Nursery Cryme vs Fragile
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Topic: Nursery Cryme vs Fragile
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Nursery Cryme vs Fragile
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 10:01
| Which out of these two albums do you prefer and why? |
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 10:14
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nursery cryme 100%...it is one of my favourite albums,containing one of my favourite piece,from Genesis and prog...
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Posted By: Gentle Tull
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 10:23
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woah tough one. Can't choose. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 10:28
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Gentle Tull wrote:Posted By: SuppersReady
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 10:48
| Definetely Nursery Cryme |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 11:35
Nursery Kryme 
because of Musical Box & Fountain of Salmacis. I dislike Yes,& this isn't a difficult choise for me... 
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 11:39
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Fragile by miles, stronger songs, better atmosphere, just SOUNDS better. Nursery cryme's shabby production and weak tracks bring it down too much. Fragile is the clear winner ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Dalex_61
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 12:05
| I better like "Nursery Cryme", even if "Fragile"'s a more mature album. Don't ask me why: all I can say is that NC's atmosphere simply kills me. |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 12:10
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A no brainer! FRAGILE ***** NURSERY CRYME** |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 12:34
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Fragile. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: AngleofRepose
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 12:52
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Nursery Cryme. As scattered as it is, all the songs are great. Fragile
contains a majority of bad songs which makes it definitively lower. |
Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 12:53
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Extremely easy for me: Nursery Cryme. Fragile is good and respectable, but seems to lack cohesiveness. Nursery Cryme seems to flow better, and there is more intricacy and expressiveness in the guitar playing (with dual 6 and 12-string guitars, as opposed to only one 6-string guitar).
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 12:54
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There's not ONE bad song on fragile! ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: buckethead
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 13:01
| fragile. best yes album ever. |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 13:04
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After close to the edge and relayer! ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 13:07
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A no brainer! FRAGILE ***** |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 13:28
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Nursery Cryme: Fragile: ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
(4.25/5 really)Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 13:52
Cans and Brahms ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:08
hardly a bad song! insignificant to others on the record maybe but hardly bad!! and come on that makes it no less of a masterpiece ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: XTChuck
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:29
Yeah, I think that just about hits the nail on the head.......
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:43
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both amazing Heart of the Sunrise is my favorite Yes song. ------------- 
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:46
Nursery Cryme for me, I can't see what all the fuss is about Fragile.
It's a good album, but to me, no more than three stars, while NC would
probably be four. Heck, I even prefer Drama to Fragile !!!
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:52
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^ Meurglys, Fragile deserves credit if only for spawning the greatest prog-single ever, in Rondabout. -------------
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:54
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That and it's one of the best progressive rock records of all time ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:54
I agree it deserves credit, but to me, it's not that amazing of an
album. A year ago, I probably would have rated it higher, but my tastes
have changed. And yes, Roundabout is a good song...I think you've made
me want to drag out my copy and listen to it again .
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:56
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job well donePosted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:57
HA HA - I was about to post the same thing - I just put on Fragile over here to listen to Roundabout - god listen to that bass line - unmatched -------------
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 15:06
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And the vocals on we have heaven!!!!!!!!! Brilliant!!!!! ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 16:16
| nursery cryme is a bit boring lol, but it has a couple of cool songs. Fragile easily |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 16:19
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I'd vote Nursery Cryme, it has great song to song quality and three amazing songs in The Musical Box, Return of the Giant Hogweed, and Foutain of Salamics. The shorter songs have great quality, that Fragile Just doesn't have. Songs like Roundabout are prog classics, but the overall quality of Yes doesn't reach that of early Genesis. -------------  
"Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls." |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 16:32
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I love Fragile, great collection of songs....
Same goes for Nursery Cryme, but the mixing is quite poor... even the re-mastered version as well....
