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Genres are always awkward, and the more rigid, the worse. Currently on PA there's Tori Amos and Big Big Train side by side, in Crossover Prog. Doesn't make any sense, but that's how it is - nobody cares enough to put in the effort to change it. LOL
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Also here's a really good article on the concepts of the album: https://www.loudersound.com/features/avenged-sevenfold-life-is-but-a-dream-the-story-behind-the-album
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Genres are always awkward, and the more rigid, the worse. Currently on PA there's Tori Amos and Big Big Train side by side, in Crossover Prog. Doesn't make any sense, but that's how it is - nobody cares enough to put in the effort to change it. LOL

It's not that nobody cares, that's an exaggeration, I guess BBT in crossover does not bother people. If you think the artist's subgenre needs to be changed, that is wrong, make a case for it and a change will be made for sure. 
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^ Sure, people care - I just said that nobody cares *enough* to actually do something. I do think that keeping BBT in crossover or Haken in heavy is wrong, but I do not care enough to put in the effort to write pages upon pages of justification. I decided long ago to stop caring about PA genres and instead put my effort into my own website, where things aren't as rigid and formalized. It's a win-win Smile
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Sure, people care - I just said that nobody cares *enough* to actually do something. I do think that keeping BBT in crossover or Haken in heavy is wrong, but I do not care enough to put in the effort to write pages upon pages of justification. I decided long ago to stop caring about PA genres and instead put my effort into my own website, where things aren't as rigid and formalized. It's a win-win Smile

I agree that Haken shouldn't be in heavy-prog.
Subsignal is in neo-prog (I disagree here, I will make a case when I have the time). 

And some other artists are in the same situation, a discussion at least won't do any harm. 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Sure, people care - I just said that nobody cares *enough* to actually do something. I do think that keeping BBT in crossover or Haken in heavy is wrong, but I do not care enough to put in the effort to write pages upon pages of justification. I decided long ago to stop caring about PA genres and instead put my effort into my own website, where things aren't as rigid and formalized. It's a win-win Smile

Precisely my view, and one, BTW, which is shared by the bulk of the progressive rock community, especially artists and journalists.
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Ultimately most PA users don't really care about whether Haken is listed as heavy prog or prog metal. PA is first and foremost about artist bios and reviews, that's what keeps it at the top position in search engines like Google and that is the primary focus of the owners. So nobody really benefits enough from minor corrections like this to invest the time and energy it takes (due to the "decision by kommitee" process), as long as bands are listed and reviews can be read and written, everyone is happy.

None of that is meant as a criticism, it's just how I perceive things work around here. Smile
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Perhaps we should have a process for proposing a genre change, similar to how we suggest bands in the first place.
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^ The more light-weight, the better IMHO. Start a thread about it, and if a few special collabs agree (from the affected genre teams), then change the genre :-)
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Ultimately most PA users don't really care about whether Haken is listed as heavy prog or prog metal. PA is first and foremost about artist bios and reviews, that's what keeps it at the top position in search engines like Google and that is the primary focus of the owners. So nobody really benefits enough from minor corrections like this to invest the time and energy it takes (due to the "decision by kommitee" process), as long as bands are listed and reviews can be read and written, everyone is happy.

None of that is meant as a criticism, it's just how I perceive things work around here. Smile


Ironically Haken is listed as heavy prog and should be prog metal

While Riverside is listed as prog metal and should be heavy prog!

This site is woefully outdated and i don't really get bothered by these things.

Only a multiple tagging system is relevant at this stage.

The site really should be completely reworked.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Ultimately most PA users don't really care about whether Haken is listed as heavy prog or prog metal. PA is first and foremost about artist bios and reviews, that's what keeps it at the top position in search engines like Google and that is the primary focus of the owners. So nobody really benefits enough from minor corrections like this to invest the time and energy it takes (due to the "decision by kommitee" process), as long as bands are listed and reviews can be read and written, everyone is happy.

None of that is meant as a criticism, it's just how I perceive things work around here. Smile


Ironically Haken is listed as heavy prog and should be prog metal

While Riverside is listed as prog metal and should be heavy prog!

This site is woefully outdated and i don't really get bothered by these things.

Only a multiple tagging system is relevant at this stage.

The site really should be completely reworked.

I 100% agree with you here, both about Haken & Riverside and the tagging system. I've been strongly critical of the tagging system in the past, and I really think doing by-album instead of by-artist would be huge for keeping ProgArchives relevant.
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So I checked out their new one along with The Stage and Nightmare, and reached all the way back to my youth and revisited City of Fear. As sceptical as I was going in, it's evident they've finally done it and embraced their prog side. I gave them my Yes and now they're cleared for addition.

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Great, I'm happy they cleared on this site, and I'm glad it was a battle worth having here!

I'll write up a review or two after their formal addition to the site, to get them started! Smile
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I'll add the band tonight once I'm off work. I never thought I'd ever see these guys on PA, but those last two albums really turned everything around
Take me down, to the underground
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

I'll add the band tonight once I'm off work. I never thought I'd ever see these guys on PA, but those last two albums really turned everything around
lmk when you're doing it; I'll help you with the tedious task of adding the albums
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Avenged Sevenfold added. I'll get to the discog now
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Studio full-lengths have been added, although for some reason, the artwork for Waking the Fallen and Hail to the King isn't showing up. I'll see if I or the admins can edit that part
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Studio full-lengths have been added, although for some reason, the artwork for Waking the Fallen and Hail to the King isn't showing up. I'll see if I or the admins can edit that part

Yeah it seems I'm a little late sorry

but I got the live albums and the EPs, so there's that!

I accidentally did Black Reign twice, so please delete the one with the incomplete information. Also for both Live at the LBC and Diamonds in the Rough, the drummer should be credited as "The Rev."

Edit: lmao you also beat me to the review. Here I am outlining a brand new review when you already had one written five years ago LOL Eh, I'll publish mine tomorrow. I need a break from my computer for a bit Wink


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I wrote a review for Life is but a Dream, but it doesn't seem to be showing up on the homepage. Is there a way to do this?
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If you already rated it before submitting a review, unfortunately it won't show up as a new review. It's a weird situation, and I had to find out the hard way LOL Your best bet would be to ask one of the admins to delete your rating/review so you can resubmit it

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Take me down, to the underground
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Why oh why, there is no light
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