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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

It may be a nonsense thread but his English isn't that bad-- I interpreted it fine, so let's cut the non-English phobia.

Speaking for myself it's not about phobia. It's about being able to understand what was typed. If people can make themselves clear then I wouldn't say anything. The fact that Paul echoed my post should tell you it wasn't just one person having trouble understanding what was posted. Anyway, this isn't something worth going around in circles about but I did want to respond to your response since I feel you unfairly labelled this as a case of "phobia."
Here comes the prog snobs!!!!!!
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and Yes!! English is not first language, however that is the problem with most prog fans!! SNOBS in everything!! all the way!!!! that is the main problem, too hatefully and snob!!.
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You're more likely to receive positive and constructive commentary and feedback if you do more positive topics and focus on more complementary terms for people, and try to develop ideas with people (brainstorm) rather than contradict. It seems a quite antagonistic approach that leads to more antagonism. Anyway, that's my opinion that could be expressed much better.

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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

and Yes!! English is not first language, however that is the problem with most prog fans!! SNOBS in everything!! all the way!!!! that is the main problem, too hatefully and snob!!.

Oh man,  you are too funny! LOL
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

You're more likely to receive positive and constructive commentary and feedback if you do more positive topics and focus on more complementary terms for people, and try to develop idea with people rather than contradict. It seems a quite antagonistic approach that leads to more antagonism. Anyway, that's my opinion that could be expressed much better.

I wholeheartedly agree. What you put out there is typically what comes back to you. 
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Prog fans are snobs, but they also appreciate many forms of music.   Both things are true.
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."   -- John F. Kennedy
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

It may be a nonsense thread but his English isn't that bad-- I interpreted it fine, so let's cut the non-English phobia.
 thank you very much!!!
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Prog fans are snobs, but they also appreciate many forms of music.   Both things are true.
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Well, I am a huge prog fan myself! however I am not a snob!. I like and appreciate most all music genres and almost all rock subgenres. 
The point of this poll or topic was to get an idea why most prog fans are in my eyes are sooooo boasters, snobs swaggers and arrogant?!. and the last comments are proving it!!!. There was a time that I did not believe it and I used to get very discomfort with the opinions of music's critics regarding progressive rock fans and they were right. Most do consider themselves intellectual, but they are just full of sh*t!!!!. Prog rock is great and I really love and enjoy it a lot, but I don't walk around behaving and pretending that I am better person just because I am a prog fan!  that is all bullsh*t!! and pathetic!. it is just great music! but that's about IT. I may not speak or write like you guys but I am not an idiot. 
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Not that I really have to justify my musical tastes but I'm not a prog snob either. I like classic rock (hate the term though; I call it album rock), heavy metal (traditonal metal mostly), hard rock, new wave, alternative, new age, jazz, fusion, classical. Just about everything except most rap and country. I don't think most prog fans are snobs in the sense that they don't like other forms of music although maybe some feel prog is inherently superior (I'm sure classical fans are that way too) since most prog fans seem to listen to other stuff.

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Not that I really have to justify my musical tastes but I'm not a prog snob either. I like classic rock (hate the term though; I call it album rock), heavy metal (traditonal metal mostly), hard rock, new wave, alternative, new age, jazz, fusion, classical. Just about everything except most rap and country. I don't think most prog fans are snobs in the sense that they don't like other forms of music although maybe some feel prog is inherently superior (I'm sure classical fans are that way too) since most prog fans seem to listen to other stuff.
 I respect your opinion brother. I can see you are a very respectful fan and not a snob!. 
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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Not that I really have to justify my musical tastes but I'm not a prog snob either. I like classic rock (hate the term though; I call it album rock), heavy metal (traditonal metal mostly), hard rock, new wave, alternative, new age, jazz, fusion, classical. Just about everything except most rap and country. I don't think most prog fans are snobs in the sense that they don't like other forms of music although maybe some feel prog is inherently superior (I'm sure classical fans are that way too) since most prog fans seem to listen to other stuff.
 I respect your opinion brother. I can see you are a very respectful fan and not a snob!. 

Thanks. I hope you don't think I was too rough on you. It wasn't personal. We are all prog fans.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Not that I really have to justify my musical tastes but I'm not a prog snob either. I like classic rock (hate the term though; I call it album rock), heavy metal (traditonal metal mostly), hard rock, new wave, alternative, new age, jazz, fusion, classical. Just about everything except most rap and country. I don't think most prog fans are snobs in the sense that they don't like other forms of music although maybe some feel prog is inherently superior (I'm sure classical fans are that way too) since most prog fans seem to listen to other stuff.
Here's an unpopular opinion. Not liking the majority of hip-hop (or country and hip-hop) music is a form of snobbery in and of itself. A very mild one but still.

