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micky 
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 Posted: November 10 2019 at 11:47 |
yeah.. we may not have got them all.. but a good general rule.. if more than 10 people would recognize it.. it has likely has already been considered here.
to say nothing of the whole Prog Related thing.. it is the East St. Louis, South central LA, SE DC of prog archives.. we try to ignore it exists on this site and stay the f**k away from it. The only worse handled aspect of this site would be its twin cousin for capricious ill considered f**kery would be the Proto Prog section. 
we have had some doozers for suggestions though so they have had their entertainment values.. to say nothing of those which did get added and proceed to instigate gunfights at high noon on main street... probably the only time in any kind of time and space fluxes or alterations of reality that I've seen Raff shoot people down and laugh as she hawked a luggie into their puddle of blood...
Edited by micky - November 10 2019 at 11:49
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 10 2019 at 11:55 |
 micky wrote:
yeah.. we may not have got them all.. but a good general rule.. if more than 10 people would recognize it.. it has likely has already been considered here.
to say nothing of the whole Prog Related thing.. it is the East St. Louis, South central LA, SE DC of prog archives.. we try to ignore it exists on this site and stay the f**k away from it. The only worse handled aspect of this site would be its twin cousin for capricious ill considered f**kery would be the Proto Prog section.
we have had some doozers for suggestions though so they have had their entertainment values.. to say nothing of those which did get added and proceed to instigate gunfights at high noon on main street... probably the only time in any kind of time and space fluxes or alterations of reality that I've seen Raff shoot people down and laugh as she hawked a luggie into their puddle of blood...
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I think the gist of your message is that PA members do take their music VERY seriously indeed here, just as I discovered when I posted my recent Neo-Prog poll. 
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micky
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Posted: November 10 2019 at 12:04 |
hah.. you could say that... granted we have had a few psychopaths on the site that enjoyed blood and violence for their own sake  but no one... not even jazz fan.. can get their panties twisted twighter than prog fan.. especially when purity.. or the lack thereof is called in play in terms of addtions.
they were the glory days of the site ..
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SteveG
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Posted: November 10 2019 at 12:04 |
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Quinino wrote:
I guess she's a similar case as Sandy Denny - much loved indeed (and not only for her work with Strawbs, FC, Fotheringay) but not sufficiently under our scope.
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I've been criticised for not adding any artists to Prog Archives - even though I'd barely been here one month at the time - but every artist I've suggested for inclusion so far has been rejected.  To be honest, I can't see how Annie Haslam could possibly NOT be included in ProgArchives. To call a versatile classically-trained singer such as Annie Haslam an MOR artist, or middle-of-the-road Pop artist, is a bit of an insult to her.  |
Paul, if you cant tell the difference between MOR, AOR and Prog, then perhaps you should educate yourself to those musical genres. It would save you from being frustrated when suggesting some artists for inclusion in PA in the future.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: November 10 2019 at 12:05 |
micky wrote:
hah.. you could say that... granted we have had a few psychopaths on the site that enjoyed blood and violence for their own sake   but no one... not even jazz fan.. can get their panties twisted twighter than prog fan.. especially when purity.. or the lack thereof is called in play in terms of addtions.
they were the glory days of the site .. |
Oh I'm not so sure, I don't think we have a Wynton Marsalis on this site.
Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - November 10 2019 at 12:06
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Ian
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micky
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Posted: November 10 2019 at 12:11 |
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yeah I've come to realize over the years that jazz fan is a strange beast.. perhaps even more than 'prog fan'
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 10 2019 at 16:16 |
Annie Haslam has to be one of the greatest female Symphonic Prog singers who's ever lived and it beggars belief that anyone would snobbishly dismiss her as being a Middle of the Road (or MOR) Pop singer who's not worthy of inclusion in ProgArchives. It's not me who needs to get educated if that's the prevailing attitude here. 
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Cristi
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Posted: November 10 2019 at 16:25 |
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Annie Haslam has to be one of the greatest female Symphonic Prog singers who's ever lived and it beggars belief that anyone would snobbishly dismiss her as being a Middle of the Road (or MOR) Pop singer who's not worthy of inclusion in ProgArchives. It's not me who needs to get educated if that's the prevailing attitude here. |
OMG please stop. Nobody is saying that Annie is not great. Nobody has ever denied her talent and greatness.
If I was to be nit-picking, which genre are you suggesting this artist for? Which team needs to look into this artist?
I would not be surprised if someone told me she had beed suggested before and rejected. That is not a sign of disrespect to the artist. Collabs maybe did not think she is progressive enough. Lots of other bands get rejected, no one gets upset, I don't know why you are.
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Raff
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Posted: November 10 2019 at 16:34 |
Many prog artists have had solo careers that had very little to do with prog. There's nothing wrong with that. Case in point: Phil Collins. He's been suggested many times, and every time he was rejected. That does not mean his music is bad - just that it doesn't fit with the main purpose of the site.
Please stop with this attitude. We all have had our suggestions rejected at some point, and we're still here. Calling us uneducated or snobbish is not going to further your cause.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: November 10 2019 at 17:31 |
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Annie Haslam has to be one of the greatest female Symphonic Prog singers who's ever lived and it beggars belief that anyone would snobbishly dismiss her as being a Middle of the Road (or MOR) Pop singer who's not worthy of inclusion in ProgArchives. It's not me who needs to get educated if that's the prevailing attitude here. |
You are clearly trolling now to try and keep stoking the fire to get a reaction, I suggest you step it down a couple of notches to try and regain credibility.
