Led Zeppelin?
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Topic: Led Zeppelin?
Posted By: Evans
Subject: Led Zeppelin?
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:43
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I suppose this has already been beaten to death, (since it at least has to be a half-hour old news, hehe..) but i didn't see any thread about it, so... since when is led zeppelin on the site? Not that i midn or anything, but... i thought it was decided that they weren't gonna be here, period? :) |
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:44
CONTRATULATIONS .......about time too ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:44
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They were added today, owing to a good part of the site in favour of their addition and admin MAX"s support... The main reason being their influence on Prog bands and an abundance of prog elements in their music. ------------- sig |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:45
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And so it begins....
LZ was added because it is the wishes of the owners of this site that they be added. Pay attention to their classification please.They are here as Prog Related,which does NOT mean they are prog,but that they had a hand in influencing the development of progressive rock. -------------  |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:49
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Now let's hope they'll add GOLDEN EARRING ------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:50
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No. i know, i think that they might actually deserve a place in "related", i was just so surprised to see them. And even more surprised that i couldn't find a topic on it already, haha.. |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:50
Oh, what the heck. Just for the sake of argument (er., 'conversation'), wouldn't that by definition make them Proto-prog? "Rock Bands in existence prior to 1969 that influenced the development of progressive rock." ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
TheProgtologist wrote:Posted By: thecool
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:50
| no way not golden earring! they suck! |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:50
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And so it begins...
------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:52
You've just answered your own question.  ------------- sig |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:56
Put on the helmets. Remember people prog related is not prog. ------------- 
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:58
I know. They were formed and recorded their first album in 1968, and it was released in January 1969. 
------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 15:59
Yes but you also don't see U2 or Green Day being added. If that's the case, it should just be called Rock would make that classification correct And so it begins... ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:04
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What The Fvck!! Jaco Pastorius
Japan
Grateful Dead
Lothar and the Hand People
Aphex Twin
Cocteau Twins
^Pute these bands/artsist in first. I sent the material for Japan's inclusion
to PA using the band submission procedure posted in another thread.
Zeppelin. Good band. have everything by them. Not for PA though.
BUT THIS is PROGARCHIVES.COM
NOT LETS ADD MORE NON-PROG BANDS TO THE SITE SO IT WILL
BOLSTER WEB HITS AND APPEAL TO A LARGER AUDIANCE.
PROG IS PROG.
NON PROG IS NON PROG.
WHAT IS GOING ON?
Prioritize!!!
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:05
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:07
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YEEEAH !! THE MIGHTY ZEP IS HERE !!  THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!! (I'll start reviewing right now!) THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU !!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Barla/?chartstyle=LastfmMyspace">  
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:10
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I think what I find most interesting is the timing of all of this, right before Thanksgiving so fewer people see it. Strange how everything is run. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: enteredwinter
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:15
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I don't have a problem with Zeppelin being here, although we may be headed on a nasty slippery slope where some really questionable bands get added. Hopefully that's not the case. With bands like Zeppelin and Iron Maiden being added though, Black Sabbath seems to stand out like a sore thumb (in my mind) as in example of "why not them too?" Sabbath was clearly very important in the evolutionary cascade of early 70's metal -> new-wave-of-british-heavy-metal -> 80's thrash -> prog-metal. And remember, as is always important in these discussions, I'm arguing that they are prog-related and therefore not a prog band. |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:15
And Prog Related is Prog Related.  |
Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:17
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Whatever.
Golden earring could be added too.
I want Fläsket Brinner added.
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:22
Using the Transitive Property
A=B
B=C
THEN
A=C
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Prog-Related=Rock (Classic Rock )
AND
Rock (Classic Rock)= Non-Prog
THEN
Prog Related=Non Prog
PWNED.
