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Poll Question: Who do you think is the best, popular progressive rock drummer?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2005 at 18:56
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

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  At least I did vote for Cobham. 

 

But would you if Erhart's name had been there?Wink

 

No, actually I think I would have voted for BC.  I like all those drummers up there and others have named (including Neil Pert )  and PE too but I saw BC at a drum clinic with the late Louie Belson and I saw him do things that were just crazy. First of all he gets on his huge kit and plays just like a machine then he gets on Belson's standard jazz kit and it was like a toy for him!  Then goes back to his kit and plays some rock beats with such power I haven't heard even some metal drumers achive. Kind of like seeing Stanley Clarke playing stand bass up then picking up an electric bass.  His hand spread is just amazing.  Stanley could probably bar chord his bass with no problem.

No, Garion-you would have voted for Mr Erhart! Embarrassed

it is all conjecture anyway. People either vote for their favorite drummer or vote for the one with the most kudos attached.Billy Cobham-if he's that good how come he aint sold no recordz?Like wot Phil Collinz haz?LOL

 

Once, He tried to sing Can't hurry Love and Randy Said "Rough Dawg Rough", Paula said "you did your best you big hunk of meat but there are others better. BTW how about coming over to my hotel and singing that for me in private?" Simon said "That is the worst God awful sh*t I have ever heard.  You thought about singing for Genesis?"

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Oh my god, Garion-that is treason.You're gonna get flamed to death for that.Saying those awful things about Phil Collins. Get to your room!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2005 at 19:01

Best prog drummer - Bruford

Best drummer on the list - Cobham

Best drummer period - Elvin Jones

Drummer who has just nailed my face to the PC and skinned me alive with his beats - Flo Mounier from the death metal outfit Cryptopsy

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Billy Cobham Bio-

Only a few times in history has a musician been
singled out as the world-class master of his
instrument. Billy Cobham is one of those few artists.
For over 30 years, he has received international
acclaim as the total consummate percussionist.

The legendary Billy Cobham, with his matchless,
dazzling, ambidextrous skills as a drummer, has
applied the same insistent fervor to his long list of
monumental achievements. He’s an accomplished
composer and record producer. 

Cobham and guitarist John McLaughlin split off from
Davis' group to pursue a harder rocking brand of
fusion in the Mahavishnu Orchestra, which debuted
in 1971 with the seminal The Inner Mounting Flame.
With Mahavishnu, Cobham's fiery intensity was given
its fullest airing yet, and his extraordinary technique
influenced not only countless fusioneers in his
wake, but also quite a few prog rock drummers who
were aiming for similarly challenging musical
territory. The 1972 follow-up Birds of Fire cemented
his reputation. His first album as a leader, Spectrum
solidifies that statement for progressive rock.

He has performed on hundreds of records with his
own groups and with some of the music’s most
luminary artists, and his trademark - biggest, fastest,
explosive drumming - has energized the
international stages of concerts, symphonies, big
bands, Broadway, festivals, television and video. He
has been a teacher of his artistry, giving drum
clinics, conducting workshops and symposiums
throughout the world. His stylistic influence, which
has literally created a category of music, is an
outstanding part of the history of modern music.

You decide


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2005 at 19:57

 

 This is a tough one...i'd go for Carl Palmer but i've gotta go for carl palmer.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2005 at 20:21
Billy Cobham is a phenomenal drummer, but I don't consider him a prog rock drummer.  He just played on a handful of jazz fusion albums.
Prog is the new punk, becuase kids who shop at Hot Topic don't know Bill Bruford is God.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2005 at 21:10
1969 - Began recording with Miles Davis

1970 - 1973 Performed with John McLaughlin in
Mahavishnu Orchestras with Jan Hammer, Jerry
Goodman and Rick Laird.

1973 - Recorded "Spectrum" for ATLANTIC
RECORDS with Tommy Bolin –gtr, Jan Hammer –
Kys, Lee Sklar – E.Bs, Ron Carter – Ac. Bs, Jimmy
Owens –tpt, Joe Farrell – Flute and Ray Barretto –
Congas.

1974 - Recorded ‘Crosswinds" (Atlantic) and "Total
Eclipse" - (Atlantic) with the same band as (1973).

1975 - Recorded "Inner Contlicts" (Atlantic) with
Jimmy Owens - tp, Julian Priester - trb, Ernie Watts
-sx, John Scofield - gtr, Sheila Escovedo - perc., and
John B. Williams - bs

1978 - Recorded "Johnny McLaughlin - electric
guitarist" with Jerry Goodman and Jan Hammer.

