BRITISH PROG IS THE BEST!

ivan_2068 wrote: Greenback wrote: Of course, do not forget the 80's! You have to be ignorant to not consider this decade as important in prog history! Marillion, Pink Floyd, Rush, Yes, IQ, ELPowell. Just a few days we were talking about this kind of posts, everybody is entitled to his opinion without having to be called ignorant. As you see, I strongly disagree with you Greenback, but I don't need to call you an ignorant, this is a civilized forum, try to keep it this way. Iván

Ivan: Your English is excellent. However, you seem to have needlessly taken offense at a word which has a few nuances of which you may not be aware. Ignorant does not mean stupid, it just means one who ignores (deliberately or unwittingly), or is (innocently) unaware of (in this case, eighties prog). It is not necessarily an insult.  One can describe one's self as being "blissfully ignorant" of a fact, which simply means, "I was happier not knowing".

James Lee wrote: ignorance of the prog is no excuse

LOL!

Fragile wrote: Prog originated in the UK of that there is no doubt.The major innovators inspired and created all those who followed and there has been more than a few throughout the last four decades.But the great sadness for me being British/Scottish and (Jon Anderson's dad was a Scot from Paisley) is that the media ignore real music and push the drivel that is modern music.I saw Arena last Easter in Glasgow and there was hardly fifty people there.This once great rock country is seriously ill.

Fragile,

Looks like between us (my sons and I were there) we made up about 10% of the audience.

It was the Easter weekend I suppose, but even so, the turn out was really disappointing. It did provide a great opportunity to chat to the band before the gig though. Despite the poor attendance, the band played a superb gig.

Ivan, ignorant does not mean stupid! We are all ignorant in a certain way! When Threefates shows the photos in the trivia section and asks us to guess, I feel the most perfect ignorant, and that's OK!

The "problem with the 80's" is that most of the best 70's bands choked during that decade, probably because of lack of inspiration, new technology and desire to make more money. Sure it is frustrating for many of us. Thanks God other bands provided the continuity, but this decade was a period of adaptation, fer sure! This decade was not as prolific as the 70's or the 90's, but it was a good start to cope with the new technology (keyboards). Nowadays prog rock is more alive than ever, and one can really find a band that fits his preferences, that's what is wonderful!

ivan_2068 wrote:

IMHO Hybris and Epilog are by far the best prog' albums from the 90's, I believe there's not a single album from the 80's and 90's that could be even close to this two masterpieces.

It just boils down to personal tastes. While I like Anglagard, I wonder if they're just a bit overrated because I never hear the group's name spoken in other than reverential tones (if you get my drift). I think there are numerous other prog CDs that are as solid as those two, easily: Book Of The Dead  by Arsnova, Il Passo Del Soldato by Nuova Era, Esoptron by Kenso, and The Devouring by Djam Karet, to toss out a couple.

{ETC.} Anekdoten has relesed 6 albums (4 is studio).

To date they have, but I'm talkin' about the '90s. I wasn't counting live albums, either. Otherwise, Kenso's live albums are gonna smoke everybody's!

But even if there were only 5 or 6, I chose quality berore quantity, and the quality in the 90's was in Sweden.

Carry on, then. Pretend Italy and Japan don't exist.

To be precise, the 3 men Genesis are the best representation of the 80's, the decade I try to forget.

Dude, are you joking? Best of the '80s? C'mon. Kenso, Rush, (pre-1988) Tangerine Dream, Twelfth Night (with Geoff Mann), IQ and Fish-Marillion kicked ass for (most of) the '80s. Poppified Genesis???

Waters left Pink Floyd after "The Final Cut" (Which was not one of the band's best albums), and the later are not the same

Floyd's seriously overrated, anyway.

Emerson Lake & Palmer didn't released a single album, and ELPowell is not precisely a masterpiece.

And ELPowell is a seriously underrated album! It's ELP, down pat, just a bit more streamlined, with Cozy's xlnt power drumming. Now, if you were talking about that horrid To The Power Of Three album...

Kansas released their three worst albums.

I concur.

Asia: You have the right to like them, but IMHO they only released third class prog and second class AOR.

Not prog, at all.

Jethro Tull didn't released a single outstanding album in the 80's.

Except for a couple of songs, A is an outstanding album! Otherwise, you're on the money.

Rick Wakeman released mostly New Age stuff, nothing even memorable, not even 1984.

I disagree; I like 1984 quite a bit.

About Rush, you're right, Power Windows is a great album, but still I believe their best job was done in the 70's.

Power Windows is great, indeed, but Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures, Signals, and Grace Under Pressure are even better. 411: those albums came out in the '80s, and defined Rush. Out of the '70s, Hemispheres is easily their best.

It's so easy to forget isn't it? Oh I remember British Prog rules!Or did, at one time or another.Just sitting here waiting on my cab to go out for beer with my mates.To quote the great man 'Beer my love for you will never die'

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Ivan, ignorant does not mean stupid! We are all ignorant in a certain way! When Threefates shows the photos in the trivia section and asks us to guess, I feel the most perfect ignorant, and that's OK!

Don't worry Greenback, never assumed Ignorant means stupid, if you had called me stupid I would have answered you with something like  $%*+$"

If you read my post just before your's you'll notice I took no offense, only said that the same word indifferent cultural contexts can mean opposite things, but I know what you mean.

Let's there be peace among the progheads.

Useful Idiot wrote:

He was saying that poppified Genesis is the best representation of the 80s.  In other words, they show everything he associates with the 80s, and really everything he hates about them.

You understood my point, maybe I wasn't too clear.

Drop Forge wrote:

Carry on, then. Pretend Italy and Japan don't exist.

Again didn't ment that, Italian Prog' is one of my favorites, and in my post I mention the specific cases of Italian bands that were not a shadow of their 70's incarnations.

Justto end, there were some good albums in the 80'sw, but that decade was mostly dominated by Neo Prog (Soft Prog with commercial tendencies) and AOR.

The 70's were defined by Progressive Rock (until 76 or 77) even when  Disco music dominated in the last three years.

The 90's were defined mostly for the alternative music and a weak resurrection of prog'.

I don't hate everything from the 80's there's some good stuff released in that decade, but mostly is a decade with no representative genre except maybe AOR and Arena (The genre, not the band), the birth of MTV  and even most of the prog' icons sold out.

Iván

Eighties prog was ok..as mentioned previously IQ are good , glad to see they are still making music worth listening to..Subterrenea is one of my fave by this band..and from what i've heard so far from Dark Matter... i'm impressed.There is still hope for a return to Prog. Sadly a good band just split up recently-Karnataka. Genesis in the eighties eek!! something i'd like to forget...Genesis were great till Gabriel left..ok for a bit then it went downhill when Hackett left.The late 60's/70's was the best time when Britain produced outstanding bands/music. Hopefully we shall see a return to such wonderful days.

Uhh... did somehow this thread merge with the 80s thread???

Just to get back to the actual subject of this thread... of course British prog was the best... they produced the original King Crimson and  ELP didn't they??? 

You didn't expect me to say anything else, now did you??