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:24
Is that clear? |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:25
It's going to be great seeing hundreds of Led Zeppelin reviews in the next few weeks - after all, they're such an obscure act that it's not like the average progarchives member is already more than familiar with their output...   ------------- 
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Posted By: Freak
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:38
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I'm sure you all groan about this, but you have to face the fact - this opens up the door for a sh*tstorm of bands that should be so gloriously labeled, "Prog-Related." I'm sure I'll be spat upon for saying this, but couldn't hundreds upon thousands of bands be considered "Prog-Related"?
Before it seemed like the members of that category were limited to bands that did produce some proggy stuff - but Led Zeppelin is full-fledged rock. There's no denying it! Sure they did smart acoustic pieces, country-influenced songs, and pretty ballads... but so does every rock band! It seems Led Zeppelin have been included because, "Dude, they're Led Zeppelin!"
If you open your arms wide to that band, then why not The Who?! They actually created bleedin' rock operas, which are more "Prog-Related" than Zep's work.
Whatever, I guess there's no point in complaining - it's not like it'll effect me life in any huge way. More important things in life at the moment... Like tomorrow! Food & Football Day! Hurray!
 The Who is Prog-Related too! Hehe. Give the guys some love. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:42
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Excuse me, there's this album by Herbie Hancock called Headhunter's, and it's an awesome album, I really like it. It's totally prog, I mean, the songs are all long and... OK, fine, it actually has nothing to do with prog, but can we stick it in jazz fusion because I really really really want to see it on this site? If it helps I'll have everyone sign a petition of how awesome it is, then it will have to be added because everyone will be angry if it isn't. |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:46
Noted!
I have been spearheading an effort to add Shoegazer bands
to PA who have had a much more profound influence on
progressive rock than Led Zeppelin and my appeals continue
to be ignored by members of PA.
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As for the Transative Poperty post,
I am reinforcing an already established opinion to a
suprisingly large number of uninformed members on Prog
Archives.com
Those who advocated the
inclusion of Led Zeppelin are deluded from the
purpose and role Prog-Related plays on this site.
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Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:51
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Aah, this reminds me of the good ol' days when Queen was added.
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:14
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I could care less. They're the greatest heavy rock band of all time, regardless of their placement in the Progarchives.
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:19
Well, I for one am very pleased that they have been added. They were extremely influential to many of the greatest prog bands on this site. Without Led Zeppelin, many of our prog greats would not be.
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:21
| And now, the three greatest drummers ever are on this site. |
Posted By: Uroboros
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:24
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Somebody please explain how Led Zeppelin have influenced the prog movement, cause I'm really confused here. I love their music, but how exactly are they related to a whole different genre? I don't care much about these inclusions, at least knowing they don't affect my understanding of music, but I'm really curious about the judgement sustaining their addition to the site. I'd like some relevant examples of their influence in the work of prog bands. That's all. ------------- Tous les chemins qui s’ouvrent à moi ne mènent à rien si tu n’es plus là |
Posted By: Uroboros
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:26
No, Virgil Donati is still not here. Not with his solo works that is.------------- Tous les chemins qui s’ouvrent à moi ne mènent à rien si tu n’es plus là |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:29
If you are referring to
Billy Cobham
Neil Peart
and Bill Bruford
Yeah, they have all been here for a long time now
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Posted By: martinn
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:38
Yay
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Posted By: JesusisLord
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:53
The floodgates have been opened. Just how or when can they be shut before Progarchives becomes more aptly named Rockarchives? They were, if I recall correctly,first "cracked" with the inclusion of Queen on this website. I never understood it then and still cannot understand how freddy mercury and the band can be considered Prog or even Prog-related! And now Led Zeppelin. I was raised on The Mighty Zep, still enjoy their music, but I cannot, even remotely,understand how they ended up on this site. If Zep, then why not Sabbath? It them, why not the Stones? ( Their Satanic Majesty's Request is far greater of a Prog or Prog-related effort then anything Zep or Queen ever attempted!).. One can seek to justify the addition of these bands, yet We are all trying to explain away what has already happened.The integration of our beloved Prog with mainstream rock. And if it must be so,,, I WANT JEFF BECK NEXT!!!!!  ------------- And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11 |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:58
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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:02
Rush for starters.
