porcupine tree-crap

It's definately alright to feel the way you do about Porcupine Tree at first.  I didn't think they were much of anything when I first listened to them but, actually, I am listening to them right now and enjoying the hell out of it!

Definately try to listen to some other albums.  I think that 'The Sky Moves Sideways' and 'Signify' are their weakest albums so if you started with those maybe you should look into Lightbulb Sun, Deadwing (for something a little heavier), or Voyage 34 if you are just in a strange sort of mood!  Please give them another chance... and give The Mars Volta another chance while you are at it!

Theres a whole new prog world around you know... and the air is much fresher

NaturalScience wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: Yet another prog snob,this place is full of them. Don't worry,leave all the new,interesting bands,who are pushing the boundaries and trying to be innovative...to us. You go back and drool over your Jethro Tull albums. Seriously, why bother feeding these trolls?  Every band has their fans and their detractors.  Creation of these threads lead to pointless discussions; I recommend next time giving such posts the treatment they deserve - silence.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

This thread is pure flame bait, just look at the title and at how the post itself is phrased:

(quote gentletull)

yet another disappointing modern band I heard for the first time ;). They can go in the rubbish bin with Tool and Spocks beard. I have a feeling that Mars volta will be more of the same lol

The guy doesn't want advice on how to get into modern prog, and he doesn't need it anyway, the only thing he needs is someone to check his grammar for him.

 

Karn Evil 9 wrote: Everyone says how much Porcupine Tree is influenced by Floyd, but none of the songs I heard from them sounded like Pink Floyd in the least. One of my friends is a big Porcupine tree fan, and she said they have alot of psychadelic sounding stuff. Which PT albums show this best? Im not a big fan of most newer music, but I like to give new things a try, and my head is where the sun shines. If I hear some good Porcupine Tree, then I would be more than happy to take back my previous statement about how I dont like them.

Sky Moves Sideways.

I don't take issue with him disliking Porcupine Tree. If he wants to decide he dislikes something after one listen, that's entirely his prerogative. I'm not sure why someone who's willing to make snap judgements is even on a prog site, but whatever.

However, his initial comment (as well as the topic of this thread) was flame bait, period.

I had started to expect more from the denizens of this here fine forum.




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All prog is good!!

I like PT (I'm a really fan). But I like old prog bands too.

- I like all Genesis (Gabriel-Collins-Wilson) and Yes line-ups (Yes, "Drama" and Rabin stuff too!). I'm very into King Crimson, Focus and Jethro. I like Kansas and Asia (Wetton or Payne, really!!). All Rush albums. And bands like Wobbler, Anekdoten, Sinkadus, Liquid Scarlet, who re-create that old sound  

- I like neo: Marillion (Fish), Pendragon, Arena, IQ, Pallas, Galleon, Jadis, Twelfth Night, Grey Lady Down, etc. 

- I like new prog like Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Ayreon, Sylvan, RPWL, The Pinneapple Thief, Marillion (Hogarth),  etc. 

- And I like prog-related bands like Muse, Radiohead, Saybia, Codplay, etc.

1) Of course, I think the master pieces form the "old school" are "In the Court of the Crimsom King","Selling England by the Pound", or "Close to the Edge".

2) But there are more modern prog masterpieces like "Deadwing", "In absentia", "Trying to Kiss the Sun", "Deliverance", "V", "Snow", "Metropolis Pt. II", "The Masquerade Overture", "the World" "The Wake", "Ever", "Subterranea", "The Visitor", "Into the Electric Castle", "Moonshine", "Into the Electric Castle" "Mind over Matter", etc. 

3) And stuff like "Absolution" and "OK Computer", too!

Prog is a recognyzable hybridized rock music. Is music that aspires. Epic or love songs. Long or short songs. With classic or modern influences. 4/4 o 9/8. Old or New.       

If you sound exactly like in 1970 you're not in progress! 

Let it be progressive, not retrogressive!

My friend: Try another albums from PT (and BLACKFIELD, NO-MAN, BASS COMUNNION, I.E.M., STEVE WILSON, and others of his works with O.S.I., FISH, MARILLION, PAATOS or OPETH) , and give another chance to the most important prog musician-writer-producer of this time!!!!!!

 

 

Bob Greece wrote: [QUOTE=gentletull]I can tell straight awway when I won't get much out of a band. I listened to deadwing and I know it will never do anything for me. It's doesn't meet my standards  . Old music is the best. It doesn't just sound awesome straight away, it is gets better after more listens :). I recommend everyone search and search for all the great old music because it's better than todays rock music . I listened to Wobbler today and it sounds like a complete copy of tull, gentle giant, camel, genesis, elp and yes lol. It sounds alot better than porcupine and tool etc, but it was so much of a copy it was embarrasing[/ QUOTE] That's your problem. You expect new music to sound exactly like the old music or else you don't like it. But if the new music does sound exactly like the old music you call it a copy.

In other words theres no solution.

Rashikal wrote: porcupine tree is prog i guess by fusing nu-metal and piano pop???

 That rules!

It's sad but true, man! All these modern prog/prog metal bands think it's a good idea to put crappy chug-along riffs into their music to make it sound "metal." They need to realize...it's fake metal!

That being said, I don't like Porcupine Tree's last 2 albums. Too nu-metallic for my tastes.

I have been listening to prog for over 30 years without being labelled as such. It was only when a more learned friend of mine said that my style of music is progressive that I have finally been labelled. Needless to say I am not too much into labels - just the music and PT is excellent.

Why do you say crap. Can't you be more civilised and say that they are not to your taste.

Why all the grief directed towards Gentletull? So he doesn't like the Porkies? So what? Instead of sl*gging him/her off why not suggest something new that might float his prog boat.
If he likes Tull and Gentle Giant then maybe checking out Wobbler or something cleverly retro like that wouldn't be bad idea. No point telling him he's wrong, that's just thick.
I can't stand a lot of bands but I can understand why others do (except in the case of Dream Theater, who require a lobotomy to be enjoyed )




















just joking - well not really


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