Charles ------------- G'day |
Posted By: TheLamb
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 17:03
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Impossible to choose The Musical Box - Heart of the Sunrise - I love them equally. The Return of the Giant Hogweed - Roundabout - I love them equally. Fountain of Salmacis - South Side of the Sky - I love them equally. Seven Stones - Long Distance Runaround - I love them equally. Harrold the Barrel - Fish (Schindleria Praematurus) - I love Harrold slightly more. Harlequin - Mood for a Day - I love Mood for a Day slightly more. For Absent Friends - We Have Heaven - I don't love either but they are both equally "OK".
Cans and Brahms and Five Per Cent for Nothing don't really count, do they? So......... ITS A TIE!!!
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 17:13
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Nursery Cryme by a mile. Every track is quality. Fragile is three excellent tracks and seven fillers Nursery Cryme 5* Fragile 3* |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 17:27
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In ireland we'd say to that, "get the boat" ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 18:15
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Another reason for being drawn to Nursery Cryme over Fragile is that I've heard Roundabout played on the radio about a million times over the past twenty years, with Long Distance Runaround seemingly several hundred times. That's not to say that those songs deserve the attention, but in Texas/USA, there are simple-minded fools at the helm of the radio stations who play the same old stuff over and over again (including that dreg of a song Stairway to Hell, I mean Stairway to Heaven) In contrast, Nursery Cryme still sounds fresh...
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 18:21
Or maybe they play them because they're great songs? ever think of that? ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 18:41
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Fragile was the album that set YES on the road to world domination. World class musicianship, three prog classics that have stood the test of time [Roundabout, Heart of the Sunrise and South Side Of The Sky], and the majestic Long Distance Runaround. Even the solo tracks paved the way for each members solo spot for many years to come. Did Genesis ever have the ability to solo and improvise live? I personally don't think so. And let's not forget the great Roger Dean cover and the crisp production. A true prog classic in every sense! After listening to Nursery Cryme over the past twenty years it still fails to move me but leaves me totally cold. There is only one song on it that stays in my head and that's Musical Box, and then only the last section. I really understand Hackett's frustration of being too controlled by Banks on this album as he is barely audible. I recently saw Re-Genesis in concert and they played Giant Hogweed as an encore and I just had to leave as it really did remind me how poor Nursery Cryme was/is. And lastly, Gabriel's voice reminds me of Popeye at times when he really struggles to sustain his notes. The winner is a convincing FRAGILE!
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Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 18:43
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I pick Nursery Cryme over Fragile because I don't like Jon Anderson's voice. But I will give credit where credit is due. Fragile is probably more influential than Nursery Cryme.
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Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 18:49
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FRAGILE Nursery Cryme hasn't aged very well, both the production and quality of songs.**'s for efffort though. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 18:57
hahahahah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 18:59
probably.... how about without a doubt. Ask the 10 or 11 people outside of Europe that heard Nursery Cryme in the early 70's. Fragile was the breakout album, for the definative prog group.------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:01
------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:15
I think that couldn't be further from the truth. I am a big fan of Fragile myself but can't chose it in this one. Nursery Cryme is just composed better overall. The four songs that are short and written by one member each just bring down the album a bit. You can't tell me that Fragile wins by miles because of stronger songs and better atmosphere. Genesis was known for their atmosphere and emotion in their songs. Eh, I guess it could be considered opinion. Well at least you know mine now... ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Lionheart
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:25
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Hmm... it's tough to compare Fragile to Nursery Cryme. I would say that they
are both excellent records. But, i think Nursery Cryme's strength is "atmosphere", and Fragile's strength is "execution" (or production). I think the 2 records are equally good but for different reasons. |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:26