1979 - Toured and recorded with Tony Williams in
Japan at ‘live under the Sky" Jazz Festival.
Performed on concert tour with John McLaughlin,
Jack Bruce, and Stu Goldberg in Europe.

1980 - Performed at Radio City Music Hall with the
Gratetul Dead. Performed on concert tour with Jack
Bruce and Friends.

1981 - Performed on tour with Jack Bruce and
Friends featuring: David Sancious - kys, Clem
Clemson - gtr, Jack Bruce - bs. Performed at the
International Percussion Festival in Seattle,
Washington with Tito Puente (Puerto Rico), Okuta
Percussion (Nigeria), Zakir Hussain and Ala Rakka
Kahn (India)

1984 - Co-produced ‘The World Of Rhythm"
television special and live concert in Lugano,
Switzerland, featuring Cheech and Chong, Herbie
Hancock, Ron Carter, Louis Bellson, Gil Evans, Bob
Weir and Bobby and the Midnites Michael Brecker,
Randy Brecker and "Glass Menagerie".

1988 - Recorded with Peter Gabriel "Passion"
soundtrack for Martin Scorcece film ‘The Last
Temptation of Christ".

1990 Performed in Isreal and Santiago, Chile with
Jeff Berlin and T Lavitz.

1992 - Performed and recorded and produced at
WOMAD Festival with Peter Gabriel and Okuta
Percussion (Nigeria), and Farafina (Bourkino Faso).

1994 - Performed with Peter Gabriel in Europe, and
U.S.A. on "US" TOUR.

1997 - Performed and recorded with Paradox – "The
First Second to be released on the Enja label
featuring "Wolfgang Schmid - bs and Bill Bickford -
gtr. Recorded "Spaces Revisited" with guitarist Larry
Coryell.

1998- Performed with JAZZ IS DEAD and recorded
the c.d. "Blue Light Rain" (ZEBRA) - Performed in
Istanbul, Turkey with Paradox.

while touring, recording and producing more than
this with other famous jazz artists.

oh, the first track on Inner Conflicts is a mind blower,
billy drumming and playing with percussion
synthesizers, kinda like Carl Palmer meets Rick
Wright, but its just little Billy, woop, woop, woop!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2005 at 00:33

I voted for Peart, Bruford's good, but Peart is the best.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2005 at 08:42

I voted Bruford, but if there had been an "other" section :

THE MAN

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2005 at 09:40
I would personally pick Zoltan from the Flower Kings, because of his wonderful mix of jazz and prog drumming.  I also dig Bruford, Peart, Portnoy, and Ehart. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2005 at 09:50

Alex Acuna's one of the coolest drummers ever.

But from the list I'll choose Peart for his excellent overall performance.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2005 at 23:35
I voted for Neil Peart, if only because I feel he doesn't get his due. (No obvious Canadian bias here)

But I would be deluding myself if I didn't say that Bruford was the best Prog drummer...ever.

And I think Phil Collins should have made the Poll list. No matter how much he is almost universally detested as the post-Hackett frontman for Genesis, the man could still play some mean skins.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 04:53
Poor Steve Gadd...somebody should pick him.

Not a prog rock drummer exactly, very talented indeed though.
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Portnoy !!!! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 07:21
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 07:43
Portnoy wants to be Peart, but has none of Peart's finesse.

Sorry, Velve, that's just the way I feel

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 08:47

Dallas good history - but I'll take the liberty in fine tuning and adding here and there.

 

 

 

Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:


Congas.
late 60s to mid 70's session work on a lot of CTI recordings, e.g. Deodato, Don Sebeski (listen to the merging of Birds of Fire with Stravinski's Firebird Suite on Sebeski's Giant Box album)

(1970? and 1973 Dreams with Brecker Bros (1973 album: Imagine My Surprise - brass rock with the  inevitable Traffic cover!!))


1974 - Recorded ‘Crosswinds" (Atlantic) and "Total
Eclipse" - (Atlantic) with the same band as (1973).

(I think you'll find the Brecker Bros (again) and John Abercrombie are on at least one of these albums).

(When were those Larry Coryell albums originally released by Vanguard Records in the 70's recorded?).


(Contributions on Stanley Clarke albums - e.g. Schooldays, Live at The Greek (the latter of which has a funky version of Spectrum)).

