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Debuts
1. In the Court of the Crimson King
2. The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
3. This Was
4. Yes
5. From Genesis to Revelation

Seconds
1. Stand Up
2. In the Wake of Poseidon
3. Trespass
4. A Saucerful of Secrets
5. Time and a Word

Thirds
1. The Yes Album
2. Benefit
3. Lizard
4. Nursery Cryme
5. More

Fourths
1. Aqualung
2. Foxtrot
3. Fragile
4. Islands
5. Ummagumma

Fifths
1. Close to the Edge
2. Thick as a Brick
3. Selling England by the Pound
4. Larks' Tongues in Aspic
5. Atom Heart Mother

Sixths
1. Meddle
2. Starless and Bible Black
3. A Passion Play
4. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
5. Tales From Topographic Oceans

Sevenths
1. A Trick of the Tail
2. Red
3. War Child
4. Relayer
5. Obscured by Clouds

Eighths
1. The Dark Side of the Moon
2. Minstrel in the Gallery
3. Going for the One
4. Wind & Wuthering
5. Discipline

Ninths
1. Wish You Were Here
2. ...And Then There Were Three...
3. Beat
4. Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die!
5. Tormato

Tenths
1. Songs From the Wood
2. Animals
3. Duke
4. Three of a Perfect Pair
5. Drama

Elevenths
1. The Wall
2. Heavy Horses
3. THRAK
4. Abacab
5. 90125

Twelfths
1.  Jethro Tull - Stormwatch
2.  Pink Floyd - The Final Cut
3.  YES - Big Generator
4.  Genesis - Genesis
5.  King Crimson - The ConstruKction of Light
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Fifths
Selling England by the Pound
Close to the Edge
Atom Heart Mother
Thick as a Brick
Larks' Tongues in Aspic


Sixths
Meddle
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Tales From Topographic Oceans
 A Passion Play
Starless and Bible Black

Sevenths
A Trick of the Tail
Red
Obscured by Clouds
Relayer
War Child

Eighths
The Dark Side of the Moon
Wind & Wuthering
Minstrel in the Gallery
Going for the One
Discipline

Ninths
Wish You Were Here
 ...And Then There Were Three...
Beat
Tormato
Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die!

Tenths
Animals
Drama
Duke
Songs From the Wood
Three of a Perfect Pair






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6 X 6 Classic Prog Favourites:- Barclay James Harvest; Camel; Caravan; The Moody Blues; Procol Harum; & Renaissance (studio albums only)

FIRSTS
1.  The Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed
2.  Procol Harum - Procol Harum
3.  Renaissance - Renaissance
4.  Camel - Camel
5.  Caravan - Caravan
6.  Barclay James Harvest - Barclay James Harvest
SECONDS
1.  Camel - Mirage
2.  The Moody Blues - In Search of the Lost Chord
3.  Barclay James Harvest - Once Again
4.  Caravan - If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You
5.  Procol Harum - Shine on Brightly
6.  Renaissance - Illusion
THIRDS
1.  Renaissance - Prologue
2.  Barclay James Harvest - Barclay James Harvest and Other Short Stories 
3.  The Moody Blues - On the Threshold of a Dream
4.  Caravan - In the Land of Pink and Grey
5.  Camel - The Snow Goose
6.  Procol Harum - A Salty Dog 
FOURTHS
1.  Camel - Moonmadness
2.  Renaissance - Ashes Are Burning
3.  The Moody Blues - To Our Children's Children's Children
4.  Barclay James Harvest - Baby James Harvest 
5.  Procol Harum - Home
6.  Caravan - Waterloo Lily
FIFTHS
1.  Renaissance  - Turn of The Cards
2.  Camel - Rain Dances
3.  The Moody Blues - A Question of Balance
4.  Caravan - For Girls Who Grow Plump in the Night
5.  Barclay James Harvest - Everyone is Everybody Else
6.  Procol Harum - Broken Barricades
SIXTHS
1.  Renaissance - Scheherazade and Other Stories
2.  The Moody Blues - Every Good Boy Deserves a Favour
3.  Barclay James Harvest - Time Honoured Ghosts
4.  Camel - Breathless
5.  Caravan - Cunning Stunts
6.  Procol Harum - Grand Hotel
SEVENTHS
1.  Renaissance - Novella
2.  The Moody Blues - Seventh Sojourn
3.  Camel - I Can See Your House from Here
4.  Barclay James Harvest - Octoberon
5.  Procol Harum - Exotic Birds & Fruit
6.  Caravan - Blind Dog at St. Dunstans
EIGHTHS
1.  Renaissance - A Song for All Seasons
2.  Camel - Nude
3.  Barclay James Harvest - Gone to Earth
4.  The Moody Blues - Octave
5.  Caravan - Better by Far
6.  Procol Harum - Procol's Ninth
NINTHS
1.  The Moody Blues - Long Distance Voyager
2.  Renaissance - Azure d'Or
3.  Procol Harum - Something Magic
4.  Barclay James Harvest - Eyes of the Universe
5.  Camel - The Single Factor
6.  Caravan - The Album
TENTHS
1.  Camel - Stationary Traveller
2.  The Moody Blues - The Present
3.  Procol Harum - The Prodigal Stranger
4.  Barclay James Harvest - Turn of the Tide
5.  Renaissance - Camera Camera
6.  Caravan - Back to Front
ELEVENSES
1.  Procol Harum - The Long Goodbye
2.  Camel - Dust and Dreams
3.  Barclay James Harvest - Ring of Changes
4.  The Moody Blues - The Other Side of Life
5.  Caravan - Cool Water
6.  Renaissance - Time-Line
TWELVES
1.  Renaissance - Tuscany
2.  Camel - Harbour of Tears
3.  Procol Harum - The Well's on Fire
4.  Caravan - The Battle of Hastings
5.  The Moody Blues - Sur la Mer
6.  Barclay James Harvest - Victims of Circumstance

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FIRSTS

1. The Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed
2. Camel - Camel
3. Caravan - Caravan
4. Barclay James Harvest - Barclay James Harvest

SECONDS

1. Camel - Mirage
2. The Moody Blues - In Search of the Lost Chord
3. Barclay James Harvest - Once Again
4. Caravan - If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You

THIRDS

2. Caravan - In the Land of Pink and Grey
1. Camel - The Snow Goose
3. Procol Harum - A Salty Dog

FOURTHS

1. Camel - Moonmadness
2. Barclay James Harvest - Baby James Harvest
3. Procol Harum - Home

FIFTHS

1. Camel - Rain Dances
2. Caravan - For Girls Who Grow Plump in the Night
3. Barclay James Harvest - Everyone is Everybody Else
4. Procol Harum - Broken Barricades

SIXTHS

1. Barclay James Harvest - Time Honoured Ghosts
2.. Camel - Breathless
4.. Caravan - Cunning Stunts
3. Procol Harum - Grand Hotel

SEVENTHS


1. Barclay James Harvest - Octoberon
2. Camel I can see your house from heer
3. Procol Harum - Exotic Birds & Fruits
4. Caravan - Blind Dog at St. Dunstans

EIGHTHS

2. Camel - Nude
1. Barclay James Harvest - Gone to Earth

NINTHS


2. Barclay James Harvest - Eyes of the Universe
1. Camel - The Single Factor

TENTHS

1. Camel - Stationary Traveller

ELEVENSES

1. Camel - Dust and Dreams

TWELVES

1 Camel - Harbour of Tears

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Awesome to see people coming up with others for lists, and yes, I don;t take the exercise very seriously, but for me it's a fun and strangely rewarding challenge. List-making helps me re-focus.   It;s quite like meditation for me, only not. :)   That is the way I at first wanted to do it and should have stuck with the plan. I will try one with Caravan and Camel later (two serious classics) but wanted to do an artist one. While all of these were making albums in the 70s up, it is not a classic Prog list like the other two I presented. It's Bowie, Bush, Hammill and Wyatt. I then thought of adding Peter Gabriel, doofus (sp?) forgetting, but I am running late.

Debuts:
1. The Kick Inside (Kate Bush)
2. Fool's Mate (Peter Hammill)
3. The End of an Ear (Robert Wyatt)
4. David Bowie (David Bowie)
Seconds:
1. Rock Bottom (Robert Wyatt)
2. Chameleon in the Shadow of the Night (Peter Hammill)
3. Lionheart (Kate Bush)
4. Space Oddity (David Bowie)
Thirds:
1. The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage (Peter Hammill)
2. The Man Who Sold the World (David Bowie)
3. Never for Ever (Kate Bush)
4. Ruth Is Stranger Than Richard (Robert Wyatt)
Fourths: (the hardest yet and in no way definitive)
1. Hunky Dory (David Bowie)
2. The Dreaming (Kate Bush)
3. In Camera (Peter Hammill)
4. Old Rottenhat (Robert Wyatt)
Fifths:
1. Hounds of Love (Kate Bush)
2. The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars (David Bowie)
3. Nadir's Big Chance (Peter Hammill)
4. Dondestan (Robert Wyatt)
Sixths:
1. Aladdin Sane (David Bowie)
2. Shleep (Robert Wyatt)
3. The Sensual World (Kate Bush)
4. Over (Peter Hammill
Sevenths:
1. Cuckooland (Robert Wyatt)
2. The Future Now (Peter Hammill)
3. Pinups (David Bowie)
4. The Red Shoes (Kate Bush)
Eights:
1. Aerial (Kate Bush)
2. Comicopera (Robert Wyatt)
3. pH7 (Peter Hammill)
4. Diamond Dogs (David Bowie)
Ninths:
1. A Black Box (Peter Hammill)
2. Young Americans (David Bowie)
- not heard: Director's Cut (Kate Bush)
- archival (I would not count): Radio Experiment Rome, February 1981 (Robert Wyatt)
Tenths:
1. 50 Words for Snow (Kate Bush)
2. Station to Station (David Bowie)
- not very familair with: Sitting Targets (Peter Hammill)
- collaboration not familiar with: For the Ghosts Within (Wyatt/Atzmon/Stephen)
Elevenths:
1. Low (David Bowie) (great album, imo)
- don't know: Enter K (peter Hammill)
n/a Kate Bush
don't know, don't count archival: '68 (Robert Wyatt)
Twelths:
1. 'Heroes' (David Bowie) - deserving of top spot even with no competition
- don't know: Loops and Reels (Peter Hammill)
- don't know enough and collab: KiTsuNe / Brian the Fox (The Future Eve & Robert Wyatt)
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I've looked at this thread Greg and looked again.... but I find it next to impossible to rate these albums as its continually having the greatest bands and many of the greatest albums competing against each other. I can't put them in an order because it often depends on my mood (or even phase of life!) as to which I would choose, but I'd rather not do without any of them... except for some of the later Crimson ones, maybe?

I know that probably sounds very lame, because everyone else seems to have managed it without too much trouble, but you can't ask me to choose between CttE, SEBTP & TaaB!!?? They are the best albums by all three bands!! 
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

I've looked at this thread Greg and looked again.... but I find it next to impossible to rate these albums as its continually having the greatest bands and many of the greatest albums competing against each other. I can't put them in an order because it often depends on my mood (or even phase of life!) as to which I would choose, but I'd rather not do without any of them... except for some of the later Crimson ones, maybe?

I know that probably sounds very lame, because everyone else seems to have managed it without too much trouble, but you can't ask me to choose between CttE, SEBTP & TaaB!!?? They are the best albums by all three bands!! 


I think that's mature, Jared, and you're not the only one. I recognise a kind of ridiculous futility in the exercise myself. And If Peter were still around I might get a post about making sport of art. Of course he had a good point, but I approach these from a rather different perspective. When voting in a poll or doing some like this, I tend to go with my feeling at that moment. I don't think in terms of best, more "Which of these would I most like to listen to right now?"   Or I go on a whim, or toss a mental coin. Then toss that mental coin again if I don't like the result. :lol:

At different times I would favour different ones, and what most interests me now commonly is not what would have most interested me in past years. As people we change all the time, and I choose based on the feelings of the moment at the time of choosing, not how it might have affected me yesterday, or how I liked it ten years ago etc.

I actually have been kind of surprised to pretty commonly see people write something like, "I am voting for x because it was my first favourite of these", or "It my first of these so it gets my vote." I understand the nostalgia factor, but I'm more inclined to go with ones that I fell for more recently, played most recently, or in the case of ones where I have know all for a long time, just based on my whim or mood of the time. Today I might well list those in a different order (

I'm please to see people who appreciate a variety of albums across bands and don't just go with a "favourite band" no matter what album it is up against.

I was Watching My Kitchen Rules 10 last night, an Australian program, and Manu, who is one of the food judges said something like, "I love food. And if I don't love a certain food now, I learn to love it" is response to someone with very limited tastes. I'm pleased to see the lack of band fanboyism that is apparent across lists. Mind you, those are five big name classics. If I did, say, Dream Theater and Univers Zero, then it would be more divided into factions.
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RIO / Zeuhl Big 5

Debut
Univers Zero - 1313
Henry Cow - Legend
Art Zoyd - Symphonie Pour Le Jour Ou Bruleront Les Cites
Magma - Kobaia
Samla Mammas Manna - Samla Mammas Manna

Second
Univers Zero - Heresie
Samla Mammas Manna - Maltid
Art Zoyd - Musique Pour L'Odyssee
Henry Cow - Unrest
Magma - 1001 Centrigrade

Third
Univers Zero - Ceux Du Dehors
Art Zoyd - Generation Sans Futur
Henry Cow - In Praise Of Learning
Magma - Mekanik Destrukiw Kommandoh
Samla Mammas Manna - Klossa Knapitatet

Fourth
Henry Cow - Western Culture
Art Zoyd - Phase IV
Univers Zero - Uzed
Magma - Kohntarkosz
Samla Mammas Manna - Gregory Allan Fitzpatrick's Snorungarnas Symfoni

Fifth
Univers Zero - Heatwave
Art Zoyd - Les Espaces Inquiets
Magma - Udu Wudu
Zamla Mammaz Manna - Schlagerns Mystik

Sixth
Zamla Mammaz Manna - Familjesprickor
Art Zoyd - Le Mariage Du Ciel Et De L'Enfer
Univers Zero - The Hard Quest
Magma - Attahk
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Greg: You raise a lot of interesting points there, but because of (all of) our historical attachments to the bands you initially included, it is practically impossible to keep nostalgia at bay when deciding.  SEBtP & CttE in particular are so heavily welded to the 16/17 year old Jared who thought they were 'out of this world' that they have remained at the top of the tree ever since and it would be almost impossible to dislodge them... they are fixtures and fittings of my Prog mind. 

So, on the one hand I would find it almost impossible to objectively say that in 2024 I prefer Atom Heart Mother (which I discovered when I was about 18 and realised it was a lot more interesting than 'The Final Cut'), yet on the other hand, I sometime wonder why I actually still listen to SEBtP at all... am I really listening to it? I can't say that I am, because it's probably years since I actually noticed anything new in it that I'd missed and although it will always remain in my top 3 albums of all time... do I really need to play it again? Saturation point was reached many years ago...


Edited by Jared - November 03 2024 at 13:37
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^ Thanks, Jared. That makes perfect sense to me. And there's a lot of music I still value, and know very well, so I feel no desire to ever listen to it again, at least not externally as it may pop into my head. Yes' Fragile is one of those for me. Some stuff I used to love but I played to death and now don't have fond memories. Some stuff I used to love is just not of any interest to me any longer.

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By the way, I had a go with Ian's list. I included Wurdah Itah (better thought of as a Christian Vander album) methinks in one where I included before, but like Ian, I won't here. I like all of the bands even if SMM/ZMM I have listened to less. So easy to rearrange with a template once someone has already listed the albums. I want to do one more to it. Heck, I even like Magma's Merci. And I am adding Von Zamla for the Samla Mamas Manna family. I love Von Zamla.

Debut:
1. Magma - Kobaia
2. Univers Zero - 1313
3. Henry Cow - Legend
4. Art Zoyd - Symphonie Pour le Jour Ou Bruleront les Cites
5. Samla Mammas Manna - Samla Mammas Manna
Second:
1. Univers Zero - Heresie
2. Magma - 1001 Centrigrade
3. Art Zoyd - Musique Pour l'Odyssee
4. Henry Cow - Unrest
5. Samla Mammas Manna - Maltid
Third:
1. Art Zoyd - Generation Sans Futur
2. Univers Zero - Ceux du Dehors
3. Magma - Mekanik Destrukiw Kommandoh
4. Henry Cow - In Praise of Learning
5. Samla Mammas Manna - Klossa Knapitatet
Fourth:
1. Henry Cow - Western Culture
2. Art Zoyd - Phase IV
3 Univers Zero - Uzed
4. Magma - Kohntarkosz
* not heard: Samla Mammas Manna - Gregory Allan Fitzpatrick's Snorungarnas Symfoni
Fifth:
1. Art Zoyd - Les Espaces Inquiets
2. Magma - Udu Wudu
3. Univers Zero - Heatwave
* not heard: Zamla Mammaz Manna - Schlagerns Mystik
Sixth:
1. Art Zoyd - Le Mariage du Ciel et de l'Enfer
2. Magma - Attahk
3. Zamla Mammaz Manna - Familjesprickor
4. Univers Zero - The Hard Quest
Seventh:
1. Art Zoyd - Berlin
2. Von Zamla - Zamlaranamma
3. Magma - Merci


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