I think the overall QUALITY of fragile is better, the songs heart of the sunrise, roundabout, south side of the sky and even long distance runaround wipe the map with EVERYTHING on nursery cryme! and the short numbers from each member of the band very much DO add to the atmosphere because in between these longer more structured songs you've got snippets of beauty that really bring the album together excellently "we have heaven" leading into "south side of the sky" is a perfect example of this. i would love to know what you mean by nursery cryme is "composed" better. not being sarcastic just curios. I do like nursery cryme, i was glad the day i bought it and still am now, but fragile is the sound of a band getting in their stride, and when yes were in that stage of their career, nothing could match them. ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:35
nice post, though I'd contend Fragile was full of 'atmosphere'. South Side of the Sky.... if that is the sound of freezing to death... I'll pass on dying in my sleep. The Fish.... aquatic adventures galore. Mood for a Day... I picture myself enjoying a nice spring day in a grassy field. Heart of the Sunrise.... hell probably the most atmospheric of all (mainly for the intro of course). We Have Heaven.... picture yourself floating with the angels. Very atmospheric in my book, but that's just me. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:39
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I also think fragile has an excellent atmosphere and you have put it beautifully ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:42
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:48
thanks Winter Wine, nuggets of wisdom are rare out of my mouth, so I savor them. Nursery Cryme is a decent album by an up and coming group. Nothing more nothing less, personally I like the album, it's just IMO nowhere near Fragile on most any level. Other than personal preference. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:55
I fully agree with ya! ------------- My computer's broke |
like them both! but you have to hand it to fragile! Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 21:02
Here is my review of Nursery Cryme: "This album opens up with "The Musical Box." A beautiful album opener (as we know how good Genesis was at opening albums. It starts off with Gabriel singing quietly and very emotionally ("All your hearts now seem so far away...) The song follows the quiet and very emotional feel until the instrumental break at about 4 minutes. The song explodes as Hackett solo's perfectly to embody the emotional buildup. The next part ("The clock, tick tock..") is even quiter than the beginning until Gabriel sings "the wall" powerfully. This instrumental break is long and inspiring. The final buildup begins after this instrumental break. This is one of the most emotionally powerful conclusions (if not, the most) of any song that I've heard. Hearing Gabriel sing with all his power "Why don't you touch me, touch me" and repeating "NOW" gives me chills everytime. The song was based on a young girl Cynthia (9) who "gracefully" removed Henry's (8) head while playing a game of croquet. The story of the song begins with Cynthia discovering Henry's musical box that included the figure "Old King Cole" when she opened it. Cynthia saw the lifetime of desires go by as Henry aged with nothing but a child's mind and vision. Henry was attempting to have Cynthia persue his romantic desire when she threw the musical box at the elderly looking child and destroyed them both. (This story can be found in the inside booklet of the "Nursery Cryme" album.) The album cover is also a depiction of this song and story. You can also find the album cover of Nursery Cryme imbetted in the back of Foxtrot if you look carefully (with a few interesting tweaks.) The follow up to the Musical Box is "For Absent Friends" sung by Phil Collins. This is the one song sung by Collins that I can actually say that I enjoy. It's very short but is emotional and a well written, piano driven song (though many fans tend to dismiss it.) "The Return of the Giant Hogweed" is yet another Genesis masterpiece. It's a rather guitar-bass heavy song and comes in very strongly vocally. This is a great example of how Genesis' use humor in their music. The giant hogweed either depicts a set of corrupt rulers or the media- damaged people from society (could be interpreted in many ways but that's the direction that I tend to lean.) Gabriel's singing really stands out in this song. His quiet singing and heavy vocal during the verses contrast very well and keep the song very interesting. The piano break by Banks a little more than half way through the song also adds a lot to the song. "Seven Stones" is, in my opinion, a very under-recognized (I will not say underrated) Genesis song. The sea in this song (as Gabriel likes to use a lot) represents emotion (the sea and water is an old symbol for emotion, and we know how Gabriel is with symbols.) This song has some of the best melodies that I've heard (my favorite being "Despair that tires the world, bring the old man laughter...") Next we have "Harold the Barrel." Many people consider this song a "joke." This couldn't be farther from the truth. They are using the Genesis humor that is present in a lot of songs, but the song is by no means a joke. It is a very complex and well written song with a brilliant melody. It talks about a man that is contemplating suicide and the news makes a big story of it where they tell Harold "We're all your friends, if you come on down and talk to us son." It really is interesting how Genesis is depicting the media's effect on suicide. This is definitely a standout track that