Your collection of the greatest ProgRock classics?
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Topic: Your collection of the greatest ProgRock classics?
Posted By: David_D
Subject: Your collection of the greatest ProgRock classics?
Date Posted: October 10 2024 at 08:30
Lately and finally, it clicked for me with a couple more of the greatest Progressive Rock classics, so I've added them to my collection, and got the idea for this show-off thread. It's surely good also to include the newer great classics, and my list looks like:
Genesis (UK) Trespass (1970) Nursery Cryme (1971) Foxtrot (1972) Selling England by the Pound (1973)
The Lamb Lies down on Broadway (1974)
Yes (UK) The Yes Album (1971) Fragile (1971)
Close to the Edge (1972)
King Crimson (UK) In the Court of the Crimson King (1969) Larks’ Tongues in Aspic (1973)
Red (1974)
Pink Floyd (UK) The Dark Side of the Moon (1973) Wish You Were Here (1975) Animals (1977)
Jethro Tull (UK)
Aqualung (1971) Thick as a Brick (1972)
Emerson, Lake & Palmer (UK) Emerson, Lake & Palmer (1970) Tarkus (1971) Trilogy (1972)
Brain Salad Surgery (1973)
Camel (UK) The Snow Goose (1975)
Van Der Graaf Generator (UK) H to He Who Am the Only One (1970) Godbluff (1975)
Still Life (1976)
Caravan (UK) In The Land of Grey and Pink (1971)
The Soft Machine (UK)
The Soft Machine (1968)
Gentle Giant (UK) Acquiring the Taste (1971)
Premiata Forneria Marconi (I) Per Un Amico (1972)
Mike Oldfield (UK) Tubular Bells (1973)
Ommadawn (1975)
Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (I) Darwin! (1972) Io Sono Nato Libero (1973)
Magma (F) Udu Wudu (1976)
Marillion (UK)
Script For A Jester’s Tear (1983)
Anglagård (S) Hybris (1992)
Porcupine Tree (UK) Coma Divine. Recorded Live In Rome (1997)
The Mars Volta (US) De-loused in the Comatorium (2003)
Frances the Mute (2005)
It's up to you how long a list you will make, but no cheating! , and please, be aware of that we're talking about the greatest classics as generally considered.
And enjoy!
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Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: October 10 2024 at 09:06
I've put ten of my collection's classic prog albums in chronological order here.
Family – Music in a Doll's House The Nice – Ars Longa Vita Brevis Soft Machine – Volume Two King Crimson – In the Court of the Crimson King Caravan – If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You Emerson, Lake & Palmer – Emerson, Lake & Palmer Khan – Space Shanty Genesis – Nursery Cryme Yes – Close to the Edge Premiata Forneria Marconi – Per un amico
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: October 10 2024 at 10:21
I assume these are classics. I'll do ten. In no order.
U.K. - U.K. Zappa - One Size Fits All King Crimson - Discipline Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior Rush - 2112 Porcupine Tree - In Absentia Dream Theater - Images and Words Kansas - Leftoverture Gentle Giant - Free Hand Steely Dan - Aja
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: October 10 2024 at 10:52
My collection of 20 classic prog / crossover / related albums. [Contents may vary.]
In no particular order as I have drawn on several of my personal lists.
01. Meddle - Pink Floyd 02. Emerson Lake & Palmer - s/t 03. Seventh Sojourn - The Moody Blues 04. A New World Record - ELO 05. The Original Soundtrack - 10cc 06. Pictures at an Exhibition - Emerson, Lake & Palmer 07. Houses of the Holy - Led Zeppelin 08. Caravanserai - Santana 09. Machine Head - Deep Purple 10. Close to the Edge - Yes 11. The Snow Goose - Camel 12. Tubular Bells - Mike Oldfield 13. Moving Waves - Focus 14. Thick As A Brick - Jethro Tull 15. Six Wives of Henry VIII - Rick Wakeman 16. Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd 17. In the Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson 18. Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd 19. The Yes Album - Yes 20. Air Conditioning - Curved Air
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 10 2024 at 15:13
No order.... King Crimson~ItCOtCK Rush~Hemispheres Rush~A Farewell To Kings Pink Floyd~DSOtM Pink Floyd~WYWH Marillion~Brave Nektar~Remember the Future Yes~CTTE Yes~Fragile CAN~Ege Bamyasi Soft Machine~Fourth Porcupine Tree~Signify ELP~Tarkus The Flower Kings~Stardust We Are Genesis~SEBtP JTull~TAAB Peter Gabriel~IV (Security) Saga~s/t Triumvirat~Spartacus
Seems like enough....
