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Turkey (weWink) won today against Georgia. Our first 2 goals were among the bests of the tournament so far. I specially liked Arda Güler's goal (which was the second) better.

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Defensively we are very flawed. Watching the first half of the match between Portugal and Czechia... The Portuguese offensive power looks formidable for our punily organised defensive strategies. Yet, I believe we could beat Czechia... We shall see.
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Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

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Defensively we are very flawed. Watching the first half of the match between Portugal and Czechia... The Portuguese offensive power looks formidable for our punily organised defensive strategies. Yet, I believe we could beat Czechia... We shall see.

Hi,

Considering the stone wall that Czechia erected they really did a number on Portugal, specially when you look at the numbers ... insane, that Portugal could not break through earlier, although I imagine that things were perhaps a bit too telegraphed that the ball was gonna go to just one person. But if he scores once or twice, the game would likely open up a lot.

If Turkey watches the Czechia game with Portugal, they will likely try to do the same thing, which I am of the opinion that you will see something different and likely more fluid, to see if Portugal can score and then they can unleash Ronaldo some more safely. But I'm not sure that Turkey will be easy ... I bet the game ends in a tie with Portugal, which might be the fairest of results. At that point Portugal has to unload on Georgia to make sure they can get on top of the group. 


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Turkey-Georgia was super entertaining, well done both. Albania-Croatia was fun as well. Even though Czechia traditionally is one of my favourite teams, it was good that Portugal won, because the Czechs were too destructive. The Germans play a very nice ball as long as nobody disturbs them seriously, which may happen in the quarter final. Very good tournament up to now. 
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England and Denmark are tied right now ... I think that is how they will end up and then progress. Harry Kane scored, btw.
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Based on today's performance, Spain should win the tournament. And England can be happy if they reach the quarter final.
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England lack any real leadership. Score and then sit back. I was happy with the draw,and that's so depressing!
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I think Gareth Southgate should have resigned after the last World Cup, and even maybe after the Euro 2021 final against Italy! That 'success' was despite him being the England manager, not because of.

He totally lost it for me when he said yesterday that he didn't have a replacement for Kalvin Phillips! LOL
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France-The Netherlands (the first 0/0 of the tournament) was poor and disapointing
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Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

France-The Netherlands (the first 0/0 of the tournament) was poor and disapointing

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I kinda thought they played to not lose, and both of them should move along to the next level ... they should win their last games.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

France-The Netherlands (the first 0/0 of the tournament) was poor and disapointing


Hi,

I kinda thought they played to not lose, and both of them should move along to the next level ... they should win their last games.

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France was as clumsy as England had been in the Euro 2020 semi-finals against Denmark; their non-finishership was just ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

France was as clumsy as England had been in the Euro 2020 semi-finals against Denmark; their non-finishership was just ridiculous.

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And I bet it is going to cost them dearly! But France needed to sit Mbappe ... and give him a well deserved rest, at least mentally!

England has no excuse, except for this new version of Tan Hag ... just bizarre, the substitutions that Gareth made ... totally off kilter and he should have been fired right there ... I think he went for the surety of NOT LOSING ... with a stronger midfield and backline ... specially as the front line was not doing much and just waiting for the ball, and waiting for one of the forwards to make a mistake for doing something they are not exactly specialized on. 

I don't think that both teams have a chance against stronger competition, instead of the mid table teams they are facing.

Today/Saturday ... 22nd.

Georgia/Czechia ... should be a fun game. Likely the best of the day ... hope that it goes to 4-3, or 3-2 ... so that we can have fun watching it.

Turkey/Portugal ... I still think, for the last time, that if Ronaldo scores a bunch, they have a chance to move forward. The team that played Czechia was probably too skittish about losing "control" ... and with Ronaldo, you can not do "control" much ... this game has a serious 1-1. or 2-2 all over it since both teams will go through and they don't need to get any players hurt or tired.

Belgium/Romania ... who would ever thought that Romania was a game up on Belgium ... it would be interesting if Belgium really puts the foot down and runs with this one ... but I'm not sure that Romania's defense is that bad, and will allow 3 goals, for example. Belgium 2-1 maybe ... but a tie for Belgium would likely spell disaster in the campaign for them!


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Group A: I don't see Scotland winning against Hungary, and they may just both go out.
Group B: Tough... we remember Spain losing against Japan at the WC. I say the Italians will just snatch the one point they need (and then bye bye Croatia), but it may be a tight affair.
Group C: As disappointing as England were up to now, I think they will go through here, joined by Denmark based on performances seen up to now. Serbia may surprise but I give that event 30% max.
Group D: Austria will give the Dutch a good match and win a point, which should seal their place in the round of 16.
Group E: Sorry Ukraine but Belgium is too strong, and the goal difference is already ruined. That means rank 4. Romania and Slovakia may draw and go both through; the Romanians know already that this will be enough for them.
Group F: I believe the Czechs can still make it, sorry for Turkey, who may end up with 3 points in 3rd place and maybe the last team to qualify for the Round of 16. 
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Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

The Portuguese offensive power looks formidable for our punily organised defensive strategies. Yet, I believe we could beat Czechia... We shall see.


And my prediction has come true... concerning both the matches! Cool
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Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

The Portuguese offensive power looks formidable for our punily organised defensive strategies. Yet, I believe we could beat Czechia... We shall see.


And my prediction has come true... concerning both the matches! Cool
Yeah, I got that one wrong (even though I thought Turkey would qualify anyway). I don't think Portugal would've lost had they still needed something from that game though. That's the thing with groups, to some teams there are no incentives anymore in the last game. (Oh, I think you were talking about Portugal-Turkey earlier so forget that remark. Cool)

And how happy are you with Turkey's performance? I thought the Czechs caused Turkey all kinds of trouble with 10 against 11 and the ref didn't exactly help their cause...


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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

The Portuguese offensive power looks formidable for our punily organised defensive strategies. Yet, I believe we could beat Czechia... We shall see.


And my prediction has come true... concerning both the matches! Cool
Yeah, I got that one wrong (even though I thought Turkey would qualify anyway). I don't think Portugal would've lost had they still needed something from that game though. That's the thing with groups, to some teams there are no incentives anymore in the last game. (Oh, I think you were talking about Portugal-Turkey earlier so forget that remark. Cool)

And how happy are you with Turkey's performance? I thought the Czechs caused Turkey all kinds of trouble with 10 against 11 and the ref didn't exactly help their cause...

The referee was terrible. Though, both the yellow cards that resulted in a red card were correct.

In the first half, Turkey played extremely inanely. The 4-6-0 formation could work, but not in a way that we utilised it: a nonsensical play swarming with fruitless passes... In the second half, we played a lot better.

Now we will play with Austria... and our possible prospective rival in the quarter-finals will be either the Netherlands or Romania, provided that we could proceed. That means, if we improve our game, we could see the semi-finals! So, no France, Spain etc. till the semis. Edit: As I interpret the table, we can only confront England or Italy among the "super powerful" teams till the final match, who seem less frightening than the other giants coming from the other side of the chart.

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I don't think Portugal would've lost had they still needed something from that game though. That's the thing with groups, to some teams there are no incentives anymore in the last game. (Oh, I think you were talking about Portugal-Turkey earlier so forget that remark. Cool)
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I'm thinking that Portugal played to make sure no one got hurt or in trouble ... they still got some yellow cards, but with no Fernandes in, probably for a rest, the ball was not being distributed up front.

I'm thinking that Portugal made a serious mistake ... and that they might be hoping that Ronaldo saves them from embarrassment ... but I think that folks are not realizing that he is not playing lower level teams that can't mark a statue ... and here he is getting double teamed and harassed badly. 

But not getting the ball and expecting him to play a #9 and hold the ball? Unless he gets lucky and plunks one or two of those in the net, he would, otherwise, be done. I don't mind him there, but I think that the long line of ships sailing around the world with old captains is long gone, and Ronaldo, my friend, you have had your ... everything ... and not being able to contribute in the last games of his life, should not be something to get upset about.

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

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Edit: As I interpret the table, we can only confront England or Italy among the "super powerful" teams till the final match, who seem less frightening than the other giants coming from the other side of the chart.

I doubt England will go much further ... their forwards are not getting the ball until too late, and they should not have played Foden in any of the games, since he was (not obvious>?????) not exactly mentally ready. No one is immune to some things in life ... and his not being home with the lady, would be inexcusable, and a waste of a choice for the first 2 games.


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Yeah, at first sight the two sides of the bracket look extremely uneven but of course if France and Belgium don't manage to win their groups, they don't deserve better. With Italy, England, Netherlands there are still some big names in the Turkish half. None of these convinced in the groups but looking at their history you can expect at least one or two of them to pick themselves up and do better in the knockout phase. Austria and Switzerland can be dark horses; both well organised quality squads. Turkey may reach the semis but also a semi Austria-Switzerland seems absolutely possible (looking at the performances in the group only I'd even say these are the best two in the bracket half) and would be as big a thing as having Turkey in it. 

Up to now Spain look head and shoulders above anyone else (Germany not yet really tested and I kind of expect that they go out against Spain in the quarters regardless of whether they show rather disappointing or great football until then). But it's football and much can happen. I can imagine Portugal in the semis, too.



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^ Sure; good analysis, BTW.

Austria is more likely to win against Turkey, for certain. Yet, this is still is a lucky match up for Turkey. Our winning the tournament would be sort of miraculous, a possible Turkey in the finals would be somewhat remarkable; yet our seeing the semis wouldn't be a big surprise, methinks.
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