fits well and adds some diversity to the album. My personal opinion is that "Harlequin" is the weakest track on the album, though it is still far from weak. Gabriel and Collins sing this song together in it's entirety and the harmonies are done well. The album concludes with "The Fountain of Salmacis." This song really defines the "Symphonic" part of Symphonic Prog. The buildup is very strong (even from the very beginning) and makes me think that there are more than just 5 guys playing here. The lyrics are brilliant (as always when talking about Gabriel-era Genesis.) This song talks about Hermaphrodite (a flower/person/animal containing both male and female organs) using the Greek mythology where it was originated. It was interesting to learn where the word hermaphrodite came from, since I had no idea until reading this song. The emotion for Hermaphroditus is very strong and displayed well by Genesis vocally and musically." The magic atmosphere that is present while I listen to Genesis' music is unmatched. Their compositional skills are above that of Yes IN MY OPINION (keep in mind.) They wrote the musical parts to reflect the emotions of the lyrics. This is what made Genesis so emotional and gave them that sort of "magic" sound about their music. If you don't hear it, that's fine, but you're just missing out. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 21:08
Sorry DT, but I don't hear a lot of what you described when listening to Nursery Cryme which to me sound just like a bunch of kids learning their trade and I don't mean that disrespectfully! |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 21:14
I'm not saying you have to hear it, it's absolutely fine if you don't. I believe it was Winter Wine that wanted me to give further reasoning to why I said I feel that Nursery Cryme is better than Fragile. I don't think it's far better, I love Yes also and love Fragile (as you can tell by my name, FragileDT.) Fragile is the album that got me into further 70s symphonic prog where I found Genesis and all the others. I just don't want it to seem that I'm giving an unjustified answer. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 21:16
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Nursery Cryme. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: Lionheart
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 21:21
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"I don't hear why anyone can say that the atmosphere of Nursery Cryme is
prominent. The album is so poorly produced it's like listening to an old gramaphone playing!" Well, I wouldn't say that it's "poorly produced". I also think that there is more to "atmosphere" than "production". The Beatles live at the Star Club in Hamburg Germany is a terrible "production", but it oozes with "atmosphere". This is an extreme example, but, I hold to my earlier post that Nursery Cryme has an atmosphere and/or vibe that Fragile simply doesn't have. And that is coming from a huge Yes fan. Yes' musicianship is unbeatable at a lot of points in thier career, and it certainly comes across in Fragile (and even in a way that it didn't with the albums prior to Fragile). It was the addition of Rick Wakeman that sparked that off. Yes was definitely exited about making Fragile, and it comes across in the record. If you want a Yes album to compare to the atmosphere of Nursery Cryme, you should consider Tales from Topographic Oceans. I think that is the only time Yes got close to the vibe of Nursery Cryme (or Foxtrot, for that matter). Just my 2 cents. Again. |
Posted By: walrus333
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 22:04
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Fragile for me. It is more mature and all the songs are well put together, not really a poor track on the album.Nursery crime on the otehr hand youve got Harold the Barrol, Musical Box, Giant Hogweed and Fountain of whatever it is which are all amazing. The other few tracks I think are very mediocre ------------- If anyone knows where I can get a copy of some Flute and Voice (Indo-Prog/Raga Rock) albums please PM me! Many thanks! |
Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 22:18
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Fragile with out a doubt, it is underrated on this site. Fragile is one of the greatest albums ever created Nursery Crime can't campare with Fragile. ------------- "Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day" |
Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: December 27 2005 at 22:31
| fragile |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 07:51
Ahhhhh... comon now... how in hell culd i ever shoose betwen thos 2 fantastic albums?  ------------- 
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 07:57
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Fragile is indeed the best Yes effort while Nursery Cryme is only the 3rd or 4th best Genesis album... even so, Nursery Cryme is miles ahead of Fragile. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: A'swepe
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 09:43
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As much as I love YES, I've gotta go with Nursery Cryme this time. Fragile is a very good album but I agree that (generally) the 5 individual songs are less than stellar. The rest of the album is as good as it gets, 24/7 airplay for 33 years notwithstanding (Roundabout). Nursery Cryme may suffer from a production deficit, but the songs are ALL excellent.