I have tons of respect for this particular kind of snobs though. Because seeing how hip-hop and country genres have devolved over the course of their lifespan was a horrible thing to witness for me. So I don't blame you. ;)

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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

The point of this poll or topic was to get an idea why most prog fans are in my eyes are sooooo boasters, snobs swaggers and arrogant?!.

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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

and Yes!! English is not first language, however that is the problem with most prog fans!! SNOBS in everything!! all the way!!!! that is the main problem, too hatefully and snob!!.

Hi,

I never thought about that like/dislike thing ... the only thing that bothered me, was an attitude that was wrong from the start ... England/UK invented and discovered the world! Period! And (sometimes) that attitude has a tendency to make them think that they are right in their music choices and others aren't ... but no one tells them that they did not exactly look at other countries and what they were doing that was also progressive, and the USA gets to be the number 1 right away ... with one problem ... the USA is like 4 or 5 countries, and we will NEVER be able to agree on anything East/West, or even North/South! It's the worst part of the USA, as those divisions go into so many areas as to be ridiculous and petty.

But, we discovered, long ago, with "IMPORTS" (wow 55 years!!!) that there was a lot of progressive stuff in other parts of the world ... how can we not consider Italy/France progressive like the English when they had enough bands also showing the material ... oooppppsss ... the English/UK carcass, for a long time, did not listen to a different language because it was wrong, improper and bad manners ... and they thought their ideas were being subverted.

It's gotten way better in the past 10 years, with the only thing that needs to be adjusted, and helped a bit more, is the bunch of newbies that don't know much about the history ... and some of them hate the history because it takes apart their "favorite" ... but places like PA, I think, have helped improve this ... it was much worse way back when and today there are many more folks here on PA ... unlike many other Progressive websites, where the history is actually appreciated and mentioned.

Honestly, only the haters hate anything ... and we should give them the choice of the number of doors and make sure that all three of them have a pile of steaming heap ... so the announcer can say ... but it's really good "shi$". Sorry Firesign Theater ... there's good room for your joke. Would you hand me the pliers please?
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In the final analysis, no one has to justify their musical taste; I don't really like the word snob...I listen to prog, a bit of old school metal, jazz (mostly fusion) and classical music..don't like country or rap at all.
                  People can listen to whatever they like, and if there is a lot they don't, I don't hold it against them.
         Be thankful if you live in a society where you can listen to whatever you want....there was a time and a place (Nazi Germany) where if you listened to a Mahler symphony, you would be thrown in a camp, so the fact that we are selective in our music is a blessing and a privilege....
           
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Quote I don't really like the word snob
I can see where 'ur comin' from. That term is used to discredit someone who has a highly subjective and specific taste or ideology tolerance for a certain aspect of animation, music, media etc. in a very similar fashion to how the terms such as "normie", "simp" or "NPC" are thrown around to discredit someone with a basic, undemanding taste.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Not that I really have to justify my musical tastes but I'm not a prog snob either. I like classic rock (hate the term though; I call it album rock), heavy metal (traditonal metal mostly), hard rock, new wave, alternative, new age, jazz, fusion, classical. Just about everything except most rap and country. I don't think most prog fans are snobs in the sense that they don't like other forms of music although maybe some feel prog is inherently superior (I'm sure classical fans are that way too) since most prog fans seem to listen to other stuff.
Here's an unpopular opinion. Not liking the majority of hip-hop (or country and hip-hop) music is a form of snobbery in and of itself. A very mild one but still.

I have tons of respect for this particular kind of snobs though. Because seeing how hip-hop and country genres have devolved over the course of their lifespan was a horrible thing to witness for me. So I don't blame you. ;)

There's a big difference between not caring for a particular genre and turning your nose up on it. What makes it snobbery is the attitude not the preference (or lack thereof). Snobbery implies a kind of eltism and an attitude that something is better than something else. I'm not saying country and rap are inferior and that everything else is superior. That's the difference. Wink
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Are we baiting pretty much here? Wink
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Having worked in record stores for eleven years ; I  broadened my tastes from hard rock, prog, classical to jazz and avant -garde 60's music and eventually just about all genres. Even with those influences ; I found it was all good (for the most part ). So, in regard to the comment about heavy metal as a musical description: ironically, a reviewer for Melody Maker magazine described King Crimson first live show as sounding like "heavy metal" (1969). 
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