.....and this is Annie's cover version of the Yessong "Turn of the Century"

 

those two covers do not help, she guested on tributed and on other artists albums, but how are her solo albums?

I'm gonna try and listen a bit.

 

 

Annie Haslam - Rockalise

 

I've been criticised for not adding any artists to Prog Archives - even though I'd barely been here one month at the time - but every artist I've suggested for inclusion so far has been rejected.

 

To be honest, I can't see how Annie Haslam could possibly NOT be included in ProgArchives. To call a versatile classically-trained singer such as  Annie Haslam an MOR artist, or middle-of-the-road Pop artist, is a bit of an insult to her.

I'm not saying Annie Haslam would find it insulting to be rejected from ProgArchives, but I think she WOULD find it insulting to be referred to as a MOR artist or Middle of the Road Pop artist in an earlier post.

hahahha.. that is worth a toastie..   no wonder we get along so well.  

anyhow..  Paul...  let me offer some advice. If it is a classic band, or artist.. you can bet your ass they are here if they merit it.. and if not.. they were rejected. We once had scores of people dedicated to additions.. filling out the database and there are not many we missed.

new additions these days are primarily the new bands.. we've picked over the oldies pretty damn well man. 

Thank you for clarifying that.  

to say nothing of the whole Prog Related thing.. it is the East St. Louis, South central LA, SE DC of prog archives.. we try to ignore it exists on this site and stay the f**k away from it.  The only worse handled aspect of this site would be its twin cousin for capricious ill considered  f**kery would be the Proto Prog section.  

we have had some doozers for suggestions though so they have had their entertainment values.. to say nothing of those which did get added and proceed to instigate gunfights at high noon on main street... probably the only time in any kind of time and space fluxes or alterations of reality that I've seen Raff shoot people down and laugh as she hawked a luggie into their puddle of blood...  

I think the gist of your message is that PA members do take their music VERY seriously indeed here, just as I discovered when I posted my recent Neo-Prog poll.

they were the glory days of the site .. 

micky wrote: hah..  you could say that...  granted we have had a few psychopaths on the site that enjoyed blood and violence for their own sake  but no one... not even jazz fan.. can get their panties twisted twighter than prog fan.. especially when purity..  or the lack thereof is called in play in terms of addtions. they were the glory days of the site ..

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Annie Haslam has to be one of the greatest female Symphonic Prog singers who's ever lived and it beggars belief that anyone would snobbishly dismiss her as being a Middle of the Road (or MOR) Pop singer who's not worthy of inclusion in ProgArchives. It's not me who needs to get educated if that's the prevailing attitude here.

OMG please stop. Nobody is saying that Annie is not great. Nobody has ever denied her talent and greatness.

If I was to be nit-picking, which genre are you suggesting this artist for? Which team needs to look into this artist?

I would not be surprised if someone told me she had beed suggested before and rejected. That is not a sign of disrespect to the artist. Collabs maybe did not think she is progressive enough. Lots of other bands get rejected, no one gets upset, I don't know why you are.

Many prog artists have had solo careers that had very little to do with prog. There's nothing wrong with that. Case in point: Phil Collins. He's been suggested many times, and every time he was rejected. That does not mean his music is bad - just that it doesn't fit with the main purpose of the site.

Please stop with this attitude. We all have had our suggestions rejected at some point, and we're still here. Calling us uneducated or snobbish is not going to further your cause.

You are clearly trolling now to try and keep stoking the fire to get a reaction, I suggest you step it down a couple of notches to try and regain credibility.

I think that's where the prog related category comes in. Both Annie Haslam and Phil Collins deserve to at least be in the prog related category imo(especially if Kate Bush and Tori Amos are in here as full on prog. ;) ).

I agree that there's no need for name calling. This is progarchives after all and not some other less sophisticated prog website. 

Psychedelic Paul wrote: I was referring to SteveG's dismissive comments earlier, not PA members collectively. It seems bizarre and unfair to me that Annie Haslam is considered not worthy of inclusion in PA when Kate Bush and Tori Amos are both included here, and just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean they're "trolling". That's a pathetic argument.

I will tell you again, since I see you are not paying attention. You never are specific which team needs to evaluate the artists you suggest. So who is to look into Annie for evaluation? Crossover? Symphonic? Who?

And again stop making the argument if X is here, so should be Y... Worst reason.

 

Anyone who dismisses Annie Haslam as an "MOR Pop singer", as SteveG did earlier, clearly doesn't know much about music, so if anyone needs an education here, it's SteveG. 

you have already started the argument...

So you want three teams to look at Annie? This has never happened. Sometimes an artist gets moved for evaluation to another team, but what you want does not happen.

I would not suggest a band if I did not know specifically for what genre to be evaluated. And I can think of a few bands that could be here on PA but I don't know which genre they fit in.

