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Tapfret
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Posted: September 29 2008 at 12:48 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
keiser willhelm wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
German Doctors amputated the leg off the wrong guy last month. I think some of these doctors need to have their brains amputated. Over 24,000 cases of malpractice in Canada last year. Although we have free medicare in this goofy country most of the more talent goes down to the US.
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and yet millions of people are still screaming that free healthcare is politicallly, economically, and morally 'right'. lol at that. if that isnt at least a small critique of the proposed healthcare system in the US i dont know what is.
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If you think medical mistakes don't happen in the US health care system you are sadly mistaken. Health care will never be free, but health insurance really needs to be not for profit and single payer. We don't need faceless corporate bureaucrats second guessing our doctors. And our doctors do need to be accountable for their mistakes. I've had a bit of experience with the US health care system in recent years and I don't have any complaints. I work for a small business and know personally that health insurance expenses have been escalating to a ridiculous degree. Tantamount to a redistribution of wealth from my pay to a bunch of greedy CEOs.
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Being an RN myself, I see first hand the number of people that can't afford healthcare in the U.S., and you can't just tell them they can't be treated. They get treated and either taxpayers pay for it anyway or the hospital eats it. Look at the number of hospitals that get closed every year due to lack of funding. People can complain all the want about "wacky Canadian healthcare" or dangerous slippery slopes toward socialism, but if you don't take care of your community, the whole community suffers. I also hear alot about "all the Canadian doctors going to the U.S." That's a crock. Perhaps more specialized treatments can be obtained here, but for the largest healthcare needing populations (infectious disease, oncology, heart disease) more and more U.S. residents are heading to Mexico for affordable treatment. I can also tell you that even as a member of the healthcare profession, my insurance sucks. Exhorbatant co-pays, claims adjusters deciding what care I can have. Its crap. And you said it Slarti, the cost goes up as the quality goes down. And from an oversite perspective, I would certainly rather have that come from someone who cares about what they are doing, than someone who gets paid more to deny benefits.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 29 2008 at 14:02 |
Well, good thing you're not an WN in Antarctica. I'd be terribly worried about you boobies freezing off.
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keiser willhelm
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Joined: September 14 2007
Location: United States
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Posted: September 29 2008 at 14:06 |
Tapfret wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
keiser willhelm wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
German Doctors amputated the leg off the wrong guy last month. I think some of these doctors need to have their brains amputated. Over 24,000 cases of malpractice in Canada last year. Although we have free medicare in this goofy country most of the more talent goes down to the US.
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and yet millions of people are still screaming that free healthcare is politicallly, economically, and morally 'right'. lol at that. if that isnt at least a small critique of the proposed healthcare system in the US i dont know what is.
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If you think medical mistakes don't happen in the US health care system you are sadly mistaken. Health care will never be free, but health insurance really needs to be not for profit and single payer. We don't need faceless corporate bureaucrats second guessing our doctors. And our doctors do need to be accountable for their mistakes. I've had a bit of experience with the US health care system in recent years and I don't have any complaints. I work for a small business and know personally that health insurance expenses have been escalating to a ridiculous degree. Tantamount to a redistribution of wealth from my pay to a bunch of greedy CEOs.
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Being an RN myself, I see first hand the number of people that can't afford healthcare in the U.S., and you can't just tell them they can't be treated. They get treated and either taxpayers pay for it anyway or the hospital eats it. Look at the number of hospitals that get closed every year due to lack of funding. People can complain all the want about "wacky Canadian healthcare" or dangerous slippery slopes toward socialism, but if you don't take care of your community, the whole community suffers. I also hear alot about "all the Canadian doctors going to the U.S." That's a crock. Perhaps more specialized treatments can be obtained here, but for the largest healthcare needing populations (infectious disease, oncology, heart disease) more and more U.S. residents are heading to Mexico for affordable treatment.
I can also tell you that even as a member of the healthcare profession, my insurance sucks. Exhorbatant co-pays, claims adjusters deciding what care I can have. Its crap. And you said it Slarti, the cost goes up as the quality goes down.
And from an oversite perspective, I would certainly rather have that come from someone who cares about what they are doing, than someone who gets paid more to deny benefits.
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There needs to be a change, im not denying that. Its the massive govt. run system im scarred of. Governments are the most inefficient and poorly run institutions around. i think it would be a mistake to give them more control of the healthcare system when their track record clearly shows that they have absolutely no capability to do so. Medicade and medicare are absolute disastors. I think the govt. pays on the order of over 50% of all the healthcare costs in the country and the costs are still rising. Im not saying our system is all that much better than canada's right now because it isnt. its terrible. but i think it would be a bigger disastor to impose more regulation on the order of Canada's national healthcare system.
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Tapfret
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Joined: August 12 2007
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Posted: September 29 2008 at 14:24 |
keiser willhelm wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
keiser willhelm wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
German Doctors amputated the leg off the wrong guy last month. I think some of these doctors need to have their brains amputated. Over 24,000 cases of malpractice in Canada last year. Although we have free medicare in this goofy country most of the more talent goes down to the US.
