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Philéas
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 09:30 |
Wooten wins this easily. His skills are utterly amazing.
Edited by Philéas - November 28 2006 at 09:30
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echocharlie
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 11:31 |
Victor Wooten is all well and good. However, I'd like to know what his fans think of ALAIN CARON. Furthermore, for any Wooten fans who are somehow unfamiliar with Alain: please do yourself a favor and check him out thoroughly.
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Peter
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 12:36 |
Squire is good.
Wooten is a MONSTER -- phenomenally good!
VW is easily the best, jaw-droppingly great bassist I've ever seen live!
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Peter
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 12:37 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Dennis
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 13:02 |
Sorry, none of the above, although Wooten certainly makes Squire a bore. Jannick Top gets my vote. The bass playing on Magma's "De Futura" has blown me away like no other bassist has. It is technically incredible, besides being bombastic!
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echocharlie
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 14:05 |
Er, that's a job for his doctor -- or his wife!
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proghairfunk
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 14:13 |
The most important part of being an impressive bass player is knowing your place in a band. This doesn't always mean playing crazy things, more so catchy riffs that get stuck in your head. So my vote goes to Chris Squire. See Long Distance Runaround for proof.
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Philéas
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 14:31 |
I'll take the chance to recommend the Belgian Jazz band Aka Moon
(listen on this site actually). Their bassist is very talented aswell
(not to mention their drummer, he's insanely good).
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yarstruly
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 14:35 |
OK...maybe Wooten is more technical (don't really know his work, but do know his reputation).....HOWEVER, is technical skill really the most important thing when it comes to music? Sure, I'd like a high enough level to be able to play some great, and interesting music, but when technique overrides musicality, I lose interest. When I was younger (as a music major in college 20 years ago), I was more impressed by pure technical ability than I am now....These days its more like "OK...thats cool, but does it MOVE me, musically".....I may get flamed for quoting Gene Simmons here, but I think he had a point when he said something like watching a guitarist that is all technique is as about as entertaining as watching a typist type! I appreciate the ability that a technical player may have, but if the music doesn't touch my soul, then I just don't get into it.....
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Philéas
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 15:28 |
This poll is not about discussing wheter technique is the most important thing in music or not.
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sleeper
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 15:53 |
I'm not a fan of Wooten as I havnt heard much but the very little that I have heard marks him out as an unbalivably skilled performer. Whether he's a beter player isnt the point here.
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fuxi
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 15:57 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
smithers wrote:
Never heard of victor wooten. How good can he be if I've never herad of him in my life |
He is one of the premier bassists in the jazz rock/fusion world.His body of work alone is mind-blowing.
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Goodness gracious! Can you please give some examples? I though I knew about jazz rock, but I too have never heard of Wooten! (It makes me cry until I'm hootin'! Can't you see I'll need comfootin'?)
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Visitor13
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 15:58 |
Sasquamo wrote:
Please base this purely on technical skill. |
Just making sure it sinks in.
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markosherrera
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 16:54 |
i prefer the music of squire .but the styles are different,there are many skilled bassist in jazz and jazzfusion,like stanley clarke ,Marcus Miller,ron carter,jeff berlin,jaco pastorius(rip),eddie gomez etc etc....
Edited by markosherrera - December 14 2006 at 19:58
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1800iareyay
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 18:04 |
proghairfunk wrote:
The most important part of being an impressive bass player is knowing your place in a band. This doesn't always mean playing crazy things, more so catchy riffs that get stuck in your head. |
That's true, but this poll is based on technical skill, so Wooten wins easily, though if I was making a list of greatest bassists, Chris would trump him for his feel, influence, and considerable technical skill (though not as considerable as Victor)
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OldFatherThames
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 19:09 |
echocharlie wrote:
Victor Wooten is all well and good. However, I'd like to know what his fans think of ALAIN CARON. Furthermore, for any Wooten fans who are somehow unfamiliar with Alain: please do yourself a favor and check him out thoroughly. |
I know some of Wooten work, and he's awesome...but I'm not of fan of his style.
Alain Caron is the man. Along with Pastorius, he's the most amazing bass player ever IMO. I have some of his solo and on albums with Uzeb. Mindblowing !
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AcostaFulano
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 19:55 |
MMmmm So...
Altough I prefer Chris' compositions rather than wooten's, I think technically speaking there's no thing he could play that Victor Could not.
On the other hand, I can't imagine Squier being able to play the Classical Thump, for example.
So my vote, based on technique, goes to wooten
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smithers
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 20:36 |
What era is this wooten guy? I thought I would have heard of him if he was 70s fusion. I'm assuming he's 80s or 90s because alot of people in here are not a fan of his music and you wouldn't expect that about 70s fusion from a prog fan. The best bass player is a combination of most talented and best bass lines and best improvisation and song writing and who contributes to the most interesting music. I've never heard Wooten, but talent doesn't mean much if someone doesn't play exciting and interesting music. So judging by the comments it sounds like Squire is the better bass player.
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Arrrghus
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 20:43 |
smithers wrote:
What era is this wooten guy? I thought I would have heard of him if he was 70s fusion. I'm assuming he's 80s or 90s because alot of people in here are not a fan of his music and you wouldn't expect that about 70s fusion from a prog fan. The best bass player is a combination of most talented and best bass lines and best improvisation and song writing and who contributes to the most interesting music. I've never heard Wooten, but talent doesn't mean much if someone doesn't play exciting and interesting music. So judging by the comments it sounds like Squire is the better bass player. |
THIS IS NOT POLL ON WHO IS BETTER!!!!
It's a poll on who is more technically skilled. It doesn't matter how good Squire's songwriting is; Wooten is far more technically advanced.
You should also know that some of the best players out there you have probably never heard.
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Camel_APPeal
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 21:14 |
smithers wrote:
What era is this wooten guy? I thought I would have heard of him if he was 70s fusion. I'm assuming he's 80s or 90s because alot of people in here are not a fan of his music and you wouldn't expect that about 70s fusion from a prog fan. |
OK, you're assuming this one right. He's the bass player of Bèla Fleck and the Flecktones, they started circa the late 80's and continue touring and making music. They're not considered prog, but I think the concept of that band is quite progressive.
smithers wrote:
The best bass player is a combination of most talented and best bass lines and best improvisation and song writing and who contributes to the most interesting music. |
Victor Wooten released an album where all the tracks are just one track of bass (without bass overdubs) with some vocals; I'd call that interesting; some may find it jaw-droping, some may find it boring. The album is called A Show Of Hands.
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So judging by the comments it sounds like Squire is the better bass player. |
So you make a musical judgement based on comments rather than listening to the music itself?
I'm not trying to convert you to Wooten, that's your choice; I just invite you to listen to the music before making a "judgement":
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