 

Let me put it this way... let me get to your level for a second:

 

 

can you edit the thread title and write Annie Haslam for Crossover Prog?

She wasn't rejected. It seems no one followed up on the suggestions. Things were quite different at the time in terms of the way evaluations of possible Prog-Related additions were carried out. Personally, I would be in favour of the Xover Team evaluating Annie.

However, what I am NOT in favour of is bringing up Kate Bush and Tori Amos. The old, tired "If X is here, why not Y?" is not how we go about evaluations. And anyone who's familiar with Kate Bush's output would not deny the strong progressive elements in her music, especially in albums such as The Dreaming or Hounds of Love. MOR is one thing she definitely is not.

I'm getting used to my suggestions being rejected so I won't take it personally.

You're not going to drive me off the prog forums.

quoting people's signatures? wtf?!

I guess humor is not your strong suit

how do you know?

I'm not American

that's the idea

You could be from England too for all I know, although I suspect you're from Eastern Europe.

you suspect? how dare you!

Okay, let me put it another way: I have good reason to think you might be from Eastern Europe.

good reason? do tell.

I don't remember that. And I am happy I don't have to mention where i am from, simply because sooner or later someone will misjudge someone else based on where one is from, which is not ok (to put it nicely). It's happened to me, not on PA, but still... If music brought us here, let's stick to that.

My sister-in-law is from Eastern Europe, so I wouldn't judge you for being from Eastern Europe, or from anywhere else for that matter. You could be from Timbuktu, or from the wilds of Borneo, or the vineyards of Bordeaux, Eskimo, Arapaho, or even Outer Mongolia for all I know, or maybe even  the deserts of Sudan, And the gardens of Japan, or from Milan to Yucatan,  but it makes no difference to me. - "Hit me with your rhythm stick."

It would be a favourable judgement 

yes, you can

ans it's not a cat, it's my cat, or better said I'm her human.  Or something... 

that is one of the many wonders of the smallest feline

haha..  I do and it is a very favorable one. Cats rule.. dogs and people are made for each.. to be ruled haha.

and let me take a private compliment and reiterate it..   I never knew you were a non native as it were till you told me.  f**k man.. I think your English is better than mine 

Anyway, would you please let me know her "most progressive" album?

porn? For losers.. but that is some porn even the Big Mick can dig...

 

Thanks. Here's another sample song from Annie Haslam's first album.....

 

I think she was rejected around 2009. I remember because it was my suggestion. Personally I don't think I'd suggest her again today. 

Annie's a "Woman Transcending" MOR Pop.

 

Annie Haslam's "Still Life" album is labelled as Symphonic Rock on Wikipedia, and it sounds like Symphonic Rock to me too, not MOR Pop.

^ well, it's clear that Paul doesn't grasp the criteria of what constitutes prog for a site like this. It would save everybody a bunch of time if this was clearly understood otherwise, sorry man, you're suggestions are just gonna get shot down time and time again

Read this until you can repeat it word for word in yer sleep

By the way:

 micky wrote:

Hehe - I think totally differently, but time will show how many more pearls are left 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks!  That's the point I've been trying to make all along.

This is a true representation of Annie's solo output, and as she herself has said, it's is not prog rock. Again, you have ears, make up your own mind or listen to the entire albums on Youtube and then decide. The MOR will remain as long as you care to listen.

Now, I'm going to listen to some KC and forget all about these songs for today.

 

The only thing you've convinced me of is that you know precious little about music if that's your offhand attitude towards Annie Haslam - one of the greatest female Prog-Rock singers of all time!

So then why post them if they aren't progressive? Just to show us how non prog she was? I was just telling you what she was listed as in wikipedia. Anyone could pull out a few songs from a few albums and say they weren't progressive just because of a few songs. Geesh. I could put up more fool me and I know what I like and say selling england wasn't prog or wonderous stories and going for the one and say GFTO wasn't prog. I don't think wikipedia would list her as progressive rock if they didn't feel that way. I don't always agree with them but heck I don't always agree with PA either.

Actually, Nat King Cole first made that song a hit.  It was written by Eden Ahbez.  And I absolutely LOVE this LP of Annie's and that song is one of the highlights for me.

I have Nat King Cole's version of "Nature Boy" on CD too, although I wasn't sure if many PA members would be old enough to remember it.

 

No, I'm calling myself old.  I was five years old when Nat King Cole died and I was born the same year as Buddy Holly and Billie Holiday died.

I am pretty hard to offend.  Life is easier that way.

I never would have guessed you were older than I am.

And to be fair, these posts are not aimed at you and other members but to the PA contributors who determine which artists are included in PA. I still have faith that they judge with their ears and not by what's written in dubious authorities like Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is clearly more knowledgeable about music than you are. They don't rudely dismiss Annie Haslam's wonderful Symphonic Rock as "Symphonic Schlock".

progaardvark wrote: Gee, I thought she was neo prog.

for god sake, don't stir the pot