I also think Genesis, eg the stairway to heavan bit in Supper's Ready, also the pauses in a lot of Genesis songs eg Get em out by Friday, is very similar to the pauses in Led Zep songs.
The fantasy themes in their songs eg Ramble On. ------------- |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:08
I'd be interested in the answer to that as well.
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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:08
Thanksgiving is onle in the USA mate, the rest of the world doesn't have it, so no the timing isn';t suspicious. ------------- |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:10
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Cheesecakemouse,you are obviously aware of this thread...so why the other one?
Other deleted...wrong location & subject repetition. No more seperate Zep threads please.... |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:10
I just answered that question!!!  ------------- |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:10
Um...Canada has it   |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:11
Yes I know, I only found out about this one after I posted the other one. ------------- |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:12
OK Canada and the USA, only 2 countries out of over 100. ------------- |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:12
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I don't really think they should be here, but it's the owner's choice, so I support it.
But just one question:
What genre of rock music didn't Led Zeppelin influence? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:13
Hip Hop and Barbershop ------------- |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:16
Bad mouse.....what happened to the hysterical over-reaction such a message usually provokes?
To everyone posting in this thread: please be objective and less predictable.... ...let's see some real explanantions as to why you dont think Zep should be here.Offering an opinion against the addition that merely says "this is bad" or " what next?" is not really constructive or useful....though I understand you need to release your frustrations somehow.... |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:20
Indeed but some are more obvious.... More bands than genres really,although it doesnt take a leap of imagination to decide that they probably influenced Prog-Metal. Given that Dream Theater are the top prog-Metal band and their number one influence is early Rush [unrefutable proof here: http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=656 - http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=656 from the mouth of a certain Mr Petrucci) and early-Rush was heavily influenced by Led Zep then what else can one deduce? |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:24
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I'll breaki it down what I think a bit (on memory alone, so I may be a bit messed on some albums I'm not too familiar with):
I : A few songs that are a bit proggy, but overall, this is a bluesy rock n roll album.
II : Even fewer prog aspects. I don't listen to it much, but I suppose this is where the influence Rush might have gathered is most prominent. A bit less blues, a bit more hard rock.
III : I can't remember much prog-relevent music here, just half good English folk tunes and half good rock tunes.
IV: Here we go. The progginess kicks in, but I would go so far as to call it any sort of prog album. "Four Sticks," "Stairway to Heaven."
Houses of the Holy : Slightly less prog aspects than IV, and a bit poppier in my mind.
Physical Graffiti : Oh yeah, lotsa prog here ("In the Light" and "Kashmir" come to mind first), but an equal amount of just plain good rock.
I'm even less familiar with Presence, though I understand it has several long songs ("Achillies Last Stand" is rather proggy) and I've got nothing for or against In through the Out Door. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:25
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I've posted "In The Light" on the player...if that doesnt convince the nay-sayers then we need to hand out hearing aids....
