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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I own 34 CD albums in PA's Top 100, but I'm not going to list them either - which makes a change for me. Tongue

I would describe myself as being 'very familiar' with 59 of them..
I've listened to 68 albums in PA's Top 100 so far. It's mostly the Italian albums and Frank Zappa I haven't listened to - at least not yet anyway. Smile
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^^ similar to me, only I'm not all that adventurous and am happy with what I like... I really don't suffer from 'FOMO' syndrome.. Smile
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I own 85 of the top 100
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

^^ similar to me, only I'm not all that adventurous and am happy with what I like... I really don't suffer from 'FOMO' syndrome.. Smile

I have no fear of missing out on Frank Zappa. Tongue
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I own 85 of the top 100

and I'm guessing the ones you don't own will mostly be the Dream Theater and Neo-Prog ones?
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Correct, the most surprising omissions are probably The Yes Album and Art Zoyd - Haxan (which I've never found a reasonable copy of)

Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - October 16 2024 at 13:57
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

^^ similar to me, only I'm not all that adventurous and am happy with what I like... I really don't suffer from 'FOMO' syndrome.. Smile

I can tell that my biggest problem today is to find some new-to-me albums which I can like as much as very most of those I've got in my collection.
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Personal Top 17 (one per band) from the Top 100

Art Zoyd - Häxan
Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
Pink Floyd - Animals
King Crimson - Red
Van Der Graaf Generator - Still Life 
Cardiacs - On Land And In The Sea
Yes - Relayer
Camel - Moonmadness
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn
Frank Zappa - The Grand Wazoo
Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
Magma - Mekanik Destruktiw Komandoh
Area - Arbeit Macht Frei
Banco - Darwin!
Eskaton - 4 Visions
Renaissance - Scheherazade and Other Stories


Surprised to see Häxan in the top 100 (wasn't there last time I looked), also surprised to not see Discipline (I'm used to no Can, Talk Talk, Kate Bush, Tangerine Dream... Unhappy)

I own 47 of the top 100.


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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I own 85 of the top 100

Inspired by the ranking in your list, I've rearranged my so the ranking reflects the degree of the albums/artists' greatness (generally considered) as I see it; the newer classics as the last ones though.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I own 85 of the top 100


Inspired by the ranking in your list, I've rearranged my so the ranking reflects the degree of the albums/artists' greatness (generally considered) as I see it; the newer classics as the last ones though.



Yes my original list was what I consider prog rock classics
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

^^ similar to me, only I'm not all that adventurous and am happy with what I like... I really don't suffer from 'FOMO' syndrome.. Smile

I can tell that my biggest problem today is to find some new-to-me albums which I can like as much as very most of those I've got in my collection.
And yet, it's not that big, as I'm now not much up to additions to my collection - actually, just once in a while.
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I'll look at the top 100 soon and get back on that later. For now here's some of what I own:

Yes - 71-77 (also most after and the two before them)
Genesis - 71-77 (also all studio after those but don't currently own FGTR)
King Crimson 69-74 (and all other studio albums)
VDGG - H to He up to Still Life (and a few of their last ones)
GG - Octopus and Interview (I'm a bit spotty on GG for the moment and some are out of print)
Camel - First through to Rain Dances (I have all their stuff though)
IQ- Tales from the lush attic, The Wake, Ever and Dark Matter (I have most others but those are imo the classics)
Marillion - All of the Fish era (and some later ones)
Banco - First three
PFM - First two
Le Orme - Collage up to Contrappunti 
Eloy - The Power and the Passion, Dawn, Ocean and Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes (that's most of what I know by them and at the moment all of what I own)
Alan Parsons Project - Irobot, Pyramid, Turn of a Friendly Card and Eye in the Sky (I own others but those are the classics imo especially Irobot which is pretty essential if you like prog with a pop inclination)
Pink Floyd - Animals, WYWH, DSOTM, The Wall, PATGOD and others but those are the classics
Kansas - 74 to 77 (and beyond). Most of these are in cd wallets though.
Rush- Fly By Night up to Moving Pictures (and beyond and the first one)
The Moody Blues - The classic seven (and not a whole lot more at the moment)
ELP- Same to BSS (not much else at the moment and not the Pictures live album from 71)
Jethro Tull - Stand Up to Warchild (some are used copies and many are in cd wallets)(I have some later ones too but not all of their albums. I do have This Was also though)
Supertramp - Crime of the Century to Breakfast in America
Renaissance - Prologue (unfortunately that is all I have by them at the moment)
Focus - Moving Waves (II) and 3 
Nektar - Remember the Future and Tab in the Ocean (I have a few others too but those are their best imo)

Those are some (if not most) of the most well known I have. 


Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 17 2024 at 05:03
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It looks like my tally is:
80 from the top 100
153 from the top 250
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Only 3 albums in the Top 50 I don't own. I don't own Hot Rats although I do own some Zappa including The Grand Wazoo . I don't have any Miles Davis (my jazz collection is near non existent, maybe a Buddy Rich CD). I also don't have that Museo Rosenbach album Zarathustra, It seems to be pretty rare and copies on vinyl are hard to fine apparently.
After the top 50 it's probably about 35 roughly but can't be bothered to work it out!
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Surprised to see Häxan in the top 100 (wasn't there last time I looked), .....

I would definitely not give so much priority to the average of the ratings over the number of the ratings, as it's sometimes the case and especially concerning Häxan, Gorguts' Obscura, Escaton's 4 Visions and Cardiacs' On Land and in the Sea when talking about the top 100 - the number of ratings for all of these four albums is under 300.

If I should have a serious look at the greatest prog music classics as rated on PA, I'd sat the minimum number of ratings at least to 1000.


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Surprised to see Häxan in the top 100 (wasn't there last time I looked), .....

I would definitely not give so much priority to the average of the ratings over the number of the ratings, as it's sometimes the case and especially concerning Häxan, Gorguts' Obscura, Escaton's 4 Visions and Cardiacs' On Land and in the Sea when talking about the top 100 - the number of ratings for all of these four albums is under 300.

If I should have a serious look at the greatest prog music classics as rated on PA, I'd sat the minimum number of ratings at least to 1000.

I kind of agree as it then gets 3 ELP albums into the top 100 Smile , however there are only 162 albums in total that have 1000 ratings. If you further filter that down to say 'prog metal' then there are only 14 albums of which Dream Theater have 6 ( I was expecting more in truth). My point is that the algorithm is there to give us more of a pool of albums and may help newer artists as they start to scale the summit. Those with low numbers have to be insanely highly rated to get into the 100 but the exposure could help them get them noticed at least. I wish there was more movement at the very top but it is what it is.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

.... however there are only 162 albums in total that have 1000 ratings. 

162 albums is quite a large number when talking about having look at the greatest prog music classics, and anyway, that's just how the terms are on PA. On RYM, the number of albums with minimum 1000 ratings is about 500 for strictly defined Progressive Rock alone.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

My point is that the algorithm is there to give us more of a pool of albums and may help newer artists as they start to scale the summit. 

The question is what should be the purpose of the "Top Prog Albums (all-time)" list. If disregarding the definition of "Prog", I think that the purpose should just be exactly what the title says, and for that purpose, we need to put much weight on the number of ratings. 

Helping newer or less popular/well-known / more obscure artists is a very fine aim, but I think that it would be better with a separate list for that purpose. Tongue


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

.... however there are only 162 albums in total that have 1000 ratings. 

162 albums is quite a large number when talking about having look at the greatest prog music classics, and anyway, that's just how the terms are on PA. On RYM, the number of albums with minimum 1000 ratings is about 500 hundred for strictly defined Progressive Rock alone.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

My point is that the algorithm is there to give us more of a pool of albums and may help newer artists as they start to scale the summit. 

The question is what should be the purpose of the "Top Prog Albums (all-time)" list. If disregarding the definition of "Prog", I think that the purpose should just be exactly what the title says, and for that purpose, we need to put much weight on the number of ratings. 

Helping newer or less popular/well-known / more obscure artists is a very fine aim, but I think that it would be better with a separate list for that purpose. Tongue


I feel richardh's point is reinforced by the fact that recent years have seen fewer albums rated.  2022 only has twelve albums with a hundred ratings and only one album with over 300 ratings- Porcupine Tree "Closure/Continuation".   Whereas, 2015 has 69 albums with over a hundred ratings and 17 albums with over 300 ratings.   

The recent downturn in review/rating interaction on PA does not mean that recent albums are less good than albums released ten years ago.Wink
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When talking about some classics becoming greater, and as I've seen it the last 15 years on RYM, these three albums from my collection has become a lot greater and today all to be found on RYM's Progressive Rock top 120 (popularity weighting on 4); their position and number of ratings in brackets after the release year:


Aphrodite's Child (Gre) - 666 (1972)  (71,  6,200 r.)

Los Jaivas (Chile) - Alturas de Machu Pichu (1981)  (104,  2,900 r.)

Triana (ESP) - Triana (El Patio) (1975)  (112,  2,900 r.)


Even I guess that 666 has got a large part of its ratings from non-proggers, as it's also much influenced by Psychedelic Rock.



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The Yes Album
Close To The Edge
Going For The One

Dark Side Of The Moon
Wish You Were Here

The first 6 Camel albums

Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory

All 5 Transatlantic albums

Snow - Spock's Beard

Most of Neal Morse's solo prog albums
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