1978 - Recorded "Johnny McLaughlin - electric
guitarist" with Jerry Goodman and Jan Hammer.

(but note Cobham is only on two tracks (?))

1979 - Toured and recorded with Tony Williams in
Japan at ‘live under the Sky" Jazz Festival.

(Album available of live gig in Tokyo, now available on Brian Auger's website, which includes a Williams/Cobham drum battle:

http://www.brianauger.com/discography/discography.html)


Performed on concert tour with John McLaughlin,
Jack Bruce, and Stu Goldberg in Europe.

(Caught the band at London's Rainbow Theatre - a great gig to finish the 70's. Alas only recordings available are bootlegs of this line-up in action in Germany)


1980 - Performed at Radio City Music Hall with the
Gratetul Dead. Performed on concert tour with Jack
Bruce and Friends.

1981 - Performed on tour with Jack Bruce and
Friends featuring: David Sancious - kys, Clem
Clemson - gtr, Jack Bruce - bs. Performed at the
International Percussion Festival in Seattle,
Washington with Tito Puente (Puerto Rico), Okuta
Percussion (Nigeria), Zakir Hussain and Ala Rakka
Kahn (India)

(I think at this time Cobham lead line-up of Bruce, Sancious, Lockwood and Holdsworth at Montreux Jazz Festival - good quality bootleg exists - while  probably only Holdsworth preventing it being legitimised wrt release. Could also be part of a Columbia all stars big band line-up recorded at Montreux - released on two double albums about the same time. And what about the Cobham/Johnson/Scott/Khan Anotherlivemuthaforya recording made at Montreux:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000066J11/qid%3D11 07524937/202-3069264-5567066).

1984 - Co-produced ‘The World Of Rhythm"
television special and live concert in Lugano,
Switzerland, featuring Cheech and Chong, Herbie
Hancock, Ron Carter, Louis Bellson, Gil Evans, Bob
Weir and Bobby and the Midnites Michael Brecker,
Randy Brecker and "Glass Menagerie".

1988 - Recorded with Peter Gabriel "Passion"
soundtrack for Martin Scorcece film ‘The Last
Temptation of Christ".

1990 Performed in Isreal and Santiago, Chile with
Jeff Berlin and T Lavitz.

1992 - Performed and recorded and produced at
WOMAD Festival with Peter Gabriel and Okuta
Percussion (Nigeria), and Farafina (Bourkino Faso).

1994 - Performed with Peter Gabriel in Europe, and
U.S.A. on "US" TOUR.

1997 - Performed and recorded with Paradox – "The
First Second to be released on the Enja label
featuring "Wolfgang Schmid - bs and Bill Bickford -
gtr. Recorded "Spaces Revisited" with guitarist Larry
Coryell.

(I'm sure buried in my collection of jazzrock CDs I have a Enja recording by Schmidt/Bickford /Cobham simply called Paradox???)

 

(What the tours Cobham did with Gary Husband playing keyboards (and an album, Time Traveler(?) with only one track with Husband playing drums - to duet with Cobham?))

(And what about the period at the end of the 90's when Cobham uproots from the USA  to decamp to be resident in Sweden - recording a couple albums with only European musicians?)


1998- Performed with JAZZ IS DEAD and recorded
the c.d. "Blue Light Rain" (ZEBRA) - Performed in
Istanbul, Turkey with Paradox.

while touring, recording and producing more than
this with other famous jazz artists.

oh, the first track on Inner Conflicts is a mind blower,
billy drumming and playing with percussion
synthesizers, kinda like Carl Palmer meets Rick
Wright, but its just little Billy, woop, woop, woop!

The following site seems to give a much fuller discography:

http://www.billycobham.com/discog.htm

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 12:39

Best prog drummer?Much too difficult!O.k my arm is twisted .......BRUFORD although difficult to ignore early Collins when he was still inventive or Peart for sheer technical skill Bruford is a master musician and still a strong influence on me today.I also have a special love of Guy Evans(VDGG)for his imagination

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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Dallas good history - but I'll take the liberty in fine tuning and adding here and there.

 

 

 

Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:


Congas.
late 60s to mid 70's session work on a lot of CTI recordings, e.g. Deodato, Don Sebeski (listen to the merging of Birds of Fire with Stravinski's Firebird Suite on Sebeski's Giant Box album)

(1970? and 1973 Dreams with Brecker Bros (1973 album: Imagine My Surprise - brass rock with the  inevitable Traffic cover!!))


