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Asyte2c00

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:22

tardis wrote:

Asyte2c00 wrote:

PROG IS PROG.

NON PROG IS NON PROG.

And Prog Related is Prog Related.

Using the Transitive Property

A=B

B=C

THEN

A=C

___________________________________

Prog-Related=Rock (Classic Rock )

AND

Rock (Classic Rock)= Non-Prog

THEN

Prog Related=Non Prog

PWNED.

tardis

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:24

TheProgtologist wrote:

And so it begins....

LZ was added because it is the wishes of the owners of this site that they be added.

Pay attention to their classification please.They are here as Prog Related,which does NOT mean they are prog,but that they had a hand in influencing the development of progressive rock.

Is that clear?

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:25

It's going to be great seeing hundreds of Led Zeppelin reviews in the next few weeks - after all, they're such an obscure act that it's not like the average progarchives member is already more than familiar with their output... Sleepy

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:38

I'm sure you all groan about this, but you have to face the fact - this opens up the door for a sh*tstorm of bands that should be so gloriously labeled, "Prog-Related." I'm sure I'll be spat upon for saying this, but couldn't hundreds upon thousands of bands be considered "Prog-Related"?

Before it seemed like the members of that category were limited to bands that did produce some proggy stuff - but Led Zeppelin is full-fledged rock. There's no denying it! Sure they did smart acoustic pieces, country-influenced songs, and pretty ballads... but so does every rock band! It seems Led Zeppelin have been included because, "Dude, they're Led Zeppelin!"

If you open your arms wide to that band, then why not The Who?! They actually created bleedin' rock operas, which are more "Prog-Related" than Zep's work.

Whatever, I guess there's no point in complaining - it's not like it'll effect me life in any huge way. More important things in life at the moment... Like tomorrow! Food & Football Day! Hurray!

The Who is Prog-Related too! Hehe. Give the guys some love.

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:42

Excuse me, there's this album by Herbie Hancock called Headhunter's, and it's an awesome album, I really like it. It's totally prog, I mean, the songs are all long and...

OK, fine, it actually has nothing to do with prog, but can we stick it in jazz fusion because I really really really want to see it on this site? If it helps I'll have everyone sign a petition of how awesome it is, then it will have to be added because everyone will be angry if it isn't.

Asyte2c00

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:46

tardis wrote:

Is that clear?

Noted!

I have been spearheading an effort to add Shoegazer bands

to PA who have had a much more profound influence on

progressive rock than Led Zeppelin and my appeals continue

to be ignored by members of PA.

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As for the Transative Poperty post,

I am reinforcing an already established opinion to a

suprisingly large number of uninformed members on Prog

Archives.com

Those who advocated the

inclusion of Led Zeppelin are deluded from the

purpose and role Prog-Related plays on this site.

Edited by Asyte2c00 - November 22 2006 at 17:01

Frasse

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:51

Aah, this reminds me of the good ol' days when Queen was added.

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:14

I could care less. They're the greatest heavy rock band of all time, regardless of their placement in the Progarchives.

Edited by The Wizard - November 22 2006 at 18:19

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:19

Well, I for one am very pleased that they have been added. They were extremely influential to many of the greatest prog bands on this site. Without Led Zeppelin, many of our prog greats would not be.

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:21

And now, the three greatest drummers ever are on this site.

Uroboros

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:24

Somebody please explain how Led Zeppelin have influenced the prog movement, cause I'm really confused here. I love their music, but how exactly are they related to a whole different genre? I don't care much about these inclusions, at least knowing they don't affect my understanding of music, but I'm really curious about the judgement sustaining their addition to the site. I'd like some relevant examples of their influence in the work of prog bands. That's all.

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Uroboros

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:26

rushaholic wrote:

And now, the three greatest drummers ever are on this site.

No, Virgil Donati is still not here.

Not with his solo works that is.

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Asyte2c00

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:29

rushaholic wrote:

And now, the three greatest drummers ever are on this site.

If you are referring to

Billy Cobham

Neil Peart

and Bill Bruford

Yeah, they have all been here for a long time now

martinn

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:38

Yay

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:53

The floodgates have been opened. Just how or when can they be shut before Progarchives becomes more aptly named Rockarchives? They were, if I recall correctly,first "cracked" with the inclusion of Queen on this website. I never understood it then and still cannot understand how freddy mercury and the band can be considered Prog or even Prog-related! And now Led Zeppelin. I was raised on The Mighty Zep, still enjoy their music, but I cannot, even remotely,understand how they ended up on this site. If Zep, then why not Sabbath? It them, why not the Stones? ( Their Satanic Majesty's Request is far greater of a Prog or Prog-related effort then anything Zep or Queen ever attempted!).. One can seek to justify the addition of these bands, yet We are all trying to explain away what has already happened.The integration of our beloved Prog with mainstream rock. And if it must be so,,, I WANT JEFF BECK NEXT!!!!!

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:58

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:02

Uroboros wrote:

Somebody please explain how Led Zeppelin have influenced the prog movement, cause I'm really confused here. I love their music, but how exactly are they related to a whole different genre? I don't care much about these inclusions, at least knowing they don't affect my understanding of music, but I'm really curious about the judgement sustaining their addition to the site. I'd like some relevant examples of their influence in the work of prog bands. That's all.

Rush for starters.

I also think Genesis, eg the stairway to heavan bit in Supper's Ready, also the pauses in a lot of Genesis songs eg Get em out by Friday, is very similar to the pauses in Led Zep songs.

The fantasy themes in their songs eg Ramble On.

Edited by Cheesecakemouse - November 22 2006 at 18:03

richardh

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:08

I'd be interested in the answer to that as well.

Cheesecakemouse View Drop Down

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:08

OpethGuitarist wrote:

I think what I find most interesting is the timing of all of this, right before Thanksgiving so fewer people see it.

Strange how everything is run.

Thanksgiving is onle in the USA mate, the rest of the world doesn't have it, so no the timing isn';t suspicious.

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Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:10

Cheesecakemouse,you are obviously aware of this thread...so why the other one?

Other deleted...wrong location & subject repetition.

No more seperate Zep threads please....