!
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Octamarium
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 13:30 |
I surely prefer Nursery Cryme!
Fragile has three great songs (Roundabout, South side of the sky, Heart of the sunrise).....the rest is only rubbish prog experience
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The Miracle
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 13:58 |
Nursery Cryme. It just appeals to me more.
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Jared
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 15:24 |
My gosh, you've pitched Musical Box (fave early Genesis track) up against Heart Of The Sunrise (fave early Yes track!!).....
...Fragile wins by a VERY short head...
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AtlantaCatFan
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:09 |
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Fragile. It is a top 2 Yes album for me and much superior, in my personal view, to Nursery Cryme (which I'd rate as a second tier Genesis album).
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Progger
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:11 |
Judging by this thread alone, people's oppinions is almost over whelmingly in favour of Fragile being the better of the two.So why is Nursery Cryme higher in the prog chart? Tactical reviewing by Genesis fanatics??????
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Zac M
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:12 |
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Once again, if you care so much, why don't YOU write a review for Fragile...there is no Genesis conspiracy!!!
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Progger
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:15 |
meurglysIII wrote:
Once again, if you care so much, why don't YOU write a review for Fragile...there is no Genesis conspiracy!!! |
How else can you explain four Genesis albums in the top 10. Nuff' said.
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Zac M
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:17 |
Progger wrote:
meurglysIII wrote:
Once again, if you care so much,
why don't YOU write a review for Fragile...there is no Genesis
conspiracy!!! |
How else can you explain four Genesis albums in the top 10. Nuff' said. |
More people like and review Genesis albums...I don't know. I just don't
understand or care that much. I don't even know what Genesis albums are
in the top twenty!
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Winter Wine
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:30 |
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^ Fragile is higher in the chart!
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Zac M
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:53 |
Winter Wine wrote:
^ Fragile is higher in the chart! |
Yes, you're right, I just looked at the chart to check it out. I would
never write a review for Fragile because it has been rated too many
times already because it is a very popular Prog album and Yes is a very
popular artist. If people disagree, they should write their own reviews
and get their opinion about albums out to the PA community. If I think
an album needs more exposure, that is what I do, I write a review. If I
remember correctly, I have only written two reviews concerning popular,
famous Prog releases (Islands and Duke). I guess I just don't care
enough about the top twenty...I have heard all the albums minus the
Riverside release, which seems to get very, very good ratings from what
I see, although I still have no intention of hearing it, it's just not
my thing!!! I don't make my purchases or listens based on this
list, but I know a lot of Newbies do, and the list here at PA, for the
most part, seems very appropriate for newbies to start exploring Prog.
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FragileDT
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 18:13 |
Progger wrote:
Judging by this thread alone, people's oppinions is
almost over whelmingly in favour of Fragile being the better of the two.So
why is Nursery Cryme higher in the prog chart? Tactical reviewing by Genesis
fanatics?????? |
ENOUGH. It comes up in every thread. You're right, we're all a bunch of
Genesis fans corrupting a prog site for absolutely no reason.
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Zac M
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 18:16 |
FragileDT wrote:
Progger wrote:
Judging by this thread alone, people's oppinions is
almost over whelmingly in favour of Fragile being the better of the two.So
why is Nursery Cryme higher in the prog chart? Tactical reviewing by Genesis
fanatics?????? |
ENOUGH. It comes up in every thread. You're right, we're all a bunch of
Genesis fans corrupting a prog site for absolutely no reason. |
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Flip_Stone
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 18:52 |
People complain about the production of Nursery Cryme, as though that's all that matters. Personally, I listen to music for the music, not the production. Sure, better production helps, but any seasoned, intelligent music fan will rise above production and focus on the music. If we faulted art based on the technology of the time, then we'd say that Picasso sucked because he wasn't using a computer to create his artwork, or The Beatles are crap because their early work was recorded in mono.
Fragile's production isn't all that much better anyway. There's just a somewhat more aggressive style on that album that makes it rock more than Nursery Cryme. That's a good thing in some ways, but it can't take away the color and contrast and beauty and intricacy that Nursery Cryme has (which is lacking on Fragile).
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herbie53
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 20:14 |
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Losendos
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 20:37 |
Fragile is my favoriteYes album and I rate it above Nursery Cryme
Both are great
I actually like most of the short tracks on Fragile and feel they break up the epics
I like Absent friends for the same reason.
I don't agree with the tribalism I see on this list
There really isn't much to separate Floyd Yes and Genesis but the fact they are so close means we can keep arguing
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micky
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 21:56 |
Progger wrote:
Judging by this thread alone, people's oppinions is
almost over whelmingly in favour of Fragile being the better of the
two.So why is Nursery Cryme higher in the prog chart? Tactical
reviewing by Genesis fanatics?????? |
You don't have to be here long to realize the site is a haven for the prog-metal fan, and the Genesis fan hahahah.
To follow up on a previous post on Fragile v. Nursery Cryme... some historical perspective.
UK
NURSERY CRYME
Date: 11/05/1974 - Run: *39* (1 wk)
Re #01: 31/03/1984 68 (1 wk)
Total # of weeks: 2-1c ( Top 40: 1)
US
Nursery Crime..did not chart or wasn`t released
UK
FRAGILE
Date: 04-12-1971 - Run: *7*-15-28-0-0-31-24-24-16-36-15-26-47-18-26-0-50-0-21-39-0-0 -0-24 (17-10c/1 wks)
Total # of re-entries: 4 US:#4/46/15
US
FRAGILE
Date: 22-01-1972 - Run: 177-51-17-11-
8-*4*-4-4-4-6-6-6-4-4-5-5-4-7-7-12-15-27-36-4 4-55-68-72-85-88-88-95-102-108-108-110-120-134-134-139-152-1 49-153-161-172
(44/15 wks)
Re #01: 14-04-1984 191-188 (2 wks)
Total # of weeks: 46-44c (Top 10: 15, Top 20: 19 Top 40: 21) UK:#7/17/1
Artist Title Cert. Date Label Award Desc. Format Category Type
YES FRAGILE 03/10/72 ATLANTIC GOLD ALBUM GROUP Std
...neither album charted in France or Germany...
...cannot find any chart information on Nursery Crime other than
the one week at #39 in 1974 and as you see above it re-entered the
charts at #68 for one week in 1984....other than that...I can`t find it
anywhere else in the world..Japan,Canada,Spain , Australia , Norway
etc...
some info on how these albums were received back 'in the
day'. Nursery Cryme didn't even chart in their home country until
what... 3 years after it was released. Why... who knows,
bad production, a rep as a boring group  ,
or the more likely view, they were a 2nd or 3rd rate prog group at the
time. Doesn't prove much I know, other than while many hear find
Nursery Cryme to be an equal of Fragile, in any kind of objective
'analysis' ... it isn't.
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Harold Dupont
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 22:37 |
Those are two albums I know pretty well, and I think that Fragile is more complete and good than Nursery Crime
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