1974 - Recorded ‘Crosswinds" (Atlantic) and "Total
Eclipse" - (Atlantic) with the same band as (1973).

(I think you'll find the Brecker Bros (again) and John Abercrombie are on at least one of these albums).

(When were those Larry Coryell albums originally released by Vanguard Records in the 70's recorded?).


(Contributions on Stanley Clarke albums - e.g. Schooldays, Live at The Greek (the latter of which has a funky version of Spectrum)).

1978 - Recorded "Johnny McLaughlin - electric
guitarist" with Jerry Goodman and Jan Hammer.

(but note Cobham is only on two tracks (?))

1979 - Toured and recorded with Tony Williams in
Japan at ‘live under the Sky" Jazz Festival.

(Album available of live gig in Tokyo, now available on Brian Auger's website, which includes a Williams/Cobham drum battle:

http://www.brianauger.com/discography/discography.html)


Performed on concert tour with John McLaughlin,
Jack Bruce, and Stu Goldberg in Europe.

(Caught the band at London's Rainbow Theatre - a great gig to finish the 70's. Alas only recordings available are bootlegs of this line-up in action in Germany)


1980 - Performed at Radio City Music Hall with the
Gratetul Dead. Performed on concert tour with Jack
Bruce and Friends.

1981 - Performed on tour with Jack Bruce and
Friends featuring: David Sancious - kys, Clem
Clemson - gtr, Jack Bruce - bs. Performed at the
International Percussion Festival in Seattle,
Washington with Tito Puente (Puerto Rico), Okuta
Percussion (Nigeria), Zakir Hussain and Ala Rakka
Kahn (India)

(I think at this time Cobham lead line-up of Bruce, Sancious, Lockwood and Holdsworth at Montreux Jazz Festival - good quality bootleg exists - while  probably only Holdsworth preventing it being legitimised wrt release. Could also be part of a Columbia all stars big band line-up recorded at Montreux - released on two double albums about the same time. And what about the Cobham/Johnson/Scott/Khan Anotherlivemuthaforya recording made at Montreux:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000066J11/qid%3D11 07524937/202-3069264-5567066).

1984 - Co-produced ‘The World Of Rhythm"
television special and live concert in Lugano,
Switzerland, featuring Cheech and Chong, Herbie
Hancock, Ron Carter, Louis Bellson, Gil Evans, Bob
Weir and Bobby and the Midnites Michael Brecker,
Randy Brecker and "Glass Menagerie".

1988 - Recorded with Peter Gabriel "Passion"
soundtrack for Martin Scorcece film ‘The Last
Temptation of Christ".

1990 Performed in Isreal and Santiago, Chile with
Jeff Berlin and T Lavitz.

1992 - Performed and recorded and produced at
WOMAD Festival with Peter Gabriel and Okuta
Percussion (Nigeria), and Farafina (Bourkino Faso).

1994 - Performed with Peter Gabriel in Europe, and
U.S.A. on "US" TOUR.

1997 - Performed and recorded with Paradox – "The
First Second to be released on the Enja label
featuring "Wolfgang Schmid - bs and Bill Bickford -
gtr. Recorded "Spaces Revisited" with guitarist Larry
Coryell.

(I'm sure buried in my collection of jazzrock CDs I have a Enja recording by Schmidt/Bickford /Cobham simply called Paradox???)

 

(What the tours Cobham did with Gary Husband playing keyboards (and an album, Time Traveler(?) with only one track with Husband playing drums - to duet with Cobham?))

(And what about the period at the end of the 90's when Cobham uproots from the USA  to decamp to be resident in Sweden - recording a couple albums with only European musicians?)


1998- Performed with JAZZ IS DEAD and recorded
the c.d. "Blue Light Rain" (ZEBRA) - Performed in
Istanbul, Turkey with Paradox.

while touring, recording and producing more than
this with other famous jazz artists.

oh, the first track on Inner Conflicts is a mind blower,
billy drumming and playing with percussion
synthesizers, kinda like Carl Palmer meets Rick
Wright, but its just little Billy, woop, woop, woop!

The following site seems to give a much fuller discography:

http://www.billycobham.com/discog.htm

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Cos I had a tenner yesterday and I'll be buggered if I can find it anywhere!Wink

 

 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2005 at 06:47

Wake up!

Carl Palmers the greatest prog drummer.

You lot will be voting for Karen carpenter the way you're going, as the best drummer if she were prog,well & alive.

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