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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2014 at 20:07
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I think we should let this person be the judge of what correct grammar is. Listen to this speech, especially shortly after 4:30:



Oh for crying out loud...

One more time for the hard of comprehension: you only use the pronoun "I" when it is the subject of a verb, in this instance both you and Jean are the objects of a verb even though the verb itself ("is") is unstated. 

"My husband and I paid visit to Portugal"

"visit" is the verb

"My Husband and I" is the SUBJECT

"Portugal" is the OBJECT

Follow the rule - remove the "My husband and" from the sentence to check that it makes sense: 

"I paid a visit to Portugal" - big tick and a gold star to the lady in the tiara.

Therefore Queen Mrs Betty Windsor is perfectly correct in her use of "and I"

Wrong in one aspect, Dean. The caption of the picture is not a full sentence, it is an ellipsis. So it is only an  assumption of you that the caption of the photo is supposed to be "This is BaldJean and I". The full caption would however be "BaldJean and I sitting at a table of our restaurant".


Edited by BaldFriede - March 13 2014 at 20:11


BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2014 at 20:09
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2014 at 20:20
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:


Wrong in one aspect, Dean. The caption of the picture is not a full sentence, it is an ellipsis. So it is only an  assumption of you that the caption of the photo is supposed to be "This is BaldJean and I". The full caption would however be "BaldJean and I sitting at a table of our restaurant".
*sigh* 
Again, remove the "BaldJean and" from the sentence to see if it makes grammatical sense:

"I sitting at a table of our restaurant"    ... oh dear, wrong again

so, sorry, no prize. The correct form is still

"Me sitting at a table of our restaurant"

What we have here is now an unstated preposition, since the pronoun is the object of a preposition it cannot also be the subject of a verb.

So another way of putting the caption would be to add in the unstated preposition: "A photograph of BaldJean and me sitting at a table of our restaurant" where "BaldJean and me" would be the object of the preposition "of" because clearly that is what it is, a photograph of you. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2014 at 20:21
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

And you and I got into a fight over grammar

Except we didn't, but I can't fault your grammar.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2014 at 23:46
That is, Friede, you say we should evaluate Atlantis in Admin Team whether they can be fit for Related or not ... right?

As Greg (Logan) says, they've got voted "Related" in Eclectic Team and I have respect for their final decision.


EDIT: And Dean, sorry for my poor (grammar-broken) Engrish. Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 02:38
Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

That is, Friede, you say we should evaluate Atlantis in Admin Team whether they can be fit for Related or not ... right?

As Greg (Logan) says, they've got voted "Related" in Eclectic Team and I have respect for their final decision.


EDIT: And Dean, sorry for my poor (grammar-broken) Engrish. Tongue
Your grammar Keishiro is, as always, impeccable, your interesting and unusual sentence structure isn't bad grammar. 

Anyway, you are correct about Atlantis, if this means that you are taking them to the Admin team yourself for evaluation then I will do the addition if they are accepted. Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 03:03
This place really is becoming uber mental. As far as the policies for the evaluation of bands and the privileges enjoyed by collaborators goes, as forthright and unpalatable as Dean's stated position may be, I can only endorse his sentiments wholeheartedly. The 'grammar wars' however are just plain vanilla tiresome from intelligent adults (is intelliGENT sexist? does anal retentive have a hyphen? does anyone on here catalogue their own faeces?Confused)

Similarly to the Stripping a Myth ITCOTCK thread, this is just another transparently disingenuous ruse with which to stir up controversy for the enjoyment of an OP who is clearly so bored that smug contrariness is the only contribution she has to offer PA.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 03:32
Simultaneously erudite and puerile while managing to confuse Jean with Freide, it can only be that I.a.i.n. bloke.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 03:41
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Simultaneously erudite and puerile while managing to confuse Jean with Freide, it can only be that I.a.i.n. bloke.


OK there's humour in there and I've tried to keep it light-hearted but what's childishly silly and immature about it?
Hardly a heinous crime to confuse two people who use the one avatar methinks?Ouch
Anyway, I'm not the one arguing like a pedantic school ma'am over grammatical nitpicking



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 03:48
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Simultaneously erudite and puerile while managing to confuse Jean with Freide, it can only be that I.a.i.n. bloke.


OK there's humour in there and I've tried to keep it light-hearted but what's childishly silly and immature about it?
Hardly a heinous crime to confuse two people who use the one avatar methinks?
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Trust you not to complain about being called erudite. Typical. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 05:02
The missus says that Dean is utterly correct in his grammatical statements. I agree with her, because she is always correct in these matters.

The missus also wonders whether we would all be better off getting a life. I did try to explain to her that these things are important, but, there we go.

The missus also wonders whether someone should make an application for me to be evaluated for Krautrock, or failing that related to some form of German thingy, on the basis that I was born in Germany (Dad was in the army), and that I used to sing a bit, but am now an ageing rocker.

Personally, I think she could be on to something!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 05:06
Steve for Krautrock? Absolutely Capital!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 05:17
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

The missus says that Dean is utterly correct in his grammatical statements. I agree with her, because she is always correct in these matters.

The missus also wonders whether we would all be better off getting a life. I did try to explain to her that these things are important, but, there we go.

The missus also wonders whether someone should make an application for me to be evaluated for Krautrock, or failing that related to some form of German thingy, on the basis that I was born in Germany (Dad was in the army), and that I used to sing a bit, but am now an ageing rocker.

Personally, I think she could be on to something!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 05:18
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Steve for Krautrock? Absolutely Capital!


David, I have explained to The Boss just what a huge move forward having an Admin's backing in this eval process is.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 05:22
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

The missus says that Dean is utterly correct in his grammatical statements. I agree with her, because she is always correct in these matters.

The missus also wonders whether we would all be better off getting a life. I did try to explain to her that these things are important, but, there we go.

The missus also wonders whether someone should make an application for me to be evaluated for Krautrock, or failing that related to some form of German thingy, on the basis that I was born in Germany (Dad was in the army), and that I used to sing a bit, but am now an ageing rocker.

Personally, I think she could be on to something!

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You were born in Germany and choose to live in Wales? That's like swapping a dinghy for an anvilWink

Heh, heh!

We came back to England when I was a young boy. My sister was born in Aldershot.

I lived in various parts of England up until 1999, when I moved to Wales on promotion with work (it was either accept the job in Wales, or lose the career).

It worked out well. I met the wife, had the sprog, and career has blossomed.

All I have to do is keep very quiet when England beat Wales in the rugger, and all is at peace!LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 06:26
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

The missus says that Dean is utterly correct in his grammatical statements. I agree with her, because she is always correct in these matters.

The missus also wonders whether we would all be better off getting a life. I did try to explain to her that these things are important, but, there we go.

Alas I failed English language O level back in 1972 with a grade so low I must have also managed to misspell my own name at the top of the examination paper, at the time someone joked that I could have achieved a better grade if I had left the paper blank. My old Headmaster was less charitable, he said I would never achieve anything in life with such a poor understanding of the written word and my progress to A levels was thus curtailed. Having discovered later that a mild form of dyslexia was a contributory factor in the learning difficulties I encountered during my school days, I endeavoured to teach myself at my own pace, to pursue higher education and attain a degree, spurred on with the desire to prove my Headmaster wrong and achieve something in life without a piece of paper that proclaims that I can write English in a goodly fashion. Some forty years later I am still learning and while I have yet to master the act of tying shoe laces, I have taught myself to approach grammar as a technical problem to be analysed and solved following logical rules. 

My missus, who is an English teacher at a Sixth-form college, occasionally comes to me for advice on grammar. Last night while she was sat marking students work, it was on the use of "practice" and "practise" - and while I instinctively knew the difference ("I practise my piano practice.") I could not immediately explain why, however analysing that example reveals the answer - practise is a verb, practice is a noun - and that sounds like a mathematical rule to me so I double-checked that with "licence" and "license" and with "advice" and "advise" - low and behold - the rule holds true. QED.

I know I've come across as a grammar-bully here, ready to pounce upon every minor transgression with the fervour of a rabid pedant, and I can only apologise for that, it is never my intent to do that. Using colloquial grammar in a post is nothing to be critical of, we all do it - I will continue to use the erroneous phrase "baited breath" even though Peter has corrected me on that (the correct term is "abated breath") because I like the pun, (think angler fish) and whenever I've used it here my words were indeed intended as "bait". When people misuse you're and your or there, their and they're I happily ignore it and move on - we all know what the person meant, there is no ambiguity or cause for confusion. 

Friede's grammar in her signature affects me differently, (and again, I apologise to Friede for perpetuating this argument), it is a permanent statement that I see every time she posts and it rankles me that someone with a mathematically keen mind such as hers would let such a common misuse of grammar mark each post she makes.

In recompense for my unreasonable behaviour last night I have volunteered to add Atlantis into Prog Related if the Admins vote to accept them. This of course assumes that I have read Keishiro's comment correctly, and if I haven't then I will take it upon myself to propose them on Friede's behalf.

[And that is something else that irks me every time someone posts a "why are xxxx not here" post, (not withstanding that few ever read the PR submission guidelines that can be found atop the Forum Home Page), with over 100 Special Collaborators on this site no one ever seems to ask any of them to propose a band for Prog Related on their behalf.]


...and no, I don't have a life. This is my life, albeit only a part time one as it doesn't pay the mortgage.

(get well soon Steve, and we'd love to see you back on a team here)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 06:42
Dean, that is an interesting story about your experience when younger, the first time I have seen this. My stepson is severely dyslexic, and my son has Asperger's Syndrome with associated difficulties. The former, like you, overcame his disability, and attained a degree at Cardiff University three years ago. The latter has very solid support at school, something which was not, of course, available when we were at school.

You do not come across as a "grammar bully" to me. I enjoy such exchanges. 

Thanks re the get well message. I hope to be out of my plaster cast on Monday (this dependent upon the consultant), but will then have at least ten weeks in an air cast partially weight bearing and with lots of physio. One good thing to come out of all this is that work have agreed that I can work from home, and this is being sorted as I write.

As for a team, probably best not to suggest Krautrock or Canterbury, methinksWink However, I have rediscovered my love for the site, and am happy to do as asked. Certainly, I am loving reviewing and new music again, and this is a very important part of my life. Even the missus understands this!LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 06:46
That's about all the grammar schooling I can get my head around hahah...wuiiiih
I must applaud you though, Dean you have a curious way of turning even the dreariest of subjects interesting....to some extent that is;)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 06:53
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

The missus says that Dean is utterly correct in his grammatical statements. I agree with her, because she is always correct in these matters.

The missus also wonders whether we would all be better off getting a life. I did try to explain to her that these things are important, but, there we go.

Alas I failed English language O level back in 1972 with a grade so low I must have also managed to misspell my own name at the top of the examination paper, at the time someone joked that I could have achieved a better grade if I had left the paper blank. My old Headmaster was less charitable, he said I would never achieve anything in life with such a poor understanding of the written word and my progress to A levels was thus curtailed. Having discovered later that a mild form of dyslexia was a contributory factor in the learning difficulties I encountered during my school days, I endeavoured to teach myself at my own pace, to pursue higher education and attain a degree, spurred on with the desire to prove my Headmaster wrong and achieve something in life without a piece of paper that proclaims that I can write English in a goodly fashion. Some forty years later I am still learning and while I have yet to master the act of tying shoe laces, I have taught myself to approach grammar as a technical problem to be analysed and solved following logical rules. 

My missus, who is an English teacher at a Sixth-form college, occasionally comes to me for advice on grammar. Last night while she was sat marking students work, it was on the use of "practice" and "practise" - and while I instinctively knew the difference ("I practise my piano practice.") I could not immediately explain why, however analysing that example reveals the answer - practise is a verb, practice is a noun - and that sounds like a mathematical rule to me so I double-checked that with "licence" and "license" and with "advice" and "advise" - low and behold - the rule holds true. QED.

I know I've come across as a grammar-bully here, ready to pounce upon every minor transgression with the fervour of a rabid pedant, and I can only apologise for that, it is never my intent to do that. Using colloquial grammar in a post is nothing to be critical of, we all do it - I will continue to use the erroneous phrase "baited breath" even though Peter has corrected me on that (the correct term is "abated breath") because I like the pun, (think angler fish) and whenever I've used it here my words were indeed intended as "bait". When people misuse you're and your or there, their and they're I happily ignore it and move on - we all know what the person meant, there is no ambiguity or cause for confusion. 

Friede's grammar in her signature affects me differently, (and again, I apologise to Friede for perpetuating this argument), it is a permanent statement that I see every time she posts and it rankles me that someone with a mathematically keen mind such as hers would let such a common misuse of grammar mark each post she makes.

In recompense for my unreasonable behaviour last night I have volunteered to add Atlantis into Prog Related if the Admins vote to accept them. This of course assumes that I have read Keishiro's comment correctly, and if I haven't then I will take it upon myself to propose them on Friede's behalf.

[And that is something else that irks me every time someone posts a "why are xxxx not here" post, (not withstanding that few ever read the PR submission guidelines that can be found atop the Forum Home Page), with over 100 Special Collaborators on this site no one ever seems to ask any of them to propose a band for Prog Related on their behalf.]


...and no, I don't have a life. This is my life, albeit only a part time one as it doesn't pay the mortgage.

(get well soon Steve, and we'd love to see you back on a team here)


I'm a tad puzzled by my favorite terminally fluffy hippy - what unreasonable behavior are you guilty of? It was me who told the Fried Baldy/Gene hybrid to f*ck off. Notwithstanding my deeply held sincerity and precisely zero contrition, I expect to do the time that fits the crime as there is no excuse for such personal insults. We are both ex Admins and know such perceived largesse can only damage the site. If your sponsorship of Atlantis for PR is appeasement, then who exactly is this supposed to placate? (not really your style) or are you acting under the guise of expediency to right a 'report buttoned' wrong?
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