------------- David - Never doubt in the dark that which you believe to be true in the light. http://www.myspace.com/aardvarktxusa - Instrumental rock http://www.soundclick.com/aardvarktxusa |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 10:07
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Gotta go with Nursery Cryme. It's just way more good than Fragile and it doesn't have any filler
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 12:08
I agree! |
Posted By: Octamarium
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 13:30
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I surely prefer Nursery Cryme! Fragile has three great songs (Roundabout, South side of the sky, Heart of the sunrise).....the rest is only rubbish prog experience ------------- Look in the mirror...my friend! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 13:58
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Nursery Cryme. It just appeals to me more. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 15:24
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My gosh, you've pitched Musical Box (fave early Genesis track) up against Heart Of The Sunrise (fave early Yes track!!)..... ...Fragile wins by a VERY short head... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: AtlantaCatFan
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:09
| Fragile. It is a top 2 Yes album for me and much superior, in my personal view, to Nursery Cryme (which I'd rate as a second tier Genesis album). |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:11
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Judging by this thread alone, people's oppinions is almost over whelmingly in favour of Fragile being the better of the two.So why is Nursery Cryme higher in the prog chart? Tactical reviewing by Genesis fanatics??????
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:12
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Once again, if you care so much, why don't YOU write a review for Fragile...there is no Genesis conspiracy!!!
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:15
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How else can you explain four Genesis albums in the top 10. Nuff' said. |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:17
More people like and review Genesis albums...I don't know. I just don't understand or care that much. I don't even know what Genesis albums are in the top twenty! ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:30
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^ Fragile is higher in the chart! ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 17:53
Yes, you're right, I just looked at the chart to check it out. I would never write a review for Fragile because it has been rated too many times already because it is a very popular Prog album and Yes is a very popular artist. If people disagree, they should write their own reviews and get their opinion about albums out to the PA community. If I think an album needs more exposure, that is what I do, I write a review. If I remember correctly, I have only written two reviews concerning popular, famous Prog releases (Islands and Duke). I guess I just don't care enough about the top twenty...I have heard all the albums minus the Riverside release, which seems to get very, very good ratings from what I see, although I still have no intention of hearing it, it's just not my thing!!! I don't make my purchases or listens based on this list, but I know a lot of Newbies do, and the list here at PA, for the most part, seems very appropriate for newbies to start exploring Prog. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 18:13
ENOUGH. It comes up in every thread. You're right, we're all a bunch of Genesis fans corrupting a prog site for absolutely no reason. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 18:16
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 18:52
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People complain about the production of Nursery Cryme, as though that's all that matters. Personally, I listen to music for the music, not the production. Sure, better production helps, but any seasoned, intelligent music fan will rise above production and focus on the music. If we faulted art based on the technology of the time, then we'd say that Picasso sucked because he wasn't using a computer to create his artwork, or The Beatles are crap because their early work was recorded in mono. Fragile's production isn't all that much better anyway. There's just a somewhat more aggressive style on that album that makes it rock more than Nursery Cryme. That's a good thing in some ways, but it can't take away the color and contrast and beauty and intricacy that Nursery Cryme has (which is lacking on Fragile).