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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:26
I've been drinking less coffee lately  ------------- |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:29
Thats funny, I often considered HOH as their most proggy  ------------- |
Posted By: Uroboros
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:30
I'm not convinced. The first Rush album wasn't prog at all in itself. Yes, they took a lot from LZ, but I think they're actually the only classic prog band to actually draw heavy influence from early hard rock acts. They're a singular example. The other you propose are pretty vague - fantasy themes are literature-inspired and they have been used in all genres of contemporary music; Genesis were in a totally different world. I stand by my point.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some kind of conscious separation between the " educated" prog purists of the time (seventies) on the one hand and the "rest" (the hard rock audience, those who preferred a more "visceral", hard-rocking approach to music - like Led Zeppelin - than listen to the extravagant prog titans playing their pompous 23 minute epics) on the other? Thirty years later, LZ are suddenly considered a massive influence on prog artists... that's quite a long distance traveled, isn't it? ------------- Tous les chemins qui s’ouvrent à moi ne mènent à rien si tu n’es plus là |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:31
Don't go on my memory, then. The only song I can remember now is Dancing Days. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:35
I don't know if you can be black and white about audiences or categorise them in taht way, sure a lot of Zep's audience were non prog fans, but they also attracted prog fans as well. In 1970s NZ where I am from, a lot of people in the small towns thought Led Zep as weird and didn'thave the time of day for them, and they were treated with the same contempt as Yes, King Crimson and Genesis etc. A lot of prog fans in 70s NZ were also Zep fans. I guess it depends where you are from, but definately prog related where I am from. ------------- |
Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:43
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I love LZ but I don't need them on here. I'm am going to crawl up into a ball, suck my thumb and cry like a rosy-cheeked sorority girl in prison as soon as I read the first review where some "Almost Famous" wannabe extols the virtues of Stairway To Heaven. But I am certainly not going to beef with the powers that be and the decision they made. I come here to learn about the undiscovered but I suppose there is a small percentage of people that have yet to discover Led Zeppelin ------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:45
Here, here Mouse - Led Zeppelin were not too well received until "Stairway" hit the airwaves - then the group became popular with a broader rock music audience. I am pleased to see them acknowledged on PA. I think they have a wide influence not just on prog bands but on rock music in general. Their musical influence is similar to the Beatles I think - not really specific but enough to make them legendary to many rock bands and musicians to this day ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:47
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I love that movie! Led Zeppelin are amazing. They deserve all the praise they get and they were just as interesting as many prog acts. So just live it. -------------
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:48
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: floydisgod
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 19:11
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I like the inclusion of Led Zeppelin due to their influence... I think PA should keep an inclusive attitude towards great bands that have influenced prog rock bands. Possibly The Who (for popularizing concept albums), The Doors (proto-prog), and Jimi Hendrix Experience (though not as much as the other two) for future consideration??? ------------- 
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Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 19:13
Kashmir prog? you mean the same song that goes like this for about 12 minutes or so... DUN DUN DUN... DUN DUN DUN... DUN DUN DUN... DUN DUN DUN... DUN DUN DUN... DUN DUN DUN... DUN DUN DUN... prog at its finest ------------- 
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 19:31
You'll never understand, Hierophant, prog doesn't have to be complex, lots of prog repeats itself, like, uh, krautrock, and...nothing else I guess, but the bottom line is, Led Zeppelin is definitely a prog band because it's awesome and I love it. (I'm being sarcastic, of course, Kashmir is one of the worst, most boring songs to disgrace my ears.) |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 19:53
No they don't!
And even if they did,that shouldn't stop them from being included here.
If Led Zeppelin,Uriah Heep,Iron Maiden,Wishbone Ash,Queen,ect....are on PA so should GOLDEN EARRING!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 19:56
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Flasket Brinner Tumulto Bandolero Fifty foot Hose GOLDEN EARRING THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN PA! GOLDEN ARRING GOLDEN EARRING GOLDEN EARRING!!!!!!!!------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 20:11
We barely get "thank you" when we add prog bands to the site, but when one prog related or proto-prog band is added then we get flamed for it.  The special collabs are adding prog bands every week. Celebrate those addition instead of doing the opposite for non prog bands. -------------
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 20:18
Exactly. Has anyone noticed the following additions: Brèche Frohmader, Peter God Is An Astronaut Extrovert L'Engoulevent Egyptian Kings Kin Ping Meh Octopus (Chi) Decibel Set Fire To Flames Eider Stellaire Aquelarre And many more... And more to come... (from me especially French bands mainly rooted in the RIO/Avant/Zeuhl field, but not only). ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 20:19
Yes!