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and yet millions of people are still screaming that free healthcare is politicallly, economically, and morally 'right'. lol at that. if that isnt at least a small critique of the proposed healthcare system in the US i dont know what is.
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If you think medical mistakes don't happen in the US health care system you are sadly mistaken. Health care will never be free, but health insurance really needs to be not for profit and single payer. We don't need faceless corporate bureaucrats second guessing our doctors. And our doctors do need to be accountable for their mistakes. I've had a bit of experience with the US health care system in recent years and I don't have any complaints. I work for a small business and know personally that health insurance expenses have been escalating to a ridiculous degree. Tantamount to a redistribution of wealth from my pay to a bunch of greedy CEOs.
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Being an RN myself, I see first hand the number of people that can't afford healthcare in the U.S., and you can't just tell them they can't be treated. They get treated and either taxpayers pay for it anyway or the hospital eats it. Look at the number of hospitals that get closed every year due to lack of funding. People can complain all the want about "wacky Canadian healthcare" or dangerous slippery slopes toward socialism, but if you don't take care of your community, the whole community suffers. I also hear alot about "all the Canadian doctors going to the U.S." That's a crock. Perhaps more specialized treatments can be obtained here, but for the largest healthcare needing populations (infectious disease, oncology, heart disease) more and more U.S. residents are heading to Mexico for affordable treatment.
I can also tell you that even as a member of the healthcare profession, my insurance sucks. Exhorbatant co-pays, claims adjusters deciding what care I can have. Its crap. And you said it Slarti, the cost goes up as the quality goes down.
And from an oversite perspective, I would certainly rather have that come from someone who cares about what they are doing, than someone who gets paid more to deny benefits.
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There needs to be a change, im not denying that. Its the massive govt. run system im scarred of. Governments are the most inefficient and poorly run institutions around. i think it would be a mistake to give them more control of the healthcare system when their track record clearly shows that they have absolutely no capability to do so. Medicade and medicare are absolute disastors. I think the govt. pays on the order of over 50% of all the healthcare costs in the country and the costs are still rising. Im not saying our system is all that much better than canada's right now because it isnt. its terrible. but i think it would be a bigger disastor to impose more regulation on the order of Canada's national healthcare system.
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The track record for financial disaster in the U.S. tends to stem from deregulation rather than over regulation. California is still suffering the effects of energy deregulation that allowed predation of what has now become a basic necessity, much like healthcare. The only oversite we have in healthcare now is pharmecutical company backed FDA commitees. What kind of oversite is that? The problems with medicare isn't the way the system is run or that we spend too much money on it, that's all smoke and mirrors. If you want to compare what government run operations accomplish versus privatization, just look at the mess in Iraq. Of course it took a stupid government decision to get us in there in the first place, but the privatization of the occupation without oversite is costing a billion dollars per day. Imagine what that money could do being plugged into healthcare. Now we are going to bail out financial institutions that made ludicrously poor decisions in a housing boom.                  RAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I need to stop.
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Tapfret
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Joined: August 12 2007
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Posted: September 29 2008 at 14:26 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Well, good thing you're not an WN in Antarctica. I'd be terribly worried about you boobies freezing off.
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You should probably not worry to much anyway, dudes don't have boobies. At least not traditionally.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 29 2008 at 14:47 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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el böthy
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Joined: April 27 2005
Location: Argentina
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Points: 6336
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Posted: October 02 2008 at 16:42 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
You know, I was just taking a shower and the case of John Wayne Bobbit came to mind. His was successfully reattached after his wife cut it off and tossed in a field somewhere. From what I understand it's fully functional.
Maybe a transplant is an option. That would really be weird to lose your penis and wind up with another man's.
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Not only that the guy went into porn! True story!
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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E-Dub
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Joined: February 24 2006
Location: Elkhorn, WI
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Posted: October 02 2008 at 20:38 |
Come on, guys. This is nothing to lose your head over.  E
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 02 2008 at 20:49 |
^ I agree with EDub, in fact this whole thing is hard to swallow
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Tapfret
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Posted: October 04 2008 at 17:19 |
It does sort of have a "Weekly World News" feel to it. If its true, its a good thing its a civil and not a criminal trial. I mean really, how bad would it be to have a hung jury?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 04 2008 at 21:24 |
Jeeze, could someone please cut off this thread?
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mystic fred
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Posted: October 05 2008 at 08:52 |
he'll need to take an umbrella with him when he has a pee...
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The Doctor
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Posted: October 05 2008 at 10:46 |
Somebody really got the shaft here. But everyone should take a tip from this. Never trust anyone to put a sharp object near your party prize; insist on witnesses being present if you must have surgery down there.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 05 2008 at 11:51 |
This thread should probably be moved to Just For Fun, but since so many of us guys cringe at the thought of losing our willies fat chance that will happen...
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