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Posted By: herbie53
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 20:14
But I have to admit that I still like "Long Distance Runaround" & "Mood for a Day"... |
Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 20:37
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Fragile is my favoriteYes album and I rate it above Nursery Cryme Both are great I actually like most of the short tracks on Fragile and feel they break up the epics I like Absent friends for the same reason. I don't agree with the tribalism I see on this list There really isn't much to separate Floyd Yes and Genesis but the fact they are so close means we can keep arguing ------------- How wonderful to be so profound |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 21:56
You don't have to be here long to realize the site is a haven for the prog-metal fan, and the Genesis fan hahahah. To follow up on a previous post on Fragile v. Nursery Cryme... some historical perspective. UK NURSERY CRYME Date: 11/05/1974 - Run: *39* (1 wk) Re #01: 31/03/1984 68 (1 wk) Total # of weeks: 2-1c ( Top 40: 1) US Nursery Crime..did not chart or wasn`t released UK FRAGILE Date: 04-12-1971 - Run: *7*-15-28-0-0-31-24-24-16-36-15-26-47-18-26-0-50-0-21-39-0-0 -0-24 (17-10c/1 wks) Total # of re-entries: 4 US:#4/46/15 US FRAGILE Date: 22-01-1972 - Run: 177-51-17-11- 8-*4*-4-4-4-6-6-6-4-4-5-5-4-7-7-12-15-27-36-4 4-55-68-72-85-88-88-95-102-108-108-110-120-134-134-139-152-1 49-153-161-172 (44/15 wks) Re #01: 14-04-1984 191-188 (2 wks) Total # of weeks: 46-44c (Top 10: 15, Top 20: 19 Top 40: 21) UK:#7/17/1 Artist Title Cert. Date Label Award Desc. Format Category Type YES FRAGILE 03/10/72 ATLANTIC GOLD ALBUM GROUP Std ...neither album charted in France or Germany... ...cannot find any chart information on Nursery Crime other than the one week at #39 in 1974 and as you see above it re-entered the charts at #68 for one week in 1984....other than that...I can`t find it anywhere else in the world..Japan,Canada,Spain , Australia , Norway etc... some info on how these albums were received back 'in the day'. Nursery Cryme didn't even chart in their home country until what... 3 years after it was released. Why... who knows, bad production, a rep as a boring group ,
or the more likely view, they were a 2nd or 3rd rate prog group at the
time. Doesn't prove much I know, other than while many hear find
Nursery Cryme to be an equal of Fragile, in any kind of objective
'analysis' ... it isn't. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Harold Dupont
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 22:37
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Those are two albums I know pretty well, and I think that Fragile is more complete and good than Nursery Crime |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 23:30
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Your deduction only proves that Thriller and Sturday Night Fever are the best albums of all times, almost a year holding N° 1 position. If I believed in charts or top 40 lists, I wouldn't be listening Progressive Rock. Iván BTW: If I haven't done it, I vote for Nursery Cryme, has the best Genesis song ever and Fragile sounds as an early version of Works by ELP, where every member is allowed to do a solo track, not among my favorite Yes albums. Iván
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 23:33
50% for Nothing...if you can call it a song. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 23:34
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 23:37
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Fragile - Nursery Cryme -
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 23:37
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Anyways....I vote for Nursery Cryme wholeheartedly. Fragile is messy as hell, and has only two songs I completely like ("Mood for a Day," "Heart of the Sunrise"). Nursery Cryme, on the other hand, has "The Musical Box," "The Return of the Giant Hogweed," "Seven Stones" "The Fountain of Salmacis" and everything else is either good or benign...no bad tracks. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 23:38
So we've established that, track-wise (not total album time-wise) that Fragile is 1/3 sh*te. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 23:51
wHILST WEV'E ESTABLISHED NURSERY CRYME IS 100% sh*t. Listening to it is like watching a Carry On movie. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 23:55
That's ignorant and you know it's not true. If you believe Nursery Cyme is 100% sh*te, then I don't know what you're doing listening to prog. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 23:58
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Stop with the conspiracy theories already. Only a fool would try to do something like that, and frankly we don't have that many fools on this site, though some threads would point to something different. Simply put, it's a good album. So is Fragile. But the individual tracks (except perhaps Jon's) are toss-aways. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 00:02
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^Good to know that somebody shares the same sentiments as me!
