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Topic: UEFA EURO 2024
Posted By: Archisorcerus
Subject: UEFA EURO 2024
Date Posted: June 14 2024 at 14:07
It has commenced!

I'll be supporting Turkey, first and foremost. We are not in an ideal condition/situation, sadly. Yet, we are not that bad either.

Then, I'll secondarily be supporting Italy and Demmark; and also Romania, Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia.

The teams/countries that I wish bad luck are Spain and France. Evil Smile

Today's match, which is the opener, is Germany vs. Scotland. Its second half is about to begin.

Hope it will be a good competition!





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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 14 2024 at 15:38
Very very weak showing of Scotland. Not so sure the Germans are as strong as the result says, but of course can't criticise them for winning 5-1. 

German living in Italy, supporting these two, Czech Republic & Croatia for no particular reason, and whoever shows something that I really like. 

Traditionally against Netherlands, England and France, but I like Spain when they're in good form.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 14 2024 at 15:43
Scotland were dreadful, I'll be rooting for England until they get knocked out on penalties in the quarter finals. I treat every other game as a neutral and just enjoy the festival of footie.

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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: June 15 2024 at 02:46
I'm supporting England until they get knocked out on penalties in the round of 16. Wink


Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 09:24
We've seen some really really great strikes/goals so far...

My only dismay has been Croatia's defeat against Spain.

Today, I'll primarily be supporting Denmark, and then Serbia. 


Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 11:56
I usually support the team with the most Leicester City players in it... which these days are fewer than used to be the case..

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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 13:16
Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

We are not in an ideal condition/situation, sadly.
From what I've heard, geographically, Turkey is really vulnerable for extreme earthquakes that are hard to forecast.

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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 13:43
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

We are not in an ideal condition/situation, sadly.
From what I've heard, geographically, Turkey is really vulnerable for extreme earthquakes that are hard to forecast.

If this was a joke, it is not funny. Not in an offensive way, but really uninteresting type of joke for me. Embarrassed

If you're serious, I didn't mean such a thing as the context here has nothing to do with eartquakes. Shocked

Forecasting earthquakes is all beyond me, by the way. LOL


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 17:47
Spain, Germany or France will win I think.


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 18:12
Netherlands were pretty good. England and Italy got the job done. Both can probably show more than what we've seen yet. Not really sure about the Germans yet, Scotland were too weak (Albania, Serbia, Poland were much stronger). Spain are a contender for sure. 


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 18:37
Fair assessment, let's see what France look like

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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 18:49
Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

We are not in an ideal condition/situation, sadly.
From what I've heard, geographically, Turkey is really vulnerable for extreme earthquakes that are hard to forecast.


If this was a joke, it is not funny. Not in an offensive way, but really uninteresting type of joke for me. Embarrassed

If you're serious, I didn't mean such a thing as the context here has nothing to do with eartquakes. Shocked

Forecasting earthquakes is all beyond me, by the way. LOL
Ohhhh I'm sorry if you took it as a snark or a joke, man! Heck, I unironically thought that the reason Turkey was voted out to be the host of Euro 2024 was the difficult geographical conditions. :( I'm so sorry. How fricking foolish of me. Wow. That's another level of embarrassment. :_:

So, can you explain to my ignorant mind, what you meant by "not in an ideal condition/situation"? :) And perhaps shed some light on to why Turkey was eventually decided not to be the UEFA Euro 2024 host?

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 16 2024 at 20:58
Hi,

I'm just getting bummed out ... I do have a chance to watch some extended highlights if they are posted on the Internet, but many are not, or in one case, it was rudely interrupted by foreign advertising in an arab language (I think it was that!) ... that looked not only rude, but malicious.

I miss the old days, in Brasil, when you could hear all the games on the radio and you could appreciate the artistry of the folks announcing (really miss folks like Vin Scully that could make a movie ... out of the whole thing!) ... which gave the game so much color ... you can't find a radio station doing this on soccer games, because their TV contract won't allow it so they can manipulate the money better. 

In the end, they are hurting the game in the areas further out than the big cities ... in Brasil we were in two small towns, and you knew who all were in the team, and you certainly knew Coutinho, Pele and Pepe! Here in America, it is more ... who gives a fudge since you and I are too stupid to spend a fortune on some of the TV things ... and some of those subscriptions are ridiculous! 

Favorite? None really, although it would be nice to see Cristiano Ronaldo go crazy and score 11 times, and the team make it very far, if not all the way ... but I don't know this will happen ... I think the days of one player going crazy are gone ... I remember a Soccer Cup when one team decided how to stop Pele ... easy ... you kick him in the ankles until he is down, and Brasil did not make it to the semis! The rules have changed since ... a lot ... but the TV controls bother me ... but the TV folks are gonna say that they are paying for that privilege, and paying a lot ... !

Bothers me not who wins or loses ... I would like to see the less industrial controlled countries have a bigger chance than otherwise ... I think I'm tired of the same 4 or 5 teams in the semis and want some fresh name in there.


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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: June 17 2024 at 02:08
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

We are not in an ideal condition/situation, sadly.
From what I've heard, geographically, Turkey is really vulnerable for extreme earthquakes that are hard to forecast.


If this was a joke, it is not funny. Not in an offensive way, but really uninteresting type of joke for me. Embarrassed

If you're serious, I didn't mean such a thing as the context here has nothing to do with eartquakes. Shocked

Forecasting earthquakes is all beyond me, by the way. LOL
Ohhhh I'm sorry if you took it as a snark or a joke, man! Heck, I unironically thought that the reason Turkey was voted out to be the host of Euro 2024 was the difficult geographical conditions. :( I'm so sorry. How fricking foolish of me. Wow. That's another level of embarrassment. :_:

So, can you explain to my ignorant mind, what you meant by "not in an ideal condition/situation"? :) And perhaps shed some light on to why Turkey was eventually decided not to be the UEFA Euro 2024 host?

I wasn't offended actually. So no apology is needed. Smile

I just couldn't see the connection. When I said "we", I meant the Turkish national football team. You know, "We won the game." means "The Turkish national team won the game." in such a context. So you can guess know what I meant when I said "We are not in an ideal condition/situation." Tongue

Our sh*tty economy, obnoxious politics, or the earthquakes are totally different things. Otherwise, my statement would be an understatement and I would have said: "We are in a horrendious condition." Big smileLOL

I frankly don't know about or forgot about our hosting/non-hosting the UEFA Euro 2024. Yet, we are used to witness such things in here. So much things are going on in my country and one of the "unacceptable" ones could have caused it. Embarrassed


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 17 2024 at 03:05
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
Bothers me not who wins or loses ... I would like to see the less industrial controlled countries have a bigger chance than otherwise ... I think I'm tired of the same 4 or 5 teams in the semis and want some fresh name in there.
In the last five tournaments we had Denmark, Wales and Turkey in the semis and Greece winning it. Of course it's hard in Europe to find any country that wouldn't classify as "industrial controlled" in one way or another, but the Euros had their fair share of surprises.

Sorry that you don't have good conditions for watching it. Maybe any VPN is available to you that allows you to connect from all kinds of countries to watch their local TV on the net?


Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: June 17 2024 at 08:16
Romania leads 2-0 against Ukraine, with two spectacular goals! Yayyyy!!!

And...

Here comes the 3rd Romania goal while I'm writing this! Cool


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 17 2024 at 08:48
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
Bothers me not who wins or loses ... I would like to see the less industrial controlled countries have a bigger chance than otherwise ... I think I'm tired of the same 4 or 5 teams in the semis and want some fresh name in there.
In the last five tournaments we had Denmark, Wales and Turkey in the semis and Greece winning it. Of course it's hard in Europe to find any country that wouldn't classify as "industrial controlled" in one way or another, but the Euros had their fair share of surprises.
...
Hi,

I might be confusing this with the World Cup ... and my apologies for that ... yeah, I remember when Greece won, and the first thing I said ... are you sure? 

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

...
Sorry that you don't have good conditions for watching it. Maybe any VPN is available to you that allows you to connect from all kinds of countries to watch their local TV on the net?

Hmmmm ... not sure what this is and I have to investigate more. But I do not think this is available i America, since it's not another country ... it's just a different state that is punishing the abortion pill, or stomping some kind of trump! Thx


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 17 2024 at 09:59
You can certainly change your location to the UK via a VPN and watch the UK feed.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 17 2024 at 10:49
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

You can certainly change your location to the UK via a VPN and watch the UK feed.

Hi,

Was not aware of that and am looking into it, but do not know where to start at this point ... checking with a close friend programmer first.


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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 17 2024 at 11:40
Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

Our shіtty economy, obnoxious politics, or the earthquakes are totally different things. Otherwise, my statement would be an understatement and I would have said: "We are in a horrendous condition."
I frankly don't know about or forgot about our hosting/non-hosting the UEFA Euro 2024. Yet, we are used to witness such things in here. So much things are going on in my country and one of the "unacceptable" ones could have caused it.
Haha. I know what you're talking about 'cause Turkish conservative politicians have often been compared to their Polish counterpart, on the grounds on how obnoxious they can be. I guess you gotta grin and bear it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I can only imagine how much of a PITA those earthquakes are, though.

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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 14:03
Turkey (weWink) won today against Georgia. Our first 2 goals were among the bests of the tournament so far. I specially liked Arda Güler's goal (which was the second) better.

Howbeit...

Defensively we are very flawed. Watching the first half of the match between Portugal and Czechia... The Portuguese offensive power looks formidable for our punily organised defensive strategies. Yet, I believe we could beat Czechia... We shall see.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 06:23
Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

...
Defensively we are very flawed. Watching the first half of the match between Portugal and Czechia... The Portuguese offensive power looks formidable for our punily organised defensive strategies. Yet, I believe we could beat Czechia... We shall see.

Hi,

Considering the stone wall that Czechia erected they really did a number on Portugal, specially when you look at the numbers ... insane, that Portugal could not break through earlier, although I imagine that things were perhaps a bit too telegraphed that the ball was gonna go to just one person. But if he scores once or twice, the game would likely open up a lot.

If Turkey watches the Czechia game with Portugal, they will likely try to do the same thing, which I am of the opinion that you will see something different and likely more fluid, to see if Portugal can score and then they can unleash Ronaldo some more safely. But I'm not sure that Turkey will be easy ... I bet the game ends in a tie with Portugal, which might be the fairest of results. At that point Portugal has to unload on Georgia to make sure they can get on top of the group. 


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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 15:35
Turkey-Georgia was super entertaining, well done both. Albania-Croatia was fun as well. Even though Czechia traditionally is one of my favourite teams, it was good that Portugal won, because the Czechs were too destructive. The Germans play a very nice ball as long as nobody disturbs them seriously, which may happen in the quarter final. Very good tournament up to now. 


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 10:45
Hi,

England and Denmark are tied right now ... I think that is how they will end up and then progress. Harry Kane scored, btw.


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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 15:30
Based on today's performance, Spain should win the tournament. And England can be happy if they reach the quarter final.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 22:28
England lack any real leadership. Score and then sit back. I was happy with the draw,and that's so depressing!


Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: June 21 2024 at 02:48
I think Gareth Southgate should have resigned after the last World Cup, and even maybe after the Euro 2021 final against Italy! That 'success' was despite him being the England manager, not because of.

He totally lost it for me when he said yesterday that he didn't have a replacement for Kalvin Phillips! LOL




Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: June 21 2024 at 18:58
France-The Netherlands (the first 0/0 of the tournament) was poor and disapointing


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 21 2024 at 20:59
Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

France-The Netherlands (the first 0/0 of the tournament) was poor and disapointing

Hi,

I kinda thought they played to not lose, and both of them should move along to the next level ... they should win their last games.


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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: June 22 2024 at 02:33
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

France-The Netherlands (the first 0/0 of the tournament) was poor and disapointing


Hi,

I kinda thought they played to not lose, and both of them should move along to the next level ... they should win their last games.

Agree


Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: June 22 2024 at 04:33
France was as clumsy as England had been in the Euro 2020 semi-finals against Denmark; their non-finishership was just ridiculous.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 22 2024 at 07:39
Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

France was as clumsy as England had been in the Euro 2020 semi-finals against Denmark; their non-finishership was just ridiculous.

Hi,

And I bet it is going to cost them dearly! But France needed to sit Mbappe ... and give him a well deserved rest, at least mentally!

England has no excuse, except for this new version of Tan Hag ... just bizarre, the substitutions that Gareth made ... totally off kilter and he should have been fired right there ... I think he went for the surety of NOT LOSING ... with a stronger midfield and backline ... specially as the front line was not doing much and just waiting for the ball, and waiting for one of the forwards to make a mistake for doing something they are not exactly specialized on. 

I don't think that both teams have a chance against stronger competition, instead of the mid table teams they are facing.

Today/Saturday ... 22nd.

Georgia/Czechia ... should be a fun game. Likely the best of the day ... hope that it goes to 4-3, or 3-2 ... so that we can have fun watching it.

Turkey/Portugal ... I still think, for the last time, that if Ronaldo scores a bunch, they have a chance to move forward. The team that played Czechia was probably too skittish about losing "control" ... and with Ronaldo, you can not do "control" much ... this game has a serious 1-1. or 2-2 all over it since both teams will go through and they don't need to get any players hurt or tired.

Belgium/Romania ... who would ever thought that Romania was a game up on Belgium ... it would be interesting if Belgium really puts the foot down and runs with this one ... but I'm not sure that Romania's defense is that bad, and will allow 3 goals, for example. Belgium 2-1 maybe ... but a tie for Belgium would likely spell disaster in the campaign for them!


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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 22 2024 at 18:15
Group A: I don't see Scotland winning against Hungary, and they may just both go out.
Group B: Tough... we remember Spain losing against Japan at the WC. I say the Italians will just snatch the one point they need (and then bye bye Croatia), but it may be a tight affair.
Group C: As disappointing as England were up to now, I think they will go through here, joined by Denmark based on performances seen up to now. Serbia may surprise but I give that event 30% max.
Group D: Austria will give the Dutch a good match and win a point, which should seal their place in the round of 16.
Group E: Sorry Ukraine but Belgium is too strong, and the goal difference is already ruined. That means rank 4. Romania and Slovakia may draw and go both through; the Romanians know already that this will be enough for them.
Group F: I believe the Czechs can still make it, sorry for Turkey, who may end up with 3 points in 3rd place and maybe the last team to qualify for the Round of 16. 


Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: June 25 2024 at 04:29
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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: June 26 2024 at 15:11
Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

The Portuguese offensive power looks formidable for our punily organised defensive strategies. Yet, I believe we could beat Czechia... We shall see.


And my prediction has come true... concerning both the matches! Cool


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 27 2024 at 03:41
Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

The Portuguese offensive power looks formidable for our punily organised defensive strategies. Yet, I believe we could beat Czechia... We shall see.


And my prediction has come true... concerning both the matches! Cool
Yeah, I got that one wrong (even though I thought Turkey would qualify anyway). I don't think Portugal would've lost had they still needed something from that game though. That's the thing with groups, to some teams there are no incentives anymore in the last game. (Oh, I think you were talking about Portugal-Turkey earlier so forget that remark. Cool)

And how happy are you with Turkey's performance? I thought the Czechs caused Turkey all kinds of trouble with 10 against 11 and the ref didn't exactly help their cause...


Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: June 27 2024 at 05:54
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

The Portuguese offensive power looks formidable for our punily organised defensive strategies. Yet, I believe we could beat Czechia... We shall see.


And my prediction has come true... concerning both the matches! Cool
Yeah, I got that one wrong (even though I thought Turkey would qualify anyway). I don't think Portugal would've lost had they still needed something from that game though. That's the thing with groups, to some teams there are no incentives anymore in the last game. (Oh, I think you were talking about Portugal-Turkey earlier so forget that remark. Cool)

And how happy are you with Turkey's performance? I thought the Czechs caused Turkey all kinds of trouble with 10 against 11 and the ref didn't exactly help their cause...

The referee was terrible. Though, both the yellow cards that resulted in a red card were correct.

In the first half, Turkey played extremely inanely. The 4-6-0 formation could work, but not in a way that we utilised it: a nonsensical play swarming with fruitless passes... In the second half, we played a lot better.

Now we will play with Austria... and our possible prospective rival in the quarter-finals will be either the Netherlands or Romania, provided that we could proceed. That means, if we improve our game, we could see the semi-finals! So, no France, Spain etc. till the semis. Edit: As I interpret the table, we can only confront England or Italy among the "super powerful" teams till the final match, who seem less frightening than the other giants coming from the other side of the chart.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 27 2024 at 06:54
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

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I don't think Portugal would've lost had they still needed something from that game though. That's the thing with groups, to some teams there are no incentives anymore in the last game. (Oh, I think you were talking about Portugal-Turkey earlier so forget that remark. Cool)
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Hi,

I'm thinking that Portugal played to make sure no one got hurt or in trouble ... they still got some yellow cards, but with no Fernandes in, probably for a rest, the ball was not being distributed up front.

I'm thinking that Portugal made a serious mistake ... and that they might be hoping that Ronaldo saves them from embarrassment ... but I think that folks are not realizing that he is not playing lower level teams that can't mark a statue ... and here he is getting double teamed and harassed badly. 

But not getting the ball and expecting him to play a #9 and hold the ball? Unless he gets lucky and plunks one or two of those in the net, he would, otherwise, be done. I don't mind him there, but I think that the long line of ships sailing around the world with old captains is long gone, and Ronaldo, my friend, you have had your ... everything ... and not being able to contribute in the last games of his life, should not be something to get upset about.

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

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Edit: As I interpret the table, we can only confront England or Italy among the "super powerful" teams till the final match, who seem less frightening than the other giants coming from the other side of the chart.

I doubt England will go much further ... their forwards are not getting the ball until too late, and they should not have played Foden in any of the games, since he was (not obvious>?????) not exactly mentally ready. No one is immune to some things in life ... and his not being home with the lady, would be inexcusable, and a waste of a choice for the first 2 games.


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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 27 2024 at 07:07
Yeah, at first sight the two sides of the bracket look extremely uneven but of course if France and Belgium don't manage to win their groups, they don't deserve better. With Italy, England, Netherlands there are still some big names in the Turkish half. None of these convinced in the groups but looking at their history you can expect at least one or two of them to pick themselves up and do better in the knockout phase. Austria and Switzerland can be dark horses; both well organised quality squads. Turkey may reach the semis but also a semi Austria-Switzerland seems absolutely possible (looking at the performances in the group only I'd even say these are the best two in the bracket half) and would be as big a thing as having Turkey in it. 

Up to now Spain look head and shoulders above anyone else (Germany not yet really tested and I kind of expect that they go out against Spain in the quarters regardless of whether they show rather disappointing or great football until then). But it's football and much can happen. I can imagine Portugal in the semis, too.



Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: June 27 2024 at 07:24
^ Sure; good analysis, BTW.

Austria is more likely to win against Turkey, for certain. Yet, this is still is a lucky match up for Turkey. Our winning the tournament would be sort of miraculous, a possible Turkey in the finals would be somewhat remarkable; yet our seeing the semis wouldn't be a big surprise, methinks.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 01 2024 at 11:24
England desperately poor again, somehow manage to survive and advance. It's torture to watch them.

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 02 2024 at 06:05
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

England desperately poor again, somehow manage to survive and advance. It's torture to watch them.

True, however there are some very funny videos on Twitter of England "fans" who had left the ground when we were 1-0 down and were desperately trying to get back into the ground when Bellingham scored.LOL


Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: July 02 2024 at 07:27
LOL


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 02 2024 at 08:43
Hi,

Romania - Netherlands
Tough one ... if this were the group stage I would say a tie, but in this one someone has to finish things up! I imagine Netherlands has the edge, by ... I have no idea, and really can not think what this game will be like.

Austria - Turkey
Hard to think that Turkey can beat Austria, but Turkey has been up there before and certainly can do so again. I imagine that Austria  is not going to be a pleasant dance partner here.

And the USA failure cup ... coaching afraid of taking on bigger teams will always suffer, and this has been the coach's stand, on only playing mid-level teams, so the team does not get to feel beaten and poor. Until this changes, and Kinsman was right on this part, I don't think the USA can beat a lot of folks and will continue being nothing but a mid-level who cares team. And having coaching that has no idea how to use their players is even worse. Like all they can do in their teams is not necessary or worth while in the National Team ... bring out the trash cans! Bring out the brooms! Bring out the bats. The USA will never get better until they change their small town attitude, and think their middle name is "David".

Good thing the USA does not have to qualify in the Concacaf this time ... because they would take a lot more beating than they think ... the USA still thinks many of the Concacaf teams are just USL teams ... and Panama just told you ... and lifted a finger with it!


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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: July 02 2024 at 15:08
We (Turkey) are in the quarters. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!! Star


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: July 02 2024 at 16:02
Congratulations! Your goalkeeper got you through in the very last minute. What a great save and what an entertaining game! Would've liked to see Austria in the quarters but now good luck to Turkey against the football arch-enemies of Germany!

All the quarterfinals are very interesting. Will Switzerland and England play as they did before so that Switzerland can win easily - or will England grow with the challenge? In Italy people are devastated for the treatment Italy got from Switzerland. 

I think people (not here but where I read elsewhere) are too negative about France and Portugal. This can be a cracking game. And of course the best team up to now, Spain, against (my) home team Germany. I don't have much hope there but of course anything can happen!


Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: July 02 2024 at 18:22
Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

We (Turkey) are in the quarters. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!! Star
Congrats! Turkey does what Polandn't, I guess. ;) Deep inside, I was rooting for Turkey all along. xD

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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: July 03 2024 at 00:24
Fantastic save by the Turkey goalkeeper at the end of the game. Smile


Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: July 03 2024 at 03:30
Thanks guys! Beer






Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 03 2024 at 06:18
Hi,

Here we go ... chew your gums time!

Spain/Germany -- Hard to deal with a lot of broadcasters suggesting that Spain's defense is primo and will likely close the game out and win the whole thing. I think that Germany is the perfect "troublemaker" to shake up Spain ... and I would not be surprised if the game ends up in penalties ... that would be a huge ouch and just a crap shoot. Let's throw the coins and see where they land?

Portugal/France -- Too much is being said about el turkey, but in the end, he is performing a function that we don't quite see ... he takes folks away from their job, and opens things up for his teammates. The scary part is if he, all of a sudden, hits the jackpot twice ... and at that point, I am not sure France can handle it well ... but a mad France is a tougher opponent. I do not want to see this game in the penalty shoot out ... that just seems so unlike what the soccer game was designed and made for. El turkey aside, France should win ... but again, if El turkey gets away and all of a sudden hits the jackpot, I think the game will be over at that point.

England/Switzerland --- England will be favored despite it not having done a lot in this tournament. Whoever gets to 3 scores first should win this game, and I don't think that Switzerland is just a stooge in England's way ...

Netherlands/Turkey --- It is likely that the winner of this game will be the dark horse in this tournament. Turkey has surprised folks before and likely can do it again ... they seem to enjoy not being picked to even do the gardening at the venue! Shame ... I think they will likely be far better than just another team in the pool. I think they can steal this game.


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 05 2024 at 07:05
Originally posted by Octopus II Octopus II wrote:

Fantastic save by the Turkey goalkeeper at the end of the game. Smile

Hi,

It's gonna be hard to beat a keeper saving the first 3 penalties on the shootout.

That's INSANE ... and something that we can't even get any idea of in our heads! Gives me that kind of thought, just like Richard Pryor used to joke about ... getting ripped and then on stage ... "my pr___" just got bigger! But saving three in one shootout? 

Where is that insanity pill? AND, we get to see El Turkey again! 

PS: 11:45 AM in the West Coast. Spain just defeated Germany 2-1 with a goal at the end in the 2nd overtime ... another minute and it would have gone to penalties!!!

PS: 5PM in the West Coast. Portugal lost in the penalty phase. El Turkey did score his penalty, but, there were no heroics on the penalties. I think that France was ready to make sure they handled their penalties.


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 06 2024 at 05:01
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

England desperately poor again, somehow manage to survive and advance. It's torture to watch them.

I'm missing the game tonight because I have a ticket to watch a string quartet play the songs of Muse. Not even making that up lol. It will be torture for sure (England not the string quartet Smile )


Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: July 06 2024 at 10:03
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

England desperately poor again, somehow manage to survive and advance. It's torture to watch them.


I'm missing the game tonight because I have a ticket to watch a string quartet play the songs of Muse. Not even making that up lol. It will be torture for sure (England not the string quartet Smile )


A wise choice! More reasonable than the Three Lions hope to score a strings of four goals !


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 06 2024 at 10:16
I think Spain vs. France will decide who wins the final.


Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: July 06 2024 at 11:03
England Swiss is a boring game..
...The Three Lions sleep tonight ....


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 06 2024 at 12:22
Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

Englag Swiss is a boring game..
...The Three Lions sleep tonight ....

Hi,

As of this minute 11:17AM PST ... they are tied halfway through the 2nd Half Extra Time. Harry Kane is probably out of legs ... just got replaced by Ivan Toney. Wow ... a substitution that is not a defensive move? Or just fresh legs for the shootout? A minute later Phil Foden must have been out of breath as well. Trent Alexander-Arnold ... probably more fresh legs!

Couple of minutes later ... penalties time!!! 

Weird that some folks are confident with the penalty shootouts ... so many teams end up in them! There has to be a better way that something that makes the game show some of the bad misses players make, or the great saves. Weird that the Portuguese keeper got 3 of them in one day, and none the next game when they needed one stop! I'm guessing that the French made sure they did not fool around and try cute stuff in the penalties!


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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: July 07 2024 at 00:17
Another nerve-shredding evening for England fans, and we have to go through it all again on Wednesday! Smile


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 07 2024 at 13:29
Hi,

I'm having a fit ... and withdrawal!!!!!Wink

No games on today! ... well, at least I don't get to watch more penalty shootouts ... those were really getting pathetic. And worse, teams playing for it by camping a wall so no one could score unless they were 5 miles out, without music!


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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: July 07 2024 at 16:19
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
PS: 11:45 AM in the West Coast. Spain just defeated Germany 2-1 with a goal at the end in the 2nd overtime ... another minute and it would have gone to penalties!!!
Or Fullkrug puts his header in one minute later. Germany is out but I'm fine with their performance. Spain best team up to now and the Germans were just as good in that match.

England are a torture to watch but they are extremely difficult to beat. They may well frustrate the Netherlands as well but there's no stopping France or Spain for them. And France are almost as boring as England. 

Turkey at least gave us some entertainment (as did Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria). But what do you think about Demiral's Grey Wolves (far right nationalist) salute and ban? 


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 08 2024 at 05:08
Might be a blessing if England lose on Wednesday. Spain will likely run us ragged and France out muscle us if we make the final. Will Southgate have the balls to drop Kane I wonder. Not holding my breath on that one.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 08 2024 at 06:56
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Spain will likely run us ragged and France out muscle us if we make the final. Will Southgate have the balls to drop Kane I wonder. Not holding my breath on that one.

Hi,

France has not played well since Mbappe got hurt, but I think the coach has put together a defensive plan to ensure that the other teams do not score a goal, if at all. The issue with this is that Mbappe is kinda wasted up front, and when he is used, he is almost alone and easier to mark. I think Spain is playing too well to not win this one, probably 1-0, or 2-0.

The England game I don't know that I want to even watch it ... I think that Harry Kane is hurt and is playing because he cares, but if he can no longer run hard and forward, he needs to be removed, although I might like to see him for a half ... because he has a knack for the ball in the end, that is very scary. The defense has been strong, and sadly, it makes for games that are difficult to watch and I hope that UEFA addresses that in the future ... the stonewalling in many the last games of the groups, and then the Quarters, is a sad statement about how the game is getting better. If England scores, I think the Netherlands could be in trouble, but I'm not sure they will be trying to break the stonewall by the English. Likely take their chances on penalties. But a lot depends on the English and if they can score first. I would not pick or bet on this game!


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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 08 2024 at 19:13
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Might be a blessing if England lose on Wednesday. Spain will likely run us ragged and France out muscle us if we make the final. Will Southgate have the balls to drop Kane I wonder. Not holding my breath on that one.

Not going to happen. He will never drop Kane. It took a lot of guts from him to drop Maguire from the squad. 


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 09 2024 at 10:54
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Might be a blessing if England lose on Wednesday. Spain will likely run us ragged and France out muscle us if we make the final. Will Southgate have the balls to drop Kane I wonder. Not holding my breath on that one.

Not going to happen. He will never drop Kane. It took a lot of guts from him to drop Maguire from the squad. 

It's either that or take a risk and go for a system where he gets more support. Kane wants to drop back when he should be trying to hold the ball up. When he played deep for Spurs at least they had Son running past him. Netherlands will not be that commital though although in Van Dyk they have a player who can run the game if he gets too much space to go into midfield. Expect another very cagey game. As a sideline I can't believe that UEFA have put a German referee in charge with a betting scandal behind him. It might end up being absolute chaos!


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 09 2024 at 18:12
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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It's either that or take a risk and go for a system where he gets more support. Kane wants to drop back when he should be trying to hold the ball up. When he played deep for Spurs at least they had Son running past him.
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Hi,

Kane up front playing the hold up is NOT his game, and my guess is that he is getting hit hard by the defense, and it slows him down. But if he is even "trying" to hold up, someone should be running up like Son did with the Spurs ... the folks sitting back and waiting to see what he does is bad ... he will have 2 or 3 defenders on him, and his ankles are going to be hurting by half time! 

Not sure at all if this is the issue or not ... but I don't see Kane as a hold up guy ... a poacher definitely ... but hold up?


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 10 2024 at 10:19
^ yep for sure and there in lies the problem. With the type of player England has in midfield, Ivan Toney provides a great focal point. It would be brave to start Toney though for such a game. Massive gamble and Southgate is not the gambling man.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 10 2024 at 12:29
HI,

There is a precedent for what I said about Harry Kane and his possibly being a hold up man ... by getting hit in his legs and ankles.

This happened many years ago when Czechoslovakia played Brazil and they were afraid that Pele would take over the game. And right away they started hammering him on his legs and ankles, and eventually he had to be subbed off right after the start of the 2nd half because his ankles were all swollen. And this was a World Cup game!

The rules, immediately went after that, however, with almost no TV at the time, only radio, the visual side of it was not very clear, but the majority of that strategy still survived for many years, and ... as another example ... Altidore of the American team, in the Premier League was used to ge a hold up man, and he ended up getting hurt a lot because of it. Nowadays, however, with broadcasters and the VAR calls, folks will get caught playing the kick your leg/ankle  thing, with one exception ... if you hit the ball first, then it is considered a fair challenge, and that might have to be addressed in the future.

But, in my book, any coach setting up a statue for punishment and bird poop, I doubt he/she will be around for long ... he will lose too many players to injury because of it. And you can't win without the players!

This is what made the Spain stuff a few years back so famous ... the passes were made BEFORE the defense was setup and always to the uneven side of the pitch, and this took away the statue of punishment play ... and teams that were physical were the ones that Pep feasted on the most for the longest time, until a coach could figure out how to play Pep's teams ... well, guess what ... he's still ahead of the curve with Manchester City!

I would love to see him do a World Cup team, either Spain, or someone else ... what is weird for me, is seeing coaches that were not good enough for the Premier League coaching teams in the World Cup ... I think that some teams just didn't know what they were doing or gave a darn about a coach ... specially an American!

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Kane up front playing the hold up is NOT his game, and my guess is that he is getting hit hard by the defense, and it slows him down. But if he is even "trying" to hold up, someone should be running up like Son did with the Spurs ... the folks sitting back and waiting to see what he does is bad ... he will have 2 or 3 defenders on him, and his ankles are going to be hurting by half time! 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 10 2024 at 12:37
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


...Will Southgate have the balls to drop Kane I wonder. Not holding my breath on that one.

Not going to happen. He will never drop Kane. It took a lot of guts from him to drop Maguire from the squad. 

Hi,

This game is sooooo uncertain for me ... I keep thinking 0-0 for 120 minutes and maybe a shootout. Or 1-1 .... I don't think that the Netherlands is going to sit back and wait for England to score ... it's more likely that England will play back and have the Netherlands try their luck, and get caught on a long run, with their defense too far up ... but I'm not sure that England is a good long ball team at all!

 ... but I still do not think it will matter ... this is one game I do not have a feel for at all ....


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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 10 2024 at 15:02
Watkins in the 90th minute! England into the final!

I see a Spanish victory though...


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 10 2024 at 20:33
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Watkins in the 90th minute! England into the final!

I see a Spanish victory though...

Hi,

It will be an interesting game for sure, but we know for sure that England can find a score ... and this might be the difference in it all ... 

I have to agree that Spain looks better all around, but some England individual "brilliance" as one broadcaster stated, might be enough to make a difference. But yeah .... I'm sure the oddsmakers will be thinking that Spain has already won this game ... but all of a sudden the English manager does things "right" ... and the team wins!


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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 11:03
England can't rely on a last minute goal or penalties all the time. OK they played mostly well against the Netherlands but really neither in this game we got the impression that they could control the game. Maybe it was just about deserved, maybe not, but if this is the best they can come up with, I don't see them as a danger for Spain. (I don't think the Dutch were among the best 5 teams of this tournament.) 

I remember many tournaments in which the best team won in the final against another team that somehow scraped through and nobody understood how (the Germans got some second places in this way). 

You've got to give to Southgate though that he has proved that it makes some sense what they do... at least that...

By the way the Americans have listened to you Pedro - Berhalter is out.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 11:07
England actually play well shocker. Still needed a great Jordan Pickford save and a very dodgy VAR decision to get England over the line. Still way too much space at times for the Netherlands to run into and if Spain are given that much room on Sunday we will be murdered. Luckily I no longer have to work Mondays so I can 'enjoy' the game and have a few beers!


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 11 2024 at 11:43
Hi,

I watched the highlights, and I thought it was cool. And that Watkins goal was outstanding. The penalty ... the rules need to get cleaned up more, but as stated, that would be a penalty and VAR was right, though many didn't like it, but the players, ALL OF THEM, are aware of the rules and how they can come into force, so a player taking what appeared to be a shot at the player, is going to get a closer look ... I just am not a fan of the game turning over a 50/50 foul ... but too many players on defense and midfield play for that these days.

Can they beat Spain? ... I'll throw the Tarot, then go to the Golden Nothing and check the Oracles, and then send a prayer to the moon, and then ... look at a beer (I can't drink!) ... and then take a gulf of iced tea, or water. Maybe I'll find a result in that ... weirdness!

PS aside: Berhalter needed to go ... and Klinsmann made the point on his comments ... he wanted the team to do more Copa Americas and difficult tournaments, so the players would get "tougher". Berhalter only wanted to play the mid-table level teams, probably because he (obviously) did not think his team had enough of guts and gumption to go learn from the better teams ... I kept saying all these years, do a tour of European teams every year with tough games ... but it never really happened. You can't get better if you do not have a tougher opponent to learn from. I'm only surprised that Uruguay only played for 1-0 ... and I think they were being "NICE" and "GENEROUS" the whole game, knowing damn well they could score whenever they wanted. That all aside, the next coach, is not going to be a great one ... I doubt the USA can get Klopp or Tuchel. And the folks running the game are the problem, and they will end up selecting a home person ... and then say that the luck of the draw for the better managers available was not "there". Both Klopp and Tuchel will want more control than the US soccer turkeys at the top don't want to give up or away. 


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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 14 2024 at 17:55
The best team won and I applaud them for beating 4 former World Cup winners in route to the Euro 2024 title!

I'm sorry for England, but they were second best for most of the match. 


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 14 2024 at 18:08
Agreed but still pissed off

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 14 2024 at 21:22
Kane should have been taken off at half time. As usual Southgate was behind the curve. After Watkins and Palmer came on it was a different game and then it got very interesting. Spain dominated possession generally but struggled to break down a very well organised England. I agree they were the better team overall and the 2-1 was a result I expected. England can take heart that in Bellingham, Foden and Palmer we have a trio of outstanding creative talent that few can match. We need to harness this in the next few years and hopefully find a coach who can fully exploit their potential. England are here to stay as a force in major competitions.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 17 2024 at 07:22
Following the resignation of Southgate, I would gladly take Eddie Howe. Very tactically adept and someone who is able to manage top players. Not sure about Graham Potter, failed to get to grips with Chelsea although Pochettino (another candidate) didn't do much better there either. We can dream of Klopp or Guardiola. Unlikely but might be worth the gamble of putting Lee Carsley in charge for a year and then seeing how the ground lies. Pep will just about be done at Man City by then but I suspect he will have his eyes on the Spanish job. Likewise Klopp is more likely to be the German choice once he finishes his sabbatical.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 17 2024 at 09:10
Eddie earns double what Southgate did and the club has a huge release clause the FA would have to pay.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 18 2024 at 07:05
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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 Still way too much space at times for the Netherlands to run into and if Spain are given that much room on Sunday we will be murdered. Luckily I no longer have to work Mondays so I can 'enjoy' the game and have a few beers!

Hi,

This was visible against Spain as well ... I think that the strategy from England was to clutter the middle of the field to prevent passes to an open area ... but Spain used the open spaces really well ... 

What is interesting is that this Spanish team is likely the same one that is going to the WC ... and I would think they are, already, the favorites. Brazil has lost its ability to stay together and organize to make themselves better ... the continuing saga of the fights over the manager, is the most boring movie ever! And then, the media upset that the coach wants to make use of the other 9 players on the pitch, instead of just one!

No wonder they ... stink, these days.

Colombia, will be interesting ... we'll see how they do in the WC trials for South America. I think Argentina is not going to be #2 this time, probably #4 or #5 in the region and still make it wo the WC, but not sure they will go very far without some of the great players they have had. Venezuela, is wanting to make it to the WC for the first time, and they might just squeeze in ... should be an interesting zone to keep track of which will tell us how strong the teams really were at Copa America.


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 18 2024 at 07:12
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Following the resignation of Southgate, I would gladly take Eddie Howe. Very tactically adept and someone who is able to manage top players. Not sure about Graham Potter, failed to get to grips with Chelsea although Pochettino (another candidate) didn't do much better there either. We can dream of Klopp or Guardiola.

Hi,

There was a cartoon, by an Australian guy that was very with it ... he had several folks talking while laying down on the ground camping. At they all had a blurb on them about their dreams. And all of them, had the usual requests ... except one. On the edge was a very skinny, and likely hungry guy and he goes ... "I dream of chicken".

What you want, what you need, and what you get, are 3 very different things and ideas.

The bigger issue in England, like the one in America, is deciding to turn left, or turn right ... here they know they have to be able to stay with European and South American teams, but they don't want someone from the "outside" and will endup with another MLS retread ... hoping for something that is not there, and it won't be there. Unless you play in Europe, a lot, an American team with Berhalter or a MLS coach is always going to look bad ... I'm not sure that England would ever pick a 2nd level or minor coach for the job, although I think they need something new and something that they don't have and need. We, as a MLS coaching turkey, do not have the tactical acumen to make things better, and we can't improve those on the chalkboard, or our minds ... we have to go there, and learn it step by step ... which the USA is not willing to do, otherwise they would have given Berhalter more games in Europe, which, btw, would likely get him removed sooner than the way it happened. Again, we don't get it!

Guts!

I'm of the opinion that MLS still has about 20 years to get better, however, I'm not sure they understand or give a darn about getting bigger or better with small time stadia. Heck, there are teams in the leagues below the English Championship that have bigger stadia! I kinda think that the league has this idea that the commercial side will gain more traction than the numbers at the door. 

Oh well ... so much wondering and thinking ... I need an aspirin!


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