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Pekka
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 09:03 |
I know ELP's output from the debut to Welcome Back My Friends... All of those albums have some really good stuff, but also a lot of material that leaves me cold. Trilogy is I think their best album as a whole, the only one that's more or less good material from beginning to end. Karn Evil 9 is my favourite song from them and contains my favourite keyboard riff ever.
Camel on the other hand is a band that I have a huge soft spot for. Brilliant stuff from Mirage to Moonmadness, then downhill towards the 80s when they had a couple of very good albums in Nude and Stationary Traveller. Dust and Dreams continued on the good standards set by these albums, but on Rajaz and A Nod and a Wink they returned to the same level they last were on Moonmadness. Love both albums. And especially I love Latimer's vocal performance on both. His voice truly gained a lot of character and emotion as years went by. Definitely one of my dearest favourite bands from the prog field, if not the dearest of all.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 09:21 |
Still can't stand ELP. Still have this soft spot for Camel's two, three maybe four first. But none are among my 100 favorite bands (ELP not even in my top 1000).
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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angelmk
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 09:32 |
Camel for sure, i never menaged to fully embrace elp.
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fil karada
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 09:40 |
No doubt here, Camel it is.
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memowakeman
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 09:46 |
Camel
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rogerthat
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 10:29 |
Blistering Barnacles, ELP losing out to Camel, I am not reading this! Poor crimson87's joy was shortlived, it turns out. 'fraid I have to agree even more now with what micky said the other day in that Genesis thread, something about easy listening. Not that I dislike Camel, their albums are very pleasant, though not very interesting beyond a point, and Latimer's solos are great, but I find ELP a rather obvious winner in this poll. Turns out the majority disagrees with me.
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crimhead
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 10:43 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Still can't stand ELP. Still have this soft spot for Camel's two, three maybe four first. But none are among my 100 favorite bands (ELP not even in my top 1000).
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Not even in the top 1000? Wow that is harsh. I can think of at least a thousand groups that ELP is better than. I went with Camel but I like ELP equally.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 10:48 |
Camel
I like a lot ELP, but Camel has "diversity" of sounds.
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Hercules
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 11:38 |
My tastes have changed since the last poll.
I like Camel even more and ELP even less.
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 11:39 |
In one interview I read with Carl Palmer, he said he thought ELP only made two good albums. I'm inclined to agree..
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crimson87
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 11:39 |
There is something I will never understand ,why is ELP labeled as a "cold" band in this site? Their live shows were incredible and their best records send shivers down my spine. And they also created "beautiful" music like Pirates for example.
Besides how do you come to the conclusion that Camel's music comes from the heart and ELP's not?
I know that it's all about your personal tastes but in my opinion with the exeption of some songs and "The Snow Goose" Camel is the cold one here. I don't want to sleep with symphonic prog , I have my copy of Tangerine Dream "Zeit" for that matter! ( Incredible album by the way)
I don't have a single doubt that if Mirage was released in 1970 it would have been quite groundbreaking , but it was released 4 years later! Almost an eternity You had loads of incredible records in that period
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Raff
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 11:48 |
I see I will have to write another review ...
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 11:49 |
crimson87 wrote:
There is something I will never understand ,why is ELP labeled as a "cold" band in this site? Their live shows were incredible and their best records send shivers down my spine. And they also created "beautiful" music like Pirates for example.
Besides how do you come to the conclusion that Camel's music comes from the heart and ELP's not?
I know that it's all about your personal tastes but in my opinion with the exeption of some songs and "The Snow Goose" Camel is the cold one here. I don't want to sleep with symphonic prog , I have my copy of Tangerine Dream "Zeit" for that matter! ( Incredible album by the way)
I don't have a single doubt that if Mirage was released in 1970 it would have been quite groundbreaking , but it was released 4 years later! Almost an eternity You had loads of incredible records in that period |
I never regarded as ELP as 'cold' as such. Plenty of their music came from the heart, I'm sure, but these bands had a differet approach to making music. Camel was about melody, and less about the 'show' ELP was more about virtuosity and interpretting classical music, and dare I say it 'showing off'
I dont object to that, in principle. Prog is about variety and trying different things musically, but for me I prefer the Camel formula. ELP were almost too patchy and inconsistent for me, and Greg Lake often tried to sing things he shouldn't have. His rendition of Jerusalem was horribly flat.
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Raff
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 11:51 |
Well, Andy, in my humble opinion Latimer ALWAYS tried to sing things he shouldn't have.... He even sang most of the parts when he had Richard Sinclair in the band!
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 11:53 |
This is turning out very similarly to last year.
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crimson87
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 11:53 |
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 11:58 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 12:14 |
Raff wrote:
Well, Andy, in my humble opinion Latimer ALWAYS tried to sing things he shouldn't have.... He even sang most of the parts when he had Richard Sinclair in the band!
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Agreed. Latimers voice was the weakest element in Camel, imo. In my first post I did say that I considered Lake the better singer overall. But if you're going to sing hymns, it's probably best to make sure you're able to first.. I find his performance on 'The Only Way' on Tarkus toe curling to be honest.
Lake was at his best singing heavier material, and some of the ballads he pulled off quite well.
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Sacred 22
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 12:47 |
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Sacred 22
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 12:52 |
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