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 00:06
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Well, Nursery Cryme is a great, solid album, with no filler(except the two minutes of For Absent Friends, which IMO is a good short song). Fragile has, as Ivan mentioned above a few songs that are individual solo tracks by members which are pretty weak and boring. Fragile is easily the weakest album of Yes' 71 - 77 period. They made their true triumph with CTTE, which I prefer over Nursery Cryme. CTTE is #1 on the chart, so it's fair enough. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 00:18
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Do you know how to count?????? Nursery Cryme
Fragile:
It was a hard job, but just wanted to prove that you talk without doing research, you just say Fragile wins and we must believe you EVEN WHEN YOU'RE NOT SAYING THE TRUTH. When you wrote this post NURSERY CRYME WAS WINNING 19 AGAINST 17 VOTES EXPRESSED IN THIS THREAD. AT THIS MOMENT NURSERY CRYME IS WINNING 23 AGAINST 19. (Counting the last vote for Nursery Cryme after I posted this reply) Before you bark, read and count, unless you want to count the many times you, Micky and , Winter Wine wrote how great was Fragile and what a crap was Nursery Cryme. Even if I missed 1 or two votes (What I douubt, because double checked, your "almost over whelmingly triumph of Fragile in this thread" is CRAP. Iván EDIT: Sorrry Stonebeard, I missed your vote, even worst for Progger's credibility, I corrected it. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 00:24
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Ivan: Nursery Cryme: 22. stonebeard
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 00:25
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Tough choice, but I like Nursery Cryme a bit better. I like Roundabout and South Side of the Sky more than anything on Nursery Cryme, but NC is the better overall album in my opinion.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 00:51
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Hey Progger: According to the top 100, Fragile is 9 and Nursery Cryme is 10, so we Genesis fans could be ranting against that after this thread in which NURSERY CRYME IS WINNING (I will check how many newbies vote this night You created a Top 20 alternative thread, and I proved you that other reliable web sites have similar results, you only make a point in threads were anonymous votes can be altered, here where everybody has to post with his nick, we are in the right path. So you better take your conspiracy theories to other places, Prog Archives is the most reliable source for Prog and MOST members are decent people. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 01:24
Ivan, Your statistics prove that 'Fragile' is by far the superior album. BTW, you forgot another reason why the public and the critics didn't rate it in it's heyday....the songs [except the closing section of 'Musical Box' is rubbish! Goodnight! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 01:34
1. How???? 2. An ignorant generalization. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 01:35
Progger, is your point just to piss everyone off in this forum? If you read the statistics that Ivan has given, you must not have a brain if you respond the way you did. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 01:49
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^Apparently, that's exactly his point How are they rubbish? Are the compositions weak? is the musicianship poor? is the production bad? On Nursery Cryme every song is solid and balanced, while Fragile has a bunch of filler. It was an experimental album, with each member having his solo track. (Cans And Brahms for Wakeman, We Have Heaven for Anderson, 5% for nothing for Bruford, The Fish for Squire, Mood For A Day for Howe) There are only four complete quality songs. Out of those, Roundabout and Long Distance Runaround are really nothing special. Fragile is the weakest of classic Yes. Nursery Cryme is one of Genesis' greatest albums. Isn't that obvious? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 02:02
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Please guys, calm down. There's no way to win with Progger, he LIES about the results to show how Fragile is "suposedlly" better. After proving him he was talking crap NURSERY CRYME HAD MORE VOTES (verified name by name), he changes his sermon. Now, even when statistics prove he is wrong he says that Nursery Cryme is a one song album. According to this guy:
The funnier thing is he doesn't said why he lied (Maybe it's that he never learn to count), and before anybody askes him why??? He says good night and runs. He has no arguments except lies and aggression, as The Who wrote for Tommy: We ain't gonna take you, Tommy by The Who lyrics (We're not gonna take it) Iván -------------
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