In a couple of days SCs will add a new US prog band that released their 1st album now in 2006. Apparently all agreed they're real prog and there's also a healthy dispute to see if they go to the Symphonic or Art-Rock genres. Wait and see, fellows! ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 20:21
Are you refering to my new protege, Guigo? If so, then yes!!! instead of fighting over this, go listen to one of this year's highlights in the form of Baltimore based - Deluge Grander. I hope to add them asap. ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 20:23
THANKYOU!!!  |
Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 20:24
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Chamberry, you are right. I deal with it all the time in my job. Do one hundred things right and noteworthy and not hear a peep, but do something wrong and all the sudden you have issues. Not that adding LZ is wrong. Hopefully people gripe in a constructive manner. But of course, the collabs had to know this was coming. It had to be quite a process to even get them added and I'm sure there was nowhere near a consensus. I hope I speak for others by saying thank you to the people who do the heavy lifting behind the scenes, not for money, but for the love of the music. ------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 20:25
A big "THANK-YOU" special collabs for adding Led Zeppelin -
- I know many arehappy with their inclusion, including myself. Well done!! -------------
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 20:29
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Yeah, Led Zep rawks, and anyone who doesn't think so has a different opinion than I do! ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 20:44
You are all very welcomed. And I hope everyone could enjoy the other 2,556 bands in the database. 
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 20:45
Oops...funny how those get neglected... |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 20:47
Ha-ha! Silly fool! There is no band but Led Zeppelin! ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 20:50
You betrayed the singular, absurdly fantastically egotistically-driven existence of the farcical Moody Noobs!  Now they'll never let you back in! |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 21:35
Agreed!
All additions I agree with,the more we have to choose from,the better.
I never flame no one for adding bands,but for not adding!
 Anyway this band deseves it,big time:Golden Earring
------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 22:34
 ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 22:36
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I would say: let's add everything our readers and contributors think is prog... a good percentage of them I mean (off course, if some PA member thinks Papa Roach is prog, we have to stop him)....
But when a lot of PA readers and, therefore, Prog-fans, agree something is prog, that should be enough...
I think with Zeppelin justice has been made... And I DON'T like Zeppelin... But I respect them, and I know they were influential....
Now is time for Manzarek....
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Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 22:48
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Hi,
I think most if not all bands on PA deserves to be in.
But I firmly believe that Golden Earring should be in.Most of their albums recorded between 1968 and 1977,were either 100% prog or had a lot of prog elements on.
Long tracks,keys,organ,synth,sax,flute,ect...not to mention Supersister's keyboardist Robert Stips with them for a few albums.
Lots of complicated elements,guitar and keys intertwined with some flute and sax.
People remembers them for their 2 hits Radar Love and Twilight Zone,but there is much more to them then those 2 simple songs,well not that simple actually.
So please bring GOLDEN EARRING to PA! ------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 03:23
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Metallica next - there can be NO denying their influence on Prog metal.
And then Judas Priest for the same reason. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 03:28
Why not the Sex Pistols while your at it ------------- |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 03:33
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Name me ten Zeppelin prog tracks ...
C'm on !!!! Dare ya to......
Yup , Thought so! ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 03:41
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"No quarter" is their most progressive track. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 03:42
Good point - their influence on Prog Rock is legendary ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 03:45
Stairway to heavan, Kasmir, Whole Lotta Love, No Quater, Over the hills and far away, Four Sticks, In the Light, Achilles Last Stand, Dazed and Confused, How Many more times, the Battle of Evermore,
Thats about 11 I can think of for now although HOH and Physical Graffitti have other prog moments. ------------- |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 03:49
The different with Zep and those bands, are Zeps fantasy lyrics, their massive innovations Zep did have a lot of electiscism in their music mixing many styles of classical music, rock, blues, country, celtic folk. Metellica does not have these elements.Zep branched out and experimenting in different styles just like other prog bands. ------------- |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 04:06
Those are but elements - nothing more. Metallica had other elements - including the crucial ones that have found their way into "mainstream" Prog Metal. Metallica's innovations are hugely underestimated - the they brought together different styles of metal under a new banner, forging and spearheading an entirely new genre in the process that was very different to anything that had gone before (Led Zep did NOT do this, they merely progressed existing genres) - and then progressively built upon those innovations over successive albums by experimenting with different styles - just like other prog bands. Metallica also had fantasy lyrics - Phantom Lord, The Four Horsemen, The Call of Cthulu, Creeping Death, For Whom the Bell Tolls... the list goes on and on. And there can be NO denying their influence on Prog metal - did I already say that?
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 04:11
Sorry only six, here!!! You might have forgotten Rain song and one on III, but you will not find 10
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 04:33
Yes would probably never have survived had it not been for Page joining Squire and White for XYZ....well at least that's a try
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 04:54
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I hear elements of Led Zeppelin in The Mars Volta and hear Page sounding riffs here and there in a few prog bands. I recently listened to Camel's debut and thought some of the riffs were influenced by Page. I always thought Page and Howe had very similar sounding guitars, but don't know if Page actually influenced Howe. Page even sort of replaced Howe for the XYZ project.
I suppose I'm arguing that LZ is proto-prog...
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 04:58
i don't think talents like Squire and White needed anybody to help them out...Page was just a push, maybe just "accelerated" their progress...it's like saying that Page or Beck or Clapton needed Yardbirds... i don't think so... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 06:14
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i must have been asleep yesterday, LED ZEPPELIN are here at last! i knew they'd get here eventually, there has been much discussion, but all i got to say is
yeah!
a worthy PROG RELATED inclusion
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Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 06:29
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Carrouselambra is PROG.
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 08:21
Four Stick is prog. Over The Hills And Far Away is prog. The Crunge. Carouselambra. That's ten. I'm gonna Crawl... That's eleven. Want more? Now, your turn. Name ten Asia prog tracks? Oh, of course you can. Now compare them to Zeppelin tracks. Which band is more progressive? But that's pointless. Peace ------------- |
Posted By: pero
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 08:26
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Houses of the holly is more prog than any other Zep album. Another close to prog is Physical graffiti.
First 3 albums are pure rock.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 08:29
. Boring and repetitive. Like the rest of the album
ITTOD is not a real Zep record anyway. page had little if anything to do with it. this is a JP Jones record. and not a good one, either. Only In The Evening is comparing with fillers of PG or Presence.
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wins easy, but not in proggynessPosted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 09:04
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I'll be short. I think that, out of a long line of additions, with their controversies, Led Zeppelin can be among the most entitled ones to an addition and to a place here. But the Prog-Related subject has lost its temper. Just mind that, by Led Zep, the gates towards Hard Rock have just widened badly.  ------------- 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 09:14
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This was an inclusion I wasn't in favour of. I'm not going to get into a chest beating frenzy about it, and at the end of the day, the owners supported their inclusion, but in principle, I feel Sean is EXACTLY right.
There are so few prog songs in Zeppelin's catalogue. 'No Quarter', 'The Song Remains The Same', 'The Rain Song', 'In The Light', 'Stairway To Heaven', 'Achilles Last Stand'...and that's it, imho. How on earth are the funk pastiche 'The Crunge', the blues rock of 'Whole Lotta Love' and the folk rock of 'Over The Hills and Far Away' prog?? I just cannot see it. Not one album is a prog album, and in fact those songs wouldn't make an album on their own- not enough. Their inclusion will mean all manner of heavy rock/metal bands are now proposed, and we lose focus of what we should really be concentrating on- proper prog. I think the 'prog related' concept is now completely exhausted- please leave it how it stands and leave off from further additions, before credibility will be completely strained, imo. And the Asia argument isn't valid at all, I'm afraid. I think some people have only ever heard the debut. The Payne era, while hardly progressive rock, is certainly prog related in the same way Styx, Magnum etc are. All of those albums with the exception of 'Aqua', really, had a better mixture of melodic rock and prog, and a fuller sound. And at least Asia had the benefit of having the members they did have, though that's not an argument I ever use, it's easy to see why they are here. |
Posted By: akin
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 10:25
I think the owners of the site knows more what the site wants than you. |