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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:07
Michael Jackson - Thriller
Prince - Purple Rain
Madonna - Like A Virgin
Janet Jackson - ?
Britney Spears - Oops I Did It Again and whatever else
Lady Gaga
Whitney Houston - whatever
Celine Dion - see Whitney Houston
Mariah Carey - see Celine Dion
 
i.e. it is pretty damn hard for a prog album to be considered overrated given they aren't even a blip amongst the conciousness of most of the living world.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:09
True that Godbluff isn't the best VDGG album like some people say, but it's still a masterpiece.  Not as much experimentation, but it has VDGG's tightest and most mature compositions in their career.
 
Now for the most overrated Prog album, I have two words: Misplaced Childhood.Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:18
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:


Now for the most overrated Prog album, I have two words: Misplaced Childhood.Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:21
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

After 6 years...yes, six years!! of picking people up on the old overated malarkey, I have no fight left in me, and simply join in. No one would listen to word I say anyway. At least I can say anything, without fear of any retribution...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:21
I think LE ORME's ''Felona e sorona'' is way too overrated...Great concept,but musically speaking the previous two works of the band were a lot better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:26
Originally posted by psarros psarros wrote:

I think LE ORME's ''Felona e sorona'' is way too overrated...Great concept,but musically speaking the previous two works of the band were a lot better.
Felona e sorona is still a great album by itself-i could never see it as over-rated
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:32
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Good old 'overrated' eh?

Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong.

I thought I'd check other people's comments before I'd type off on the subject and I can't put it any better than that.  The whole point of this site for me is to explore strange new worlds of music, new civilizations of music, to boldly check out new forms of progressive music that few have before.  Some artists do attract a lot of attention around here because a lot of us know them very well and appreciate their work.  Concern yourself less with the rating and more with quality of the content. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 10:44
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Good old 'overrated' eh?
Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong.


So what if this is what overrated means? Shouldn't we have a word for it and be able to discuss the concept? It sure is less cumbersome than titling a thread "Most Albums I Don't Like As Much As Other People Do."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 11:05
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Good old 'overrated' eh?

Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong.


True! I never actually understood how great this overrated-concept really is until now.

For me its Wish You Were Here and Animals. Yawn.

Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:


This may get me in hot water, but I also think Tales From Topographic Oceans is overrated. It's an awesome concept, but I can't even listen to The Remembering and The Ancients. As much as I like yes those two tracks just do nothing for me.

An album ridiculed for about 27 years, and featured in the top ten of every "worst album in the world... ever" lists ever made, overrated?

I feel like I'm one of millions of people not liking it.

I definitely agree about "Animals"


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 11:22
Originally posted by Jim Garten (again) Jim Garten (again) wrote:

Well, you see for me, 'Animals' is vastly under-rated; ie an album I really like, yet so many others don't... ergo (and again) I'm right & they're wrong

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 11:29
In the Court is revered for being the first true prog album, but 40 years on, it's pretty poor, Epitaph and the title track excepted.

The Wall isn't great, Godbluff leaves me cold (like all VDGG) and I completely fail to see why anything by PFM or Banco is so revered - their albums are 3* at best. Script is a bit overrated; I prefer Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws (but why didn't Script have Market Square Heroes on it??)

Moonmadness isn't as quite as good as The Snow Goose but that's like saying Rafael Nadal isn't quite as good as Roger Federer; it's still brilliant. ITLOGAP in my favourite Caravan album and nearly merits 5*.

But the album that gets my vote as most overrated is Harmonium's Si On Avait............etc. It's pleasant enough but never a masterpiece in a million years.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 11:52
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Looking at the top 10, I'd say:

Selling England by the Pound - two brilliant songs, the rest is pretty average Genesis stuff.

Close to the Edge - great album, but nowhere near as great as Relayer.

Dark Side of the Moon - one of the least interesting Floyd albums. The production is flawless (even a bit too flawless), but The Great Gig in the Sky is the only song on the album that shows some originality.

All of what he said but Dark Side of the Moon
that album was extraordinary for its time and hell got me into pink floyd which got me into prog and thats the case for many and should get some respect as good "Gateway prog"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:09
The entire catalogue of Depeche Mode. They're good band band but not that good.

As for prog album, I won't even start naming them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:15
I agree with numbers 2 and 3 of the OP, and would like to add First and Volume 2 of The Soft Machine, any Yes albums after Howe left, Tarkus (only the title track is remotely worth bothering with!), Nursery Cryme, and... lots others I can't think of right now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:21
Thirteen albums here are all great, but since they are rated higher than number fourteen, they qualify as overrated by definition, imho. Shocked Confused

Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - June 24 2010 at 12:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:21
I agree that Hot Rats is not close to the best Zappa album. I listened to it first because I heard it was the most accessible, and didn't like it. Then later I found Absolutely Free and Make a Jazz Noise Here and discovered his genius.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:30
Originally posted by Ronnie Pilgrim Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:

Thirteen albums here are all great, but since they are rated higher than number fourteen, they qualify as overrated by definition, imho. Shocked Confused

Ditto for the nineteen listed before number twenty one, excluding number fourteen of course.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:32
I'm going to say "Selling England by the Pound" by Genesis. Great album, don't get me wrong, but it does not deserve to be the highest rated of all time on prograchives...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 12:57
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

In the Court is revered for being the first true prog album, but 40 years on, it's pretty poor, Epitaph and the title track excepted.

The Wall isn't great, Godbluff leaves me cold (like all VDGG) and I completely fail to see why anything by PFM or Banco is so revered - their albums are 3* at best. Script is a bit overrated; I prefer Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws (but why didn't Script have Market Square Heroes on it??)

Moonmadness isn't as quite as good as The Snow Goose but that's like saying Rafael Nadal isn't quite as good as Roger Federer; it's still brilliant. ITLOGAP in my favourite Caravan album and nearly merits 5*.

But the album that gets my vote as most overrated is Harmonium's Si On Avait............etc. It's pleasant enough but never a masterpiece in a million years.
but "In the Court of the Crimson King" is not really the first true prog album, at least definitely not in the way "this is the album that started it all", as some people claim. had there been no "In the Copurt of the Crimson King" prog would have started nevertheless at the same time; many bands were already doing similar things. the German prog scene goes back to 1967, but German bands had an inferiority complex and did not dare to publish an album. had it not been for Amon Düül's "Psychedelic Underground" Krautrock might never have happened, but after that album no band needed to have an ifneriority complex; they could certainly not be worse than that.
as to "Epitaph": in my opinion the worst track on "In the Court of the Crimson King"


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