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Ian
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: November 10 2019 at 18:55 |
Raff wrote:
Many prog artists have had solo careers that had very little to do with prog. There's nothing wrong with that. Case in point: Phil Collins. He's been suggested many times, and every time he was rejected. That does not mean his music is bad - just that it doesn't fit with the main purpose of the site.
Please stop with this attitude. We all have had our suggestions rejected at some point, and we're still here. Calling us uneducated or snobbish is not going to further your cause.
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I think that's where the prog related category comes in. Both Annie Haslam and Phil Collins deserve to at least be in the prog related category imo(especially if Kate Bush and Tori Amos are in here as full on prog. ;) ).
I agree that there's no need for name calling. This is progarchives after all and not some other less sophisticated prog website.
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - November 10 2019 at 18:58
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Tapfret
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Posted: November 10 2019 at 22:51 |
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^sorry, but Phil Collins went full Darth Vader on prog. Everything about his solo work served to glob Whiteout on his progressive past. The sub-genre system refers to the body of work under the name in question, not an artists resumé and employment history.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 11 2019 at 01:27 |
I was referring to SteveG's dismissive and insulting comments earlier, not PA members collectively. It seems bizarre and unfair to me that Annie Haslam is considered not worthy of inclusion in PA when Kate Bush and Tori Amos are both included here, and just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean they're "trolling". That's a pathetic argument.
Edited by Psychedelic Paul - November 11 2019 at 01:41
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Cristi
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Posted: November 11 2019 at 01:41 |
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I was referring to SteveG's dismissive comments earlier, not PA members collectively. It seems bizarre and unfair to me that Annie Haslam is considered not worthy of inclusion in PA when Kate Bush and Tori Amos are both included here, and just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean they're "trolling". That's a pathetic argument.
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I will tell you again, since I see you are not paying attention. You never are specific which team needs to evaluate the artists you suggest. So who is to look into Annie for evaluation? Crossover? Symphonic? Who?
And again stop making the argument if X is here, so should be Y... Worst reason.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 11 2019 at 01:55 |
Annie Haslam could be considered for inclusion as either Prog-Related, Crossover Prog or Symphonic Prog. I'll leave that for the relevant PA team members to decide between them. I don't want to get into a pointless argument about which category of prog Annie Haslam belongs in.  Annie Haslam's prog credentials are far stronger than those of Kate Bush or Tori Amos in my opinion. Anyone who dismisses Annie Haslam as an "MOR Pop singer", as SteveG did earlier, clearly doesn't know much about music, so if anyone needs an education here, it's SteveG. |
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Cristi
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Posted: November 11 2019 at 02:04 |
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Annie Haslam could be considered for inclusion as either Prog-Related, Crossover Prog or Symphonic Prog. I'll leave that for the relevant PA team members to decide between them. I don't want to get into a pointless argument about which category of prog Annie Haslam belongs in. |
you have already started the argument...
So you want three teams to look at Annie? This has never happened. Sometimes an artist gets moved for evaluation to another team, but what you want does not happen.
I would not suggest a band if I did not know specifically for what genre to be evaluated. And I can think of a few bands that could be here on PA but I don't know which genre they fit in.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: November 11 2019 at 02:11 |
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Maybe I'll just give up making suggestions for PA artist additions altogether and make it easier for everyone here, bearing in mind every suggestion I've offered so far has been rejected. |
Let me put it this way... let me get to your level for a second:
You can (or should) easily imagine
that since PA's debut in 2004, every member of a classic prog band that has
made a musical fart outside his/her band has been scrutinized to see if it was
a progressive flatulence or a regressive diarrhoea.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 11 2019 at 02:29 |
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Annie Haslam could be considered for inclusion as either Prog-Related, Crossover Prog or Symphonic Prog. I'll leave that for the relevant PA team members to decide between them. I don't want to get into a pointless argument about which category of prog Annie Haslam belongs in. |
you have already started the argument...
So you want three teams to look at Annie? This has never happened. Sometimes an artist gets moved for evaluation to another team, but what you want does not happen.
I would not suggest a band if I did not know specifically for what genre to be evaluated. And I can think of a few bands that could be here on PA but I don't know which genre they fit in.
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Okay, seeing as Tori Amos and Kate Bush are both listed on ProgArchives as Crossover Prog, then I would suggest that Annie Haslam be included in the Crossover Prog section too.
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Cristi
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Posted: November 11 2019 at 02:31 |
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Annie Haslam could be considered for inclusion as either Prog-Related, Crossover Prog or Symphonic Prog. I'll leave that for the relevant PA team members to decide between them. I don't want to get into a pointless argument about which category of prog Annie Haslam belongs in. |
you have already started the argument...
So you want three teams to look at Annie? This has never happened. Sometimes an artist gets moved for evaluation to another team, but what you want does not happen.
I would not suggest a band if I did not know specifically for what genre to be evaluated. And I can think of a few bands that could be here on PA but I don't know which genre they fit in.
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Okay, seeing as Tori Amos and Kate Bush are both listed on ProgArchives as Crossover Prog, then I would suggest that Annie Haslam be included in the Crossover Prog section too. |
can you edit the thread title and write Annie Haslam for Crossover Prog?
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 11 2019 at 02:41 |
^^ Sure! No problem.
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