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 10 2024 at 23:16
If I stick to PA's Top Hundred and one per band then
1. Yes - Close To The Edge 2. PFM - Per Un Amico 3. ELP - S/T 4. King Crimson - Red 5. Genesis - Foxtrot 6. Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn 7. All Traps On Earth - A Drop Of Light 8. Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts 9. Steve Hackett - Voyage Of The Acolyte 10. Pink Floyd - Animals 11. Rush - Moving Pictures 12. Jethro Tull - Aqualung 13. Anglagard - Hybris 14. Supertramp - Crime Of The Century 15. Gentle Giant - The Power and the Glory 16. Camel - The Snow Goose 17. Porcupine Tree - In Absentia 18. IQ - The Road Of Bones 19. Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing 20. Wobbler - From Silence To Somewhere
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: October 11 2024 at 03:43
From the current all-time top 100 prog albums in PA, I have the following 48 (listed in the order they appear in the top 100 list): Yes - Close to the Edge Genesis - Selling England by the Pound Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon Genesis - Foxtrot King Crimson - Red Pink Floyd - Animals Yes - Fragile Van Der Graaf Generator - Godbluff Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts Genesis - Nursery Cryme King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic Camel - Mirage Premiata Forneria Marconi (PFM) - Per Un Amico Rush - Moving Pictures Yes - Relayer Jethro Tull - Aqualung Frank Zappa - Hot Rats Änglagård - Hybris Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere Yes - The Yes Album Van Der Graaf Generator - H To He, Who Am The Only One Supertramp - Crime of the Century Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire Dream Theater - Metropolis Part 2 - Scenes from a Memory Renaissance - Scheherazade and Other Stories Gentle Giant - Octopus Gentle Giant - The Power and the Glory Dream Theater - Images and Words Pink Floyd - Meddle Van Der Graaf Generator - Still Life Peter Hammill - The Silent Corner And The Empty Stage Magma - Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh Porcupine Tree - Fear of a Blank Planet Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame All Traps On Earth - A Drop of Light Hatfield And The North - Hatfield and the North Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear Änglagård - Viljans Öga Cardiacs - On Land And In The Sea Miles Davis - Bitches Brew IQ - The Road of Bones Al Di Meola - Elegant Gypsy Emerson Lake & Palmer - Emerson Lake & Palmer Magma - K.A (Köhntarkösz Anteria) Queensrÿche - Operation: Mindcrime
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Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: October 11 2024 at 07:06
Here is another list of ten classic progressive albums that I have in my collection, arranged chronologically.
Van Der Graaf Generator – H to He, Who Am the Only One
Uriah Heep – ...Very 'Eavy ...Very 'Umble
Gentle Giant – Acquiring the Taste
Curved Air – Phantasmagoria
Gnidrolog – Lady Lake
Mahavishnu Orchestra – Birds of Fire Camel – Mirage
Gong – You Hawkwind – Warrior on the Edge of Time Jethro Tull – Minstrel in the Gallery
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 11 2024 at 17:26
Though much of what I love in progressive music is very obscure, here are some more acknowledged prog rock classics that I have....in no special order
ELP-Tarkus Gentle Giant-Free Hand Colosseum Live Triumvirat-Spartacus Wishbone Ash-Argus Mahavishnu Orchestra-The Inner Mounting Flame Yes-The Yes Album Genesis-Trespass Tangerine Dream-Phaedra Rush-2112 PFM-The World Became The World
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: October 13 2024 at 20:36
Yes - CTTE, Fragile, Relayer, TFTO Genesis - Trespass, Foxtrot, TLLDOB, SEBTP Pink Floyd - Everything King Crimson - Everything Jethro Tull - Aqualung, APP, TAAB, TFTW ELP - Tarkus, BSS VDGG - Pawn Hearts, Godbluff, H To He, The Least, World Record Camel - Mirage, Moonmadness, Snow Goose PFM - Per Un Amico, Storia Di Un Minuto Rush - Moving Pictures, 2112, Hemispheres Banco - Darwin, Io Sono Nato Libero Gentle Giant - Octopus, IAGH, Power And Glory, Free Hand Mike Oldfield - TB, Ommadawn, Hergest Ridge, Incantation Caravan - ITLOGAP, If I Could... Hatfield & The North - s/t, Rotters Club
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 15 2024 at 09:03
I have to admit that I've been quite impressed by the greatest classics over the years, but I've also experienced not so few times that even I didn't particularly like some to begin with, after having listened to them a number of times over a period of some years, I could become very fond and never tired of them.
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: October 15 2024 at 13:15
From PA's current Top 100, I have the following 18 albums in my collection:
(I have to admit there are quite a few from the Top 100 that I formerly owned, but now no longer do.)
1. Yes: Close to the Edge 2. Genesis: Selling England by the Pound 3. Pink Floyd: Wish You Were Here 4. Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon 5. Genesis: Foxtrot 6. Yes: Fragile 7. Rush: Moving Pictures 8. Rush: Hemispheres 9. Yes: Relayer 10. Yes: The Yes Album 11. Supertramp: Crime of the Century 12. Genesis: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway 13. Mike Oldfield: Ommadawn 14. Genesis: A Trick of the Tail 15. Rush: Permanent Waves 16. Miles Davis: In a Silent Way 17. Billy Cobham: Spectrum 18. E.L.P.: Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 15 2024 at 14:19
Steve Wyzard wrote:
(I have to admit there are quite a few from the Top 100 that I formerly owned, but now no longer do.) |
I can say that about 5 albums, and it's not something I regret, but in general I guess that I've moved more the other way - even I've always been happy to get albums with new artists, and from new countries.
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: October 15 2024 at 17:39
List of PA top 100, that I Don't own.
Art Zoid- "Haxan" Bacamarte - "Posis do Fin" Death- "Symbolic" Renaissance- "Ashes Are Burning" Cardiacs- "On Land And In The Sea" Caravan- "If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You
Eventually, I'll buy the Art Zoid and Caravan albums. I own Caravan's "In The Land Of Grey And Pink"
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 15 2024 at 18:34
omphaloskepsis wrote:
List of PA top 100, that I Don't own.
Art Zoid- "Haxan" Bacamarte - "Posis do Fin" Death- "Symbolic" Renaissance- "Ashes Are Burning" Cardiacs- "On Land And In The Sea" Caravan- "If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You
Eventually, I'll buy the Art Zoid and Caravan albums. I own Caravan's "In The Land Of Grey And Pink"
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I just recently acquired that Caravan album (ITLOG&P). I had it a long time ago. I also bought their second not too long ago which you listed. Of their classic albums the only ones I don't have are the very first one, Cunning Stunts (yes I do count that one) and the new symphonia live album. Oddly enough I don't have most of the classic Gentle Giant albums although I used to. Unfortunately I sold a whole bunch a long time ago. I do currently have most of the classic prog albums including many that are not obvious to someone who is brand new to prog.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 10:47
Now we've definitely seen some of the big shots.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 11:21
I own physical versions of 52 albums in PA's top 100 and 84 in the top 250, but I won't list them:)
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 12:05
Saperlipopette! wrote:
I own physical versions of 52 albums in PA's top 100 and 84 in the top 250, but I won't list them:) |
a very sensible way of doing this... I presently own physical versions of 47 albums in PA's top 100 and 63 in the top 250.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 12:14
Jared wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
I own physical versions of 52 albums in PA's top 100 and 84 in the top 250, but I won't list them:) |
a very sensible way of doing this... I presently own physical versions of 47 albums in PA's top 100 and 63 in the top 250.
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I own 34 CD albums in PA's Top 100, but I'm not going to list them either - which makes a change for me.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 12:31
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I own 34 CD albums in PA's Top 100, but I'm not going to list them either - which makes a change for me. |
I would describe myself as being 'very familiar' with 59 of them..
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 12:48
Jared wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I own 34 CD albums in PA's Top 100, but I'm not going to list them either - which makes a change for me. |
I would describe myself as being 'very familiar' with 59 of them.. |
I've listened to 68 albums in PA's Top 100 so far. It's mostly the Italian albums and Frank Zappa I haven't listened to - at least not yet anyway.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 12:54
^^ similar to me, only I'm not all that adventurous and am happy with what I like... I really don't suffer from 'FOMO' syndrome..
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 13:00
I own 85 of the top 100
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 13:04
Jared wrote:
^^ similar to me, only I'm not all that adventurous and am happy with what I like... I really don't suffer from 'FOMO' syndrome.. |
I have no fear of missing out on Frank Zappa.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 13:08
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
I own 85 of the top 100 |
and I'm guessing the ones you don't own will mostly be the Dream Theater and Neo-Prog ones?
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 13:53
Correct, the most surprising omissions are probably The Yes Album and Art Zoyd - Haxan (which I've never found a reasonable copy of)
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 15:14
Jared wrote:
^^ similar to me, only I'm not all that adventurous and am happy with what I like... I really don't suffer from 'FOMO' syndrome.. |
I can tell that my biggest problem today is to find some new-to-me albums which I can like as much as very most of those I've got in my collection.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 16:54
Personal Top 17 (one per band) from the Top 100
Art Zoyd - Häxan Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom Pink Floyd - Animals King Crimson - Red Van Der Graaf Generator - Still Life Cardiacs - On Land And In The Sea Yes - Relayer Camel - Moonmadness Porcupine Tree - In Absentia Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn Frank Zappa - The Grand Wazoo Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick Magma - Mekanik Destruktiw Komandoh Area - Arbeit Macht Frei Banco - Darwin! Eskaton - 4 Visions Renaissance - Scheherazade and Other Stories
Surprised to see Häxan in the top 100 (wasn't there last time I looked), also surprised to not see Discipline (I'm used to no Can, Talk Talk, Kate Bush, Tangerine Dream... )
I own 47 of the top 100.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 17:49
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
I own 85 of the top 100 |
Inspired by the ranking in your list, I've rearranged my so the ranking reflects the degree of the albums/artists' greatness (generally considered) as I see it; the newer classics as the last ones though.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: October 16 2024 at 18:07
David_D wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
I own 85 of the top 100 |
Inspired by the ranking in your list, I've rearranged my so the ranking reflects the degree of the albums/artists' greatness (generally considered) as I see it; the newer classics as the last ones though.
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Yes my original list was what I consider prog rock classics
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 17 2024 at 04:29
David_D wrote:
Jared wrote:
^^ similar to me, only I'm not all that adventurous and am happy with what I like... I really don't suffer from 'FOMO' syndrome.. |
I can tell that my biggest problem today is to find some new-to-me albums which I can like as much as very most of those I've got in my collection. |
And yet, it's not that big, as I'm now not much up to additions to my collection - actually, just once in a while.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 17 2024 at 04:56
I'll look at the top 100 soon and get back on that later. For now here's some of what I own:
Yes - 71-77 (also most after and the two before them) Genesis - 71-77 (also all studio after those but don't currently own FGTR) King Crimson 69-74 (and all other studio albums) VDGG - H to He up to Still Life (and a few of their last ones) GG - Octopus and Interview (I'm a bit spotty on GG for the moment and some are out of print) Camel - First through to Rain Dances (I have all their stuff though) IQ- Tales from the lush attic, The Wake, Ever and Dark Matter (I have most others but those are imo the classics) Marillion - All of the Fish era (and some later ones) Banco - First three PFM - First two Le Orme - Collage up to Contrappunti Eloy - The Power and the Passion, Dawn, Ocean and Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes (that's most of what I know by them and at the moment all of what I own) Alan Parsons Project - Irobot, Pyramid, Turn of a Friendly Card and Eye in the Sky (I own others but those are the classics imo especially Irobot which is pretty essential if you like prog with a pop inclination) Pink Floyd - Animals, WYWH, DSOTM, The Wall, PATGOD and others but those are the classics Kansas - 74 to 77 (and beyond). Most of these are in cd wallets though. Rush- Fly By Night up to Moving Pictures (and beyond and the first one) The Moody Blues - The classic seven (and not a whole lot more at the moment) ELP- Same to BSS (not much else at the moment and not the Pictures live album from 71) Jethro Tull - Stand Up to Warchild (some are used copies and many are in cd wallets)(I have some later ones too but not all of their albums. I do have This Was also though) Supertramp - Crime of the Century to Breakfast in America Renaissance - Prologue (unfortunately that is all I have by them at the moment) Focus - Moving Waves (II) and 3 Nektar - Remember the Future and Tab in the Ocean (I have a few others too but those are their best imo)
Those are some (if not most) of the most well known I have.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: October 17 2024 at 05:10
It looks like my tally is: 80 from the top 100 153 from the top 250
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 17 2024 at 21:31
Only 3 albums in the Top 50 I don't own. I don't own Hot Rats although I do own some Zappa including The Grand Wazoo . I don't have any Miles Davis (my jazz collection is near non existent, maybe a Buddy Rich CD). I also don't have that Museo Rosenbach album Zarathustra, It seems to be pretty rare and copies on vinyl are hard to fine apparently. After the top 50 it's probably about 35 roughly but can't be bothered to work it out!
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 18 2024 at 06:05
Lewian wrote:
Surprised to see Häxan in the top 100 (wasn't there last time I looked), .....
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I would definitely not give so much priority to the average of the ratings over the number of the ratings, as it's sometimes the case and especially concerning Häxan, Gorguts' Obscura, Escaton's 4 Visions and Cardiacs' On Land and in the Sea when talking about the top 100 - the number of ratings for all of these four albums is under 300.
If I should have a serious look at the greatest prog music classics as rated on PA, I'd sat the minimum number of ratings at least to 1000.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 19 2024 at 00:41
David_D wrote:
Lewian wrote:
Surprised to see Häxan in the top 100 (wasn't there last time I looked), .....
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I would definitely not give so much priority to the average of the ratings over the number of the ratings, as it's sometimes the case and especially concerning Häxan, Gorguts' Obscura, Escaton's 4 Visions and Cardiacs' On Land and in the Sea when talking about the top 100 - the number of ratings for all of these four albums is under 300.
If I should have a serious look at the greatest prog music classics as rated on PA, I'd sat the minimum number of ratings at least to 1000.
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I kind of agree as it then gets 3 ELP albums into the top 100 , however there are only 162 albums in total that have 1000 ratings. If you further filter that down to say 'prog metal' then there are only 14 albums of which Dream Theater have 6 ( I was expecting more in truth). My point is that the algorithm is there to give us more of a pool of albums and may help newer artists as they start to scale the summit. Those with low numbers have to be insanely highly rated to get into the 100 but the exposure could help them get them noticed at least. I wish there was more movement at the very top but it is what it is.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 19 2024 at 02:29
richardh wrote:
.... however there are only 162 albums in total that have 1000 ratings. |
162 albums is quite a large number when talking about having look at the greatest prog music classics, and anyway, that's just how the terms are on PA. On RYM, the number of albums with minimum 1000 ratings is about 500 for strictly defined Progressive Rock alone.
richardh wrote:
My point is that the algorithm is there to give us more of a pool of albums and may help newer artists as they start to scale the summit. |
The question is what should be the purpose of the "Top Prog Albums (all-time)" list. If disregarding the definition of "Prog", I think that the purpose should just be exactly what the title says, and for that purpose, we need to put much weight on the number of ratings.
Helping newer or less popular/well-known / more obscure artists is a very fine aim, but I think that it would be better with a separate list for that purpose.
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: October 19 2024 at 06:33
David_D wrote:
richardh wrote:
.... however there are only 162 albums in total that have 1000 ratings. |
162 albums is quite a large number when talking about having look at the greatest prog music classics, and anyway, that's just how the terms are on PA. On RYM, the number of albums with minimum 1000 ratings is about 500 hundred for strictly defined Progressive Rock alone.
richardh wrote:
My point is that the algorithm is there to give us more of a pool of albums and may help newer artists as they start to scale the summit. |
The question is what should be the purpose of the "Top Prog Albums (all-time)" list. If disregarding the definition of "Prog", I think that the purpose should just be exactly what the title says, and for that purpose, we need to put much weight on the number of ratings.
Helping newer or less popular/well-known / more obscure artists is a very fine aim, but I think that it would be better with a separate list for that purpose.
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I feel richardh's point is reinforced by the fact that recent years have seen fewer albums rated. 2022 only has twelve albums with a hundred ratings and only one album with over 300 ratings- Porcupine Tree "Closure/Continuation". Whereas, 2015 has 69 albums with over a hundred ratings and 17 albums with over 300 ratings.
The recent downturn in review/rating interaction on PA does not mean that recent albums are less good than albums released ten years ago.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 20 2024 at 07:05
When talking about some classics becoming greater, and as I've seen it the last 15 years on RYM, these three albums from my collection has become a lot greater and today all to be found on RYM's Progressive Rock top 120 (popularity weighting on 4); their position and number of ratings in brackets after the release year:
Aphrodite's Child (Gre) - 666 (1972) (71, 6,200 r.)
Los Jaivas (Chile) - Alturas de Machu Pichu (1981) (104, 2,900 r.) Triana (ESP) - Triana (El Patio) (1975) (112, 2,900 r.)
Even I guess that 666 has got a large part of its ratings from non-proggers, as it's also much influenced by Psychedelic Rock.
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Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: October 20 2024 at 09:08
The Yes Album Close To The Edge Going For The One
Dark Side Of The Moon Wish You Were Here
The first 6 Camel albums
Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory
All 5 Transatlantic albums
Snow - Spock's Beard
Most of Neal Morse's solo prog albums
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 20 2024 at 23:10
David_D wrote:
Aphrodite's Child (Gre) - 666 (1972) (71, 6,200 r.)
Even I guess that 666 has got a large part of its ratings from non-proggers, as it's also much influenced by Psychedelic Rock.
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Interesting indeed. Always loved that album and seems influential. I've got the reissue on pre-order so looking forward to that.
https://www.piccadillyrecords.com/157080/Aphrodite's-Child-666-The-Apocalypse-Of-John-2024-Reissue-UMR
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 21 2024 at 04:25
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I own 34 CD albums in PA's Top 100, but I'm not going to list them either - which makes a change for me.
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I wouldn't mind to see that list, as to be honest, I'm quite curious about it.
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: October 21 2024 at 10:00
omphaloskepsis wrote:
David_D wrote:
richardh wrote:
.... however there are only 162 albums in total that have 1000 ratings. |
162 albums is quite a large number when talking about having look at the greatest prog music classics, and anyway, that's just how the terms are on PA. On RYM, the number of albums with minimum 1000 ratings is about 500 hundred for strictly defined Progressive Rock alone.
richardh wrote:
My point is that the algorithm is there to give us more of a pool of albums and may help newer artists as they start to scale the summit. |
The question is what should be the purpose of the "Top Prog Albums (all-time)" list. If disregarding the definition of "Prog", I think that the purpose should just be exactly what the title says, and for that purpose, we need to put much weight on the number of ratings.
Helping newer or less popular/well-known / more obscure artists is a very fine aim, but I think that it would be better with a separate list for that purpose.
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I feel richardh's point is reinforced by the fact that recent years have seen fewer albums rated. 2022 only has twelve albums with a hundred ratings and only one album with over 300 ratings- Porcupine Tree "Closure/Continuation". Whereas, 2015 has 69 albums with over a hundred ratings and 17 albums with over 300 ratings.
The recent downturn in review/rating interaction on PA does not mean that recent albums are less good than albums released ten years ago.
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Here's a solution: why not eliminate ratings by those who have had no activity on this site in, say, the last 15 years?
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 21 2024 at 10:31
David_D wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I own 34 CD albums in PA's Top 100, but I'm not going to list them either - which makes a change for me.
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I wouldn't mind to see that list, as to be honest, I'm quite curious about it.
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Okay then, seeing as you've asked.
1975: Camel - The Snow Goose - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n-E4oCUFb3iPPuQZ3IAh_9LpBh76MJYQU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n-E4oCUFb3iPPuQZ3IAh_9LpBh76MJYQU 1976: Camel - Moonmadness - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nyGHrNV07De1VA_TDOmy8b8V9hdj8yxS8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nyGHrNV07De1VA_TDOmy8b8V9hdj8yxS8
1970: Caravan - If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtsoUorBySZ8GsEIMLVrI2R" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtsoUorBySZ8GsEIMLVrI2R 1971: Caravan - In the Land of Grey and Pink - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mFz0nR_h7FWnmMQ90QMaMVh7Gadk3hA8k" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mFz0nR_h7FWnmMQ90QMaMVh7Gadk3hA8k
1959: Miles Davis - Kind of Blue - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDqULFUg6CY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDqULFUg6CY
1992: Dream Theater - Images and Words - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lAQBvxVGv13GwL7f0z2M5SJrn1BaGNvKA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lAQBvxVGv13GwL7f0z2M5SJrn1BaGNvKA 1999: Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mY0UJ7SdDG7n4DgXGJ_h-vG0QH9LpayaA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mY0UJ7SdDG7n4DgXGJ_h-vG0QH9LpayaA
1970: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nWYVLlCgxodhqh5PuVKeNwfnxE7rW5xsY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nWYVLlCgxodhqh5PuVKeNwfnxE7rW5xsY
1971: Genesis - Nursery Cryme - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvvRA8-vhtqeavlv9_TYkI9" rel="nofollow - 1972: Genesis - Foxtrot - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LutOVRL4O2LYbAaPtNQjtzt" rel="nofollow - 1973: Genesis - Selling England by the Pound - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Ls8c3SxGZW2wPNWTifikotc" rel="nofollow - 1974: Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvZRqTE0R8CKQn3uj02Eete" rel="nofollow - 1976: Genesis - A Trick of the Tail - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuNpwmZ8GoikYtQy7QBk7n9" rel="nofollow - 1975: Steve Hackett - Voyage of the Acolyte - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYpBVHR7sN2E2R3QC3K3RBq" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYpBVHR7sN2E2R3QC3K3RBq
1971: Jethro Tull - Aqualung - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpItMlS-ZZBS0WAL9Xos7Vem" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpItMlS-ZZBS0WAL9Xos7Vem
1969: King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_npAxahIi6ehG_i3qD04oSeSGA6iUCM58E" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_npAxahIi6ehG_i3qD04oSeSGA6iUCM58E
1983: Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXeTcpskPi4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXeTcpskPi4 1985: Marillion - Misplaced Childhood - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1GxC_er32s" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1GxC_er32s
1975: Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNi-zZF6wI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNi-zZF6wI
1971: Pink Floyd - Meddle - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nznfbOMyruTyQ1CAOO8AON_qXVbA4fAA8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nznfbOMyruTyQ1CAOO8AON_qXVbA4fAA8 1973: Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1x-JAx0w53suECoCI0YJtW6VB8DBQWRQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1x-JAx0w53suECoCI0YJtW6VB8DBQWRQ 1975: Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mzowhqljIOba8BVGEmVkeaWeL2S_bO4bw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mzowhqljIOba8BVGEmVkeaWeL2S_bO4bw
2002: Porcupine Tree - In Absentia - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEb9Pf_9kd5y0ddQyp1DVBsl" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEb9Pf_9kd5y0ddQyp1DVBsl
1973: Renaissance - Ashes Are Burning - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzD5Uokecbg3XezyRZ7gmq04" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzD5Uokecbg3XezyRZ7gmq04
1976: Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lSO1908xsMx80rZuQR9bg5q5jFPCPUn34" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lSO1908xsMx80rZuQR9bg5q5jFPCPUn34
1978: Rush - Hemispheres - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMoHes_BChQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMoHes_BChQ 1980: Rush - Permanent Waves - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_npYplEYAmBcund-gpc3v65mDrsZ3T2KPg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_npYplEYAmBcund-gpc3v65mDrsZ3T2KPg
1974: Supertramp - Crime of the Century - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR161aSURNM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR161aSURNM
1970: Van der Graaf Generator - H to He, Who Am the Only One - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lJ5GqrKTN-Elb_BhgPje8Seu8Xr0n4T3w" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lJ5GqrKTN-Elb_BhgPje8Seu8Xr0n4T3w
1971: YES - The Yes Album - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nY-QvLEUh8bovdW1btwUXJHE8I_W5bIbA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nY-QvLEUh8bovdW1btwUXJHE8I_W5bIbA 1971: YES - Fragile - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mr3aLJuPJvJve1bSwRl-8W4iN8uhGOr80" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mr3aLJuPJvJve1bSwRl-8W4iN8uhGOr80 1972: YES - Close to the Edge - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ktk8PtkXO8GdshsmXb6w0fhaCMMTsyFio" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ktk8PtkXO8GdshsmXb6w0fhaCMMTsyFio
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 21 2024 at 12:32
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Okay then, seeing as you've asked. |
Thank you very much for fulfilling my request, Paul. You listed 32 but to be honest and even your collection is very big, I still wouldn't expect it to be quite that many.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 21 2024 at 12:40
^ Yes, it should've been a list of 34 albums instead of 32, but I left out Van der Graaf Generator's The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other (mainly because it's not in PA's Top 100, surprisingly) and Pink Floyd's Animals which I gave away to a charity shop.
I'm really surprised Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells isn't in PA's Top 100 chart.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 21 2024 at 13:17
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I'm really surprised Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells isn't in PA's Top 100 chart.
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Yes, that's really suprising, and so can be said about maybe not so few other albums, but on the other hand, there're Art Zoyd's Häxan, Gorguts' Obscura, Escaton's 4 Visions and Cardiacs' On Land and in the Sea.
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: October 21 2024 at 13:22
Tubular Bells actually clocks in at #209 - a complete travesty - IMO it deserves to be somewhere in the top 25.
[Just go to the top 100 list and change the maximum results to 250.]
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: October 21 2024 at 15:11
Here are five modern, soon to be classics.
Spock's Beard - V Echolyn - The End Is Beautiful Bubblemath - Edit Peptide The Aristocrats - Duck Wippy Bonstack - 22
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 21 2024 at 17:00
For those interested in the highest rated prog music albums/artists and with much weight on popularity (numbers of ratings), I still think that it's a god idea to have a look at my https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=127673" rel="nofollow - Top 100 all-time as rated on RYM and PA , made in 2019. BUT, since then, large/very large numbers of ratings have been made on RYM for the majority or maybe very most of the artists, and some very large numbers of ratings for some new/other artists, which altogether can mean quite a lot of changes compared to my list. Also or on the other hand, sometimes it's a good question how to evaluate and understand these new ratings, as they can be very RYM-locally conditioned.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 22 2024 at 10:16
Btw, when talking about Eskaton's 4 Visions and even it has only got a rather small number of ratings on PA, it is of course a lot appreciated (Zeuhl) classic today, and I've got it in my collection too.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: October 22 2024 at 10:24
Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's classic. And otherwise, some unknown acts that receive few ratings are classics for me.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 23 2024 at 10:09
^^ Eskaton's 4 Visions is also to be found on my https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=127706" rel="nofollow - Top 100-160 all-time as rated on RYM and PA list, made in 2019 too, at #125; while when talking about https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=127673" rel="nofollow - Top 100 all-time as rated on RYM and PA , it includes these of my Prog classics which I haven't mentioned earlier:
Steve Hackett (UK) : Voyage Of The Acolyte (1975) 12,0 (3.100 r.)Museo Rosenbach (I) : Zarathustra (1973) 12,1 (2.100 r.) Focus (NL) : Hamburger Concerto (1974) 12,0 (2.100 r.) Khan (UK) : Space Shanty (1972) 12,0 (2.000 r.) Bacamarte (Bra) : Depois Do Fim (1983) 12,1 (1.600 r.) Le Orme (I) : Felona E Sorona (1973) 11,9 (2.200 r.) Eloy (D) : Ocean (1977) 11,7 (2.500 r.) T2 (UK) : It’ll All Work out in Boomland (1970) 11,7 (2.200 r.) Il Balletto di Bronzo (I) : Ys (1972) 11,7 (1.800 r.) Rick Wakeman (UK) : The Six Wives Of Henry VIII (1973) 11,4 (2.200 r.)
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 23 2024 at 22:15
Floydoid wrote:
Tubular Bells actually clocks in at #209 - a complete travesty - IMO it deserves to be somewhere in the top 25.
[Just go to the top 100 list and change the maximum results to 250.] |
Not really. Side One is tremendous and is the meat of the album. Side Two is a notch down for me. I havent read the reviews but I'm guessing a few have said that. Ommadawn is his greatest album and sits proudly at 56.
One of the albums outside the Top 100 that should be in is Rick Wakeman's Six Wives Of Henry VIII. Not even in the Top 250 Each composition is a masterpiece in its own right and he curated some of the greatest musicians of the time for it. Just look at this. With: - Mike Egan / guitar (1,2,5,6) - Steve Howe / guitar (1) - Dave Lambert / guitar (3) - David Cousins / electric banjo (3) - Chris Squire / bass (1) - Dave Winter / bass (2,6) - Chas Cronk / bass (3) - Les Hurdle / bass (1,5) - Bill Bruford / drums (1,5) - Alan White / drums (2,4,6) - Barry de Souza / drums (3) - Ray Cooper / percussion (1,5) - Frank Ricotti / percussion (2,3,6) - Judy Powell / chorus (1) - Barry St.John / chorus (1) - Liza Strike / chorus (1,5) - Laura Lee / chorus (5) - Sylvia McNeill / chorus (5)
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 25 2024 at 04:15
David_D wrote:
Jared wrote:
^^ similar to me, only I'm not all that adventurous and am happy with what I like... I really don't suffer from 'FOMO' syndrome.. |
I can tell that my biggest problem today is to find some new-to-me albums which I can like as much as very most of those I've got in my collection. |
Actually, it's most fruitile for me to search amongst classics.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 26 2024 at 06:19
richardh wrote:
One of the albums outside the Top 100 that should be in is Rick Wakeman's Six Wives Of Henry VIII. Not even in the Top 250 Each composition is a masterpiece in its own right and he curated some of the greatest musicians of the time for it.
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I surely love it and have done it since its release.
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: October 26 2024 at 10:46
A travesty indeed - it has also been one of my all time favourite albums since its release.
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Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: October 26 2024 at 21:04
Floydoid wrote:
A
travesty indeed - it has also been one of my all time favourite albums
since its release. | Not everyone shares this sentiment. I, for
one, have always preferred "No Earthly Connection" to "The Six Wives of
Henry VIII."
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: October 27 2024 at 03:22
Back in the day when Six Wives was first released it seemed almost as good as anything that Yes was churning out in the first half of the 70's - and IMO second only to CTTE.
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Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: October 27 2024 at 04:07
Floydoid wrote:
Back in the day when Six Wives was first released it
seemed almost as good as anything that Yes was churning out in the first
half of the 70's - and IMO second only to CTTE. | "The Six Wives
of Henry VIII" was released in January 1973, and that was year that
later saw the releases of many iconic albums, including "Tales from
Topographic Oceans" (December 1973); I, for one, have always preferred
the latter.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 27 2024 at 05:56
Starshiper wrote:
Not everyone shares this sentiment. I, for
one, have always preferred "No Earthly Connection" to "The Six Wives of
Henry VIII." |
Well, I more or less liked No Earthly Connection upon its release, got it again in my collection in the mid-'90s, and it has grown on me over the years, but I won't say that it's in general considered as one of the greatest Prog classics.
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Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: October 27 2024 at 09:20
David_D wrote:
Starshiper wrote:
Not everyone shares this sentiment. I, for
one, have always preferred "No Earthly Connection" to "The Six Wives of
Henry VIII." |
Well, I more or less liked No Earthly Connection
upon its release, got it again in my collection in the mid-'90s, and it
has grown on me over the years, but I won't say that it's in general
considered as one of the greatest Prog classics.
| Isn't "No Earthly Connection" an album of crackers? You may look
for such cute proggy odds in vain on Wakeman's other solo records.
Atmospheric 'tron, flute interludes, acoustic guitar, choir sounds,
jazz-rockesque moments, classical-like brass sections, and even
trippy-like sound segments. The melodies themselves are also quite
appealing. An accusation of being vulgar in music has been, I imagine,
heard at times. However, who cares? The album is so lush that any
complaint would seem irrelevant. Personally, I am inclined to
consider "No Earthly Connection" to be nothing less a classic album than
"The Six Wives..." Furthermore, I believe that "No Earthly..." is his
best concept album. Compared to the funky "No Earthly...," "The Six
Wives of Henry VIII" seems to be a one-dimensional album, and not just
because of the "No Earthly Connection" original sleeve design.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 27 2024 at 17:51
Starshiper wrote:
David_D wrote:
Starshiper wrote:
Not everyone shares this sentiment. I, for
one, have always preferred "No Earthly Connection" to "The Six Wives of
Henry VIII." |
Well, I more or less liked No Earthly Connection
upon its release, got it again in my collection in the mid-'90s, and it
has grown on me over the years, but I won't say that it's in general
considered as one of the greatest Prog classics.
| Isn't "No Earthly Connection" an album of crackers? You may look
for such cute proggy odds in vain on Wakeman's other solo records.
Atmospheric 'tron, flute interludes, acoustic guitar, choir sounds,
jazz-rockesque moments, classical-like brass sections, and even
trippy-like sound segments. The melodies themselves are also quite
appealing. An accusation of being vulgar in music has been, I imagine,
heard at times. However, who cares? The album is so lush that any
complaint would seem irrelevant. Personally, I am inclined to
consider "No Earthly Connection" to be nothing less a classic album than
"The Six Wives..." Furthermore, I believe that "No Earthly..." is his
best concept album. Compared to the funky "No Earthly...," "The Six
Wives of Henry VIII" seems to be a one-dimensional album, and not just
because of the "No Earthly Connection" original sleeve design. |
''One-dimensional'' is stretching an argument to a breaking point. The music takes us to all sorts of places. Always loved the latin rhythms of Ann Of Cleeves especially but there also the beautiful melodies apparent on Catherine Of Aragon, Catherine Howard and Anne Boleyn. Then we have the full frontal organ bombast of Cartherine Parr and the pipe organ majesty of Jane Seymour.
''Atmospheric 'tron, flute interludes, acoustic guitar, choir sounds, jazz-rockesque moments, classical-like brass sections, and even trippy-like sound segments. The melodies themselves are also quite appealing.'' You are not hearing any of this on Six Wives?!
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Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: October 27 2024 at 19:46
richardh wrote:
Starshiper wrote:
David_D wrote:
Starshiper wrote:
Not everyone shares this sentiment. I, for
one, have always preferred "No Earthly Connection" to "The Six Wives of
Henry VIII." |
Well, I more or less liked No Earthly Connection
upon its release, got it again in my collection in the mid-'90s, and it
has grown on me over the years, but I won't say that it's in general
considered as one of the greatest Prog classics.
| Isn't "No Earthly Connection" an album of crackers? You may look
for such cute proggy odds in vain on Wakeman's other solo records.
Atmospheric 'tron, flute interludes, acoustic guitar, choir sounds,
jazz-rockesque moments, classical-like brass sections, and even
trippy-like sound segments. The melodies themselves are also quite
appealing. An accusation of being vulgar in music has been, I imagine,
heard at times. However, who cares? The album is so lush that any
complaint would seem irrelevant. Personally, I am inclined to
consider "No Earthly Connection" to be nothing less a classic album than
"The Six Wives..." Furthermore, I believe that "No Earthly..." is his
best concept album. Compared to the funky "No Earthly...," "The Six
Wives of Henry VIII" seems to be a one-dimensional album, and not just
because of the "No Earthly Connection" original sleeve design. |
''One-dimensional'' is stretching an argument to a
breaking point. The music takes us to all sorts of places. Always loved
the latin rhythms of Ann Of Cleeves especially but there also the
beautiful melodies apparent on Catherine Of Aragon, Catherine Howard and
Anne Boleyn. Then we have the full frontal organ bombast of Cartherine
Parr and the pipe organ majesty of Jane Seymour.
''Atmospheric
'tron, flute interludes, acoustic guitar, choir sounds, jazz-rockesque
moments, classical-like brass sections, and even trippy-like sound
segments. The melodies themselves are also quite appealing.'' You are not hearing any of this on Six Wives?!
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terms of music, "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" could just as easily have
been dubbed "The Six Lakes," "The Six Isles," or "The Six Poplar
Trees," and frankly, it would make no difference whatsoever. Take Anne
of Cleves, for instance; that track has a rather funky vibe, yet history
paints King Henry's fourth wife as a rather melancholic figure. Do
any of these compositions truly capture the shambles and great
suffering of that historical epoch? In my humble opinion, they do not.
There's a distinct lack of musical themes. The basis of the music is
rather straightforward chord progressions underpinning repetitive groovy
jams, peppered with an abundance of moments steeped in self-indulgent
noodling and a smattering of ostentatious bravado, all derived from one
or two motifs filched from classical compositions—certain pieces
shamelessly prancing about. "The Six Wives of Henry VIII"
trundles along without leaving much of a mark on my grey matter—unlike
the concept album that graced us three years later, namely "No Earthly
Connection," where everything I mentioned in the third sentence of my
previous post finds its rightful place and significance in the album's
musical themes.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 28 2024 at 06:59
If it should be of interest, The Six Wives is positioned at #161 on RYM's current Progressive Rock chart for the 1970s (with popularity weighting on 4), which is definitely underrated, as I see it.
( https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/1970s/g:progressive%2